Does the Catholic Church recognize the story of Noah and the flood as being literally true?

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StAnastasia said:
Are you comparing unborn babies with cancerous tumors?
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If the babies were going to continue the corruption they would have to be excised along with their parents… Say they had all had an inherited transmittable illness? What is so difficult to understand.

How do you know that the souls of all these people are not with God?
 
StAnastasia said:
Buffalo, it may be possible to articulate a theology in which God is pro-life even in killing innocent unborn babies. I haven’t yet found such a theology.
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It is Catholic theology. God as the creator has dominion over His created. He is free to take their bodies if He so wishes. From our perspective it looks distasteful. From God’s perspective maybe He did them a favor.
 
buffalo said:
If the babies were going to continue the corruption they would have to be excised along with their parents… Say they had all had an inherited transmittable illness? What is so difficult to understand.
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What is so difficult to understand is why you would abort a baby for having an inherited transmissible illness. I don’t believe God works that way.
 
buffalo said:
It is Catholic theology. God as the creator has dominion over His created. He is free to take their bodies if He so wishes. From our perspective it looks distasteful. From God’s perspective maybe He did them a favor.
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Buffalo, I’'m happy I don’t worship your God. He sounds more like Moloch than the loving Father of Jesus Christ.
 
StAnastasia said:
Buffalo, it may be possible to articulate a theology in which God is pro-life even in killing innocent unborn babies. I haven’t yet found such a theology.
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That is because you are still needing milk, and have not yes progressed to meat. In the Old Testament, there was no eternal damnation. The worst punishment meted out was death. It is feasible then to suggest, that at least some of those who died in the flood came to the conclusion of “Oh! Noah was right!” And at that very second had a conversion experience. In the Old Testament, many were killed, but there was no mention of the Lake of Fire, no “weeping and gnashing of teeth.” The judgments pronounced by Jesus against the wicked were much more severe. The judgments pronounced by Jesus were eternal, not temporal. Physical death is temporal.
 
StAnastasia said:
Buffalo, I’'m happy I don’t worship your God. He sounds more like Moloch than the loving Father of Jesus Christ.
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I posted several times an article about Muslims worshipping the same God of Abraham we do.

What the article pointed out very well was that their receiving mechanism was faulty. I believe that to be true for you too. You are imposing human standards and perspectives on God. Atheists do this to.

What this amounts to is a lack of faith and holding out on God. You are fashioning Him in your own image. That my friend is a big problem.
 
buffalo said:
And that is the strategy of the modernists.
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Whatever that means.Apparentlly anyone who isn’t a fundamentalist Catholic. See how easy it is to label someone and put them in a little box ?
Though the bible has to be taken as a whole each book is different and to suppose the etiological stories and Creation stories of Genesis are of the same literary style and language as Kings, or the Psalm or the Gospels is just silly.You can’t read each book in the same manner.Each style of writing has it’s own subleties and nuances.They came out of different historical periods-which means the how and why of literature would change with time.The Style of the pre Babylonian period would be different from exilic style( they were influenced by the Babylonians in exile. They even adopted the Babylonian calender as their own) As they where influenced by Hellenism and Roman ideas as we move through history.- so how on earth can you read all the books of the Bible in the same exact way-as if all the books are narratives? I don’t get it. The Holy Spirit did not dictate to the inspired writers nor did the Spirit use them as if they were souless automatons.
 
buffalo said:
What his amounts to is a lack of faith and holding out on God. You are fashioning Him in your own image. That my friend is a big problem.
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I thought you thought I was too modern! I don’t want a an abortionist God. I want a merciful God, a loving God, a Fatherly God.
 
I realize that I have never been a part of this thread, but my opinion is there are five greater stages of OT history that must have occurred in some sense historically:

I. Wickedness of Early man/ The Flood
II. Babel/ Confounding of Languages and establishment of Hebrew People
III. Egyptian Enslavement/Exodus and Kingdom of Israel
IV. Intermediate Jewish Apostasy from Old Cov/ Exile and Restoration to Holy Land
V. Maccabbean Struggles [OT Antichrist]/ First Coming of Christ

I argue in the following essays which I will link that these are minimal stages that cannot be reduced to mere fictitious parables, and that, in some sense, they are history, even if the first two above are allegorically represented

The Necessity of a Prefiguring Covenant [Judaism] prior to The Incarnate One
4marks.com/articles/details.html?article_id=4116

The Necessity of the Two Preeminent Ages [Flood, Babel] prior to the Establishment of the Prefiguring Covenant
4marks.com/articles/details.html?article_id=4176
 
juliamajor said:
You can’t read each book in the same manner.Each style of writing has it’s own subleties and nuances.They came out of different historical periods-which means the how and why of literature would change with time.
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Juliamajor, you are quite right. In my parish we read the creation and flood stories liturgically, and we teach them to the children as great symbolic stories. None of our parish kids are literalists yet, but they love hearing the stories read during the Easter Vigil.
 
StAnastasia said:
Buffalo, it may be possible to articulate a theology in which God is pro-life even in killing innocent unborn babies. I haven’t yet found such a theology.
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There are some Christian churches that do not take a stand on life. I personally would not want to stand before God and have Pro Choice on my ledger, to me it is one of the biggest sins in our world to commit, as the unborn have absolutely no way to fight back.

I am not saying I have not sinned, because I have multiple times, but murder and abortion are on another level.:eek:

Go with Gods Grace!
 
steve711 said:
I am not saying I have not sinned, because I have multiple times, but murder and abortion are on another level.:eek:Go with Gods Grace!
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That’s my problem with God flying off the handle and doing away with creation and all the animals, humans, and unborn babies.
 
StAnastasia said:
That’s my problem with God flying off the handle and doing away with creation and all the animals, humans, and unborn babies.
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In each and every case God gave them warnings and the people basically said - “up yours.”
 
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