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buffalo
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Does the Catholic Church recognize the story of Noah and the flood as being literally true?
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MonFrere
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nah … teleporting would take less faith and it would give us a “type” of the end time rapture.
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CWBetts
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A proper husband, being the spiritual head of the household, should have nothing to ask the wife. Do ignore textual context as well as cultural context?
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twinc
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Australia - what are you talking about - what about the isles of dogs - btw many water proof insects survived as also some eagles"for high above the storm the eagle soars" -twinc
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itinerant1
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I think you are on to something here. Good point!Maybe, that’s why God promised no more floods…He knew what it would become like, after that one
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Tamsulosin
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I do not understand why “ate, drunk and got married referred to bad things”.Our own nature require that we do so.It is a christian custom to get married as opposite to be or to have a concubine.
Was Jesus talking literally when He said those things?
No.I think He meant ate too much, drunk alcohol too much and engaged in illicit
love making.
For the same token, it is reasonable to try to consider how He meant the referrence to Noah’s ark.
Was Jesus talking literally when He said those things?
No.I think He meant ate too much, drunk alcohol too much and engaged in illicit
love making.
For the same token, it is reasonable to try to consider how He meant the referrence to Noah’s ark.
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itinerant1
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Where else but in the Bible can one learn about the greatest financier in the ancient near east? It was Noah, who was floating his stock while everyone else was in liquidation.
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donsnow
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Hey, buffalo!That got me thinking!Padre Pio could bi-locate. Perhaps the animals were able to. Can we rule it out?
Bi-locate? Um…let me see…well…I guess we better rule that out, it’s not in the CCC
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edwest2
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In Catholic school, Noah and a global flood were taught as a real event. I think the reference Jesus (as God) makes in the Bible confirms it. If God can create the Universe from nothing, or multiply a few loaves and fishes to feed 5000, He can certainly flood the world once.
Peace,
Ed
Peace,
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itinerant1
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The pursuit of legitimate and good things can be a problem if they are done in a disorderly manner, which includes valuing these things more than they should be valued, that is, if we pursue things in this life to the exclusion of love for God. God must have first priority in our lives over everything else.
The one thing the Gospels don’t mention, though, is that the people continually made fun of Noah by telling “knock, knock” jokes like this one:
Knock Knock
Who’s there !
Noah !
Noah who ?
Noah Body knows the trouble I’ve seen!
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donsnow
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Thanks, buffalo -
It’s surprising that all three model Arks of different hull designs tested as all three going broadside to the waves and riding them out.
It always pleases me to discover people researching the Ark.
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PJM
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BHelieving or not believing isn’t going to get one closer to hell. However, Haydocks Catholic Commentary seems to hold it a true, and at the same time full of Wisdom through methaphors.=rwillenborg;5949260]If so, how could that be? And please, not the ‘All things are possible through God’. If I’m to explain catholic theology to non-catholics, I’d better come better equipped than that.
And if not, on what basis is it considered allegorical and not true? Why would Noah’s story be false, and our original parents Adam and Eve be true?
How do you reconcile the similarities between the story of Noah and other ancient flood stories?
Any insight would be most helpful. Thanks!
I have in the past read various “scientific” studies that claim it as a distinct possibility.
Because ones salvation does not rest on belief, it might be well to learn and teach the methaphorical messages and allow each person to decide for themselves, on the reality of he “story?”
Everything in the Bible is true, BUT NOT necessarily FACTUAL. Such may be the case here?
Love and prayers,
Pat
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buffalo
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No, Ed He can’t. Flooding the world is much too difficult and as others posted unGodlike.
I think it is best to give up on this notion the Church taught and believed until the skeptics started mocking it. They are right you know. We need to quit believing in fairytales and grow up. Only ignorant, simple minded and un-educated people would not be able to see the obvious issues. Ed, you cannot continue on when all the geologists I know don’t because this is the consensus. And we now know the Bible is just a bunch of stories to keep you in line. Ed your ark is full of holes and is sinking. We the elite have decreed it because we are not simple minded, uneducated or ignorant. We have exerts who have written peer reviewed papers on this don’t ya know. Now that my friend is authority. It easily surpasses the authority you claim Revelation has. Science has ruled out God. We the science fascists are your god. Bow down now.
Ed this is the position you must now adopt.
And if you do not you will be expelled.
That is my best impression of, well, you all know who…
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itinerant1
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It was a matter of faith. In Mt. 17:20 Jesus said “…Amen, I say to you, if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.” Accordingly, Noah, being a man of deep faith said to Australia, “Move here”. And so Australia came to Noah, whereupon he loaded all of its marsupials aboard the Ark. Then Noah said to Australia, “Move there,” and the continent moved back the Indian Ocean. New Zealand, New Guinea, and Indonesia were pleased to see that Australia had been returned.
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juliamajor
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Ah, not in my catholic school nor my mom’s-she’s 90 my husband who is 60 never heard of the literal interpretation of Genesis until I started reading him the posts.He says it’s"fundamentalism" that’s creeped into the Church through American Evangelical culture which was dominant for the last 30 odd years.
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juliamajor
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While I weep for you let me play my teeny tiny violinNo, Ed He can’t. Flooding the world is much too difficult and as others posted unGodlike.
I think it is best to give up on this notion the Church taught and believed until the skeptics started mocking it. They are right you know. We need to quit believing in fairytales and grow up. Only ignorant, simple minded and un-educated people would not be able to see the obvious issues. Ed, you cannot continue on when all the geologists I know don’t because this is the consensus. And we now know the Bible is just a bunch of stories to keep you in line. Ed your ark is full of holes and is sinking. We the elite have decreed it because we are not simple minded, uneducated or ignorant. We have exerts who have written peer reviewed papers on this don’t ya know. Now that my friend is authority. It easily surpasses the authority you claim Revelation has. Science has ruled out God. We the science fascists are your god. Bow down now.
Ed this is the position you must now adopt.
http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=download&id=1013
And if you do not you will be expelled.
That is my best impression of, well, you all know who…
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edwest2
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Fundamentalism no longer means what it once did. There is nothing fundamentalist about accepting the work of God as described in the Bible. In fact, the following words have been appropriated by nonbelievers:
Reason: This is the highest false holy word. Rally for Reason appeared outside of the Creation Museum. If you go to their web site, you’ll see most of their sponsors and supporters don’t believe in God. Apparently, something vaguely terrible will occur if people go in and believe what they see there.
Reality: As defined by what some call science.
Science: This is the name of an idol for some.
Ignorant: You can be very educated but if you don’t accept what the majority of ‘scientists’ say then you must not understand. This is not true. This word now only means “you don’t agree with me.”
Fundamentalist: This means you don’t agree with me and are likely to harm others.
If American Evangelical Culture had been dominant over the last 30 years, we would not be seeing equal, or, in some cases, higher numbers of divorces between religious and non-religious. Each one of us can attach any label we want to ourselves but we actually need to follow the Commandments and practice virtue. God knows I’m not perfect, but too many have (A) decided to stop trying, and (B) have decided that living without God is the way to go. And what is the fruit if that?
I was taught authentic Church teaching.
Peace,
Ed
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edwest2
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Do… do you think if I get out of the small town I live in and move to the big city, my IQ will automatically go up?No, Ed He can’t. Flooding the world is much too difficult and as others posted unGodlike.
I think it is best to give up on this notion the Church taught and believed until the skeptics started mocking it. They are right you know. We need to quit believing in fairytales and grow up. Only ignorant, simple minded and un-educated people would not be able to see the obvious issues. Ed, you cannot continue on when all the geologists I know don’t because this is the consensus. And we now know the Bible is just a bunch of stories to keep you in line. Ed your ark is full of holes and is sinking. We the elite have decreed it because we are not simple minded, uneducated or ignorant. We have exerts who have written peer reviewed papers on this don’t ya know. Now that my friend is authority. It easily surpasses the authority you claim Revelation has. Science has ruled out God. We the science fascists are your god. Bow down now.
Ed this is the position you must now adopt.
http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=download&id=1013
And if you do not you will be expelled.
That is my best impression of, well, you all know who…
Peace,
Ed
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buffalo
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Only if it’s got a real big university with 100,000 working evolutionary biologists.
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MonFrere
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Since I’m the author of the “ungodlike” quote I’d like to comment. Flooding the world is certainly not too difficult for God. The problem is that IF He would have we would have a world not very much in need of an intervention of the order of Genesis 1 again (not that I believe that Genesis 1 was an “intervention”). The world’s ecosystem would be decimated. The whole earth would be essentially dead. I doubt there would be a tree survive the turbulence of the rushing waters. There would be no forests. The food chain need to be totally brought into existence. ALSO – I don’t know if any one has studied the nature of the extinction of a species but when populations reach a certain threshold extinction is all but eminent - minus the great and specialized care of zoologists. At least in the Genesis account you have God creating great masses of living creatures that fill the earth and sea and sky. Population control isn’t an issue here. But it sure is after a worldwide flood. Thus – this is why I say that a worldwide flood is “ungodlike”. For if there was a worldwide flood God would have to work against the “mother nature” that He created that cares for these things. Itinerant provided an excellent quote from Cardinal Newman on this point last evening. To my way of thinking God would have to act in an “ungodlike” manner after a worldwide catastrophe as a worldwide flood – it would be totally inconsistent with the order that He so marvelously created into “mother nature”. Not that he couldn’t - but then again, if God wanted He could cure every person of cancer NOW - He could solve world hunger NOW. He could solve every true environmental problem on our planet NOW – He could give every person a 160 IQ NOW – but just think of the ramifications of THAT with our fallen nature!! God isn’t the god of NOW – He’s the God of eternity and for Him to act in reaction to an immediate NOW in our space-time universe IMO seems “ungodlike”. Since God knows the end from the beginning why the need for micromanaging the universe? This makes no sense to me.
MonFrere
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