Does the Catholic Church recognize the story of Noah and the flood as being literally true?

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It’s what the Church teaches. See the Catechism, specifically para 105-108.

I am being honest.

It’s not simply the either/or you posit. What do you mean by “Scriptures are free from error”? That the universe was created in 6 literal (24 hour) days? That Methusaleh lived 969 years? That the sun stood still? That King Herod killed all those infants? That Jonah spent three days in the belly of a whale (large fish) and lived? If you say the Catholic Church requires Catholics to believe those as literally true then I disagree.

The truths in Scripture, as the teaching of the Church says, are those truths God wanted preserved there that are necessary for salvation. This does not mean Scripture contains biological, geographical, astronomical (as Galileo noted), etc. truths.
Then you do not agree with the Church. Without error means without error. A percieved error is usually at the fault of the reader. What you suggest shows that you have ni clue what the Church teaches on interpretation.
 
He’s drinking that Hater-ade. 😃
No, I’m not. Having grown up Lutheran, I am only looking at things from my perspective. I am totally open to the Catholic Church and it’s teachings. I’m trying to learn more, that’s why I’m on here. I understand we all get heated when discussions of this magnitude and passion arise, but hopefully we’re all here for the right reasons. I really don’t mean to offend anyone here, I’m in your house, just trying to learn more from my brothers and sisters in Christ.
 
No, I’m not. Having grown up Lutheran, I am only looking at things from my perspective. I am totally open to the Catholic Church and it’s teachings. I’m trying to learn more, that’s why I’m on here. I understand we all get heated when discussions of this magnitude and passion arise, but hopefully we’re all here for the right reasons. I really don’t mean to offend anyone here, I’m in your house, just trying to learn more from my brothers and sisters in Christ.
. . . it was just a joke . . . sorry if I upset you 😦
 
The accounts of a global flood are brought up here mainly by individuals who prefer what they call science to the Word of God. A scientist standing right next to Jesus would have no explanation for how He raised the dead, gave sight to the blind or cleansed the lepers. What would a scientist say about having a few loaves and fishes and then feeding 5000 people, and having leftovers? Anybody?

Right now, a lot of effort is being put into (A) explaining miracles in the Bible, and (B) saying that certain things in the Bible never actually happened. If God can create the universe literally out of nothing then He could flood the entire world. Yet, again, I have to remind everyone reading this: Jesus Christ died and told His disciples He would rise from the dead and He did. He ate with them. He told Thomas to put his fingers in his wounds because Thomas doubted.

When I was in Catholic school, I was never led to believe it was not literally true. But some here, then accuse me and a few others, of ‘fundamentalism,’ insisting that I interpret the work of God as symbolic. The Old Testament contains the account of Noah where God gives him specific instructions about building a physical boat. Jesus refers to ‘the days of Noe,’ in the New Testament.

Hope this helps,
Ed
 
The accounts of a global flood are brought up here mainly by individuals who prefer what they call science to the Word of God. A scientist standing right next to Jesus would have no explanation for how He raised the dead, gave sight to the blind or cleansed the lepers. What would a scientist say about having a few loaves and fishes and then feeding 5000 people, and having leftovers? Anybody?

Right now, a lot of effort is being put into (A) explaining miracles in the Bible, and (B) saying that certain things in the Bible never actually happened. If God can create the universe literally out of nothing then He could flood the entire world. Yet, again, I have to remind everyone reading this: Jesus Christ died and told His disciples He would rise from the dead and He did. He ate with them. He told Thomas to put his fingers in his wounds because Thomas doubted.

When I was in Catholic school, I was never led to believe it was not literally true. But some here, then accuse me and a few others, of ‘fundamentalism,’ insisting that I interpret the work of God as symbolic. The Old Testament contains the account of Noah where God gives him specific instructions about building a physical boat. Jesus refers to ‘the days of Noe,’ in the New Testament.

Hope this helps,
Ed
I had a similar reaction to certain individuals who claimed that certain OT texts were fiction or myth. I studied theology for five years. Hahn and Miravalle were among the doctors I was privileged to study under. And I never even heard this myth stuff brought up as a possibility.

Here is a fairly thorough treatment of the ‘myth’ concept in view of our Catholic heritage:

catholicintl.com/catholicissues/ciresi.htm

and here’s what the 2008 Synod of Bishops said about the matter:

“This [historical-critical] method is necessary by the very nature of the history of salvation, which is not mythology, but a true history with its apex in the incarnation of the Word, divine and eternal, who comes to dwell in men’s time (cf. John 1:14). The Bible and the history of salvation, therefore, also call for study with the methods of serious historical research.”

found here:

zenit.org/article-24497?l=english
 
Just for the record, I believe Holy Scripture will still be here, after Science is long gone.
That’s my two cents’ worth.

Don
 
Vatican II definitely taught inerrancy. See here:

catholicism.org/biblical-inerrancy.html
That link does not refer to Vatican II teaching, just someone’s opinion of it.

Let’s see…

The article you linked to claims:
There is a liberal view that limits inerrancy to those truths only which are for our salvation, allowing for Scriptural errors in the areas of science and history.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches (see 107):
“Since therefore all that the inspired authors or sacred writers affirm should be regarded as affirmed by the Holy Spirit, we must acknowledge that the books of Scripture firmly, faithfully, and without error teach that truth which God, for the sake of our salvation, wished to see confided to the Sacred Scriptures.”
Are both quotations compatible? If you read the article you linked to as coherent with the Catechism, fine. If not, try again?
 
Then you do not agree with the Church. Without error means without error. A percieved error is usually at the fault of the reader. What you suggest shows that you have ni clue what the Church teaches on interpretation.
Oh, thanks for correcting me, but I still don’t understand. How exactly and specifically do I not agree with the Church? If I mis-stated something I would be glad to clarify or be corrected. Thanks.
 
Oh, thanks for correcting me, but I still don’t understand. How exactly and specifically do I not agree with the Church? If I mis-stated something I would be glad to clarify or be corrected. Thanks.
You refuse to accept that the Scriptures are infallible.
 
You refuse to accept that the Scriptures are infallible.
I only refuse to accept that the Church uses that terminology in teaching about Scripture. Can you show anything in the Catechism or Vatican II that says otherwise?
 
That link does not refer to Vatican II teaching, just someone’s opinion of it.

Let’s see…

The article you linked to claims:

The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches (see 107):

Are both quotations compatible? If you read the article you linked to as coherent with the Catechism, fine. If not, try again?
The catechism does not limit inerrancy. The article is compatible with the catechism.
 
The catechism does not limit inerrancy. The article is compatible with the catechism.
I thought the article said it’s wrong to “limit inerrancy” to only the “truths of salvation.” But that seems exactly what the Catechism says. Did I misread?
 
Ostensibly, through an misunderstanding of a text which is ambiguous in it’s English translation:
107 The inspired books teach the truth. “Since therefore all that the inspired authors or sacred writers affirm should be regarded as affirmed by the Holy Spirit, we must acknowledge that the books of Scripture firmly, faithfully, and without error teach that truth which God, for the sake of our salvation, wished to see confided to the Sacred Scriptures.”<
Note that in the Latin the word “that” before “truth” (illam) is absent:*
107 Libri inspirati veritatem docent. « Cum ergo omne id, quod auctores inspirati seu hagiographi asserunt, retineri debeat assertum a Spiritu Sancto, inde Scripturae libri veritatem, quam Deus nostrae salutis causa Litteris sacris consignari voluit, firmiter, fideliter et sine errore docere profitendi sunt ».97<
The footnote to this paragraph clarifies that it references Dei Verbum paragraph 11:
(97) Concilium Vaticanum II, Const. dogm. Dei Verbum, 11: AAS 58 (1966) 823.<
Of course, this paragraph in Dei Verbum is also used to supported limited inerrancy, but again, the council fathers clarified their intent by the use of footnotes:
The Dogmatic Constitution of the Second Vatican Council on Divine Revelation (no. 11) states that “the books of Scripture, firmly, faithfully, and without error, teach that truth which God, for the sake of our salvation (“nostrae salutis causa”) wished to see confided to the sacred Scriptures” (Dei Verbum 11). The meaning of the words “for the sake of our salvation” was discussed by the Fathers of the Council, and, in order to give fuller assurance that these words in no way limited the inerrancy of Sacred Scripture to statements pertaining to its salvific purpose, they added footnotes referring to St. Augustine, St. Thomas Aquinas, the Council of Trent, the encyclical letter Providentissimus Deus of Pope Leo XII, and the encyclical letter Divino afflante Spiritu of Pope Pius XII. The reference to Providentissimus Deus declares that “it is absolutely wrong and forbidden either to narrow inspiration to certain parts only of Holy Scripture or to admit that the sacred writer has erred. As to the system of those who, in order to rid themselves of these difficulties, do not hesitate to concede that divine inspiration regards the things of faith and morals, and nothing beyond, because, as they wrongly think, in a question of the truth or falsehood of a passage, we should consider, not so much what God has said, as the reason and purpose which he had in mind in saying it – this system cannot be tolerated” (EB 124). Some say that this teaching of Pope Leo XIII was changed by Pope Pius XII, but the reference to Divino afflante Spiritu included in Dei Verbum by the Fathers of the Second Vatican Council restates the teaching of Pope Leo XIII in the following words: “The first and greatest care of Leo XIII was to set forth the teaching on the truth of the sacred Books and to defend it from attack. Hence, with grave words did he proclaim that there is no error whatsoever if the sacred writer, speaking of things of the physical order ‘went by what sensibly appeared,’ as the Angelic Doctor says, speaking either ‘in figurative language, or in terms which were commonly used at the time, and which in many instances are in daily use at this day, even among the most eminent men of science.’ For ‘the sacred writers, or to speak more accurately – the words are St. Augustine’s – the Holy Spirit, who spoke by them, did not intend to teach men these things of the universe – things in no way profitable to salvation’; which principle ‘will apply to cognate sciences, and especially to history,’ that is, by refuting, ‘in a somewhat similar way the fallacies of the adversaries and defending the historical truth of Sacred Scripture from their attacks.’ Nor is the sacred writer to be taxed with error, if ‘copyists have made mistakes in the text of the Bible,’ or, ‘if the real meaning of a passage remains ambiguous.’ Finally, it is absolutely wrong and forbidden ‘either to narrow inspiration to certain passages of Holy Scripture, or to admit that the sacred writer has erred,’ since divine inspiration ‘not only is essentially incompatible with error but excludes and rejects it as absolutely and necessarily as it is impossible that God Himself, the supreme Truth, can utter that which is not true. This is the ancient and constant faith of the Church” (Divino afflante Spiritu 4 – EB 539).4<
 
I only refuse to accept that the Church uses that terminology in teaching about Scripture. Can you show anything in the Catechism or Vatican II that says otherwise?
We have multiple times. And also, the Church is not limited to the catechism and Vatican II. Scriptural inerrancy has always been taught.
 
We have multiple times. And also, the Church is not limited to the catechism and Vatican II. Scriptural inerrancy has always been taught.
The sun and planets and all the stars revolve around the earth, then, I suppose.
 
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