Does the Catholic Church seem like She is becoming more Protestant-like?

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I think certain members of the Church may have made it seem as if the Church were falling to Protestantism, but the Church Herself? No. And the “Protestantizers” are slowly fading out of power. The long winter is slowly turning to spring.
 
The OP needs to define “Protestant-like.” In doctrine? Music? Father standing at the door shaking hands after Mass? What?
 
do we give awards for dumb polls?🤷

are you going to help us out a bit here? The Catholic Church is doing just fine tyvm and the gates of hell shall never prevail against her. are you speaking perhaps of things observed at local parishes that you don’t like?
 
I answered no. Of course, you would have to explain in what way is she “becoming more protestant”. You would also need to specify which communion under the broad, general, nonspecific heading of protestant you are referring to. For example, if she’s becoming more Lutheran, then she is not becoming more Pentecostal.

Jon
 
I think many people in the Church are becoming Protestantized. I’ve run into Catholic sources which support excusively wival submission, which is generally seen in fundamentallist Protestant circles. Many Catholics are also becoming secularized. There’s a church in my state in which poems and reflections written by non-Catholics stand in for the readings. I respect members of both circles, although I quite strongly disagree with them. But is the Church herself becoming Protestantized? I don’t believe the Church changes; only our perception of her.
 
do we give awards for dumb polls?🤷
I don’t think so, but you could ask the moderators to create one. Hopefully you’re the first to nominate me just like you’re always the first to criticize me. If you don’t like the thread, don’t post in it; is it that hard to understand? Oh but of course you always have to get your criticisms in.
 
TFK_Emery;8057360 There’s a church in my state in which poems and reflections written by non-Catholics stand in for the readings. [/QUOTE said:
Ar Mass, you mean? That’s not allowed. Report it to the Bishop.
 
I don’t think they’ll listen, if they’re even still in communion . . . to give you an idea, there are two priests at the church. They’re husband and wife. So, I’m not sure a visit from the bishop will do much good here ;). I actually do subscribe to their e-mail list, just like I visit uber-conservative sites. Can’t claim to be in the middle if you don’t know the extremes. Many of their reflections are interesting . . . just not (notnotnotnot) substitutes for the Bible. At all. But still interesting.
 
I think many people in the Church are becoming Protestantized. I’ve run into Catholic sources which support excusively wival submission, which is generally seen in fundamentallist Protestant circles.
This is true. Many “Catholics” are at heart Protestants:( and many “Protestants” actually think very Catholic:D. This would be a different thread though.
 
I’ll give a small example.

In the protestant, Campbellite church of my youth, baptisms were conducted by immersion. The church had a large baptismal pool (lined with copper, and surrounded by a low curtain, both of which facts fascinated me as a child), fairly deep (my chest at age seven), and the rite was accomplished by the pastor fully dunking the baptized person (never an infant, so no danger of choking, etc.) under the water and pulling him/her back up again. This is how I was baptized. The church I came from believed very strongly that baptism should be by immersion, ideally in running water (sometimes even outdoors). The pool itself was located in the front of the church, to the right of the pulpit.

When I became catholic, our church had a what I would more typically describe as a baptismal font - made out of stone, just over waist high, with a bowl on top maybe 2-1/2 to 3 feet across. Like the pool in the church of my youth, this font was located in the front-right side of the church.

In about 1998 our church had some renovations done and the baptismal font grew a pool. There is now the bowl (where my children were baptized), which has a lip on one side that allows water to flow into a large pool for baptizing adults. There are several steps that lead into the pool and the pool is lined with tiles and surrounded by granite. Water typically flows from the bowl to the pool (running water - via pump, I guess). Adults are not exactly dunked, but they do stand in the roughly knee-deep water (it is a little shallower than the one I remember as a kid) and water is poured over them from a pitcher.

My wife, who is from Poland and could be called a “cradle-catholic” I suppose, found the new pool to be very much an innovation. To me, the new pool looked very familiar, and reminded me of the one I knew in my youth.
 
The differences between Protestants and Catholics are profound.

The veneration for Mary and the belief in the Body, Soul and Divinity of the Eucharist are teachings that can not be blurred.

The adoration of the Blessed Sacrament is being embraced by more and more Catholics.

There are new cosmetic similarities. But that is all.
 
I spent 47 years as an evangelical Protestant, and like many Protestants, I visited many other Protestant churches over those years, not just evangelical denominations.

Almost everyone in my family is still Protestant.

And I still keep up with several Protestant magazines.

So I would say that I’m pretty knowledgeable about Protestantism and the practices. In fact, I would call myself a near-expert.

The Catholic Church is definitely NOT becoming more Protestant-like.

To most evangelical Protestants, even the most modern OF Mass is extremely ritualistic, ancient, old-fashioned, and very strange-looking. They would NOT call it “like Protestantism,” because it isn’t.

There is very little in the OF Mass that an evangelical Protestant would recognize. Some of the traditional hymns will be familiar to older evangelical Protestants (e.g., Holy God We Praise Thy Name). The Lord’s Prayer is familiar.

And that’s about it. Honest.

All that “modern” music that so many Catholics hate is never sung in evangelical Protestant churches. In their contemporary worship services, they sing Praise and Worship songs, which are often accompanied by either a track or a live band that is usually pretty good.

Some of the mainline Protestant churches hold worship services that are similiar to the Catholic Mass, but as HelenRose pointed out, there are significant differences. What I am seeing is that the mainline Protestant churches are looking more and more like evangelical churches.

I suspect that the OP has not been in a lot of Protestant churches, and perhaps is guessing that they are simliar to the to OF Mass. Absolutely not. IMO, OF Mass is to evangelical Protestant worship service as figure skating is to wrestling. They’re both sports, and that’s the only similiarity.
 
Most definite not. If anything the traditionalists are becoming more fundamentalist like.
 
I don’t claim to have a researched answer to this question, but here is what I have casually observed.
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Catholic churches and priests vary, and the priests are likely to influence the pattern. I have found that a number of priests I have known - sincere, dedicated men - are open to greater reform. They may want voluntary celibacy, for example. Some want women deaconesses. They often want the church to change its policy on birth control. 

 Some even doubt basic teachings of the church, even transubstantiation. They are Protestant in spirit - liberal Protestant, not fundamentalist. They feel kinship with those mainline Protestant clergy who - for example - are selective when it comes to the Bible. They have been influenced by 'higher criticism' and see some sacred Catholic traditions more as symbolic than true. Eucharistic adoration is one of these. This makes some priests uncomfortable and seems to them to be a retreat to an earlier era.

 In this area of the country several Protestant ministers were once priests. This is true both within liberal (mainline) Protestant churches and evangelical churches. I understand that ome of these churches are full of ex-Catholics, too.  

 What is even more evident to me is that many Catholics I know well have become Protestantized theologically, even though they may still attend mass faithfully. I believe a poll carried in *US Catholic* magazine found that the majority of Catholics don't believe in transubstantiation. Many question certain aspects of Mariology, and some reject confession. 

  There also is a more democratic attitude among laity toward local church government. The old idea that the priest is somehow above and over the parishioners has taken a hit, starting with Vatican II but accentuated in recent years by the sexual and other scandals. A couple priests in this area had been involved in major embezzlement. There is still considerable affection for priests, but with it more wariness than in the past. There also is some resentment because of the importation of foreign priests, some of whom have trouble with English. 

   As far as the Mass is concerned, the major changes growing out of Vatican II made the Mass more like a Protestant service. The service is in English, hymns are sung (many of them Protestant favorites), and there is more and more of a fellowship/friendship element during Mass. Elderly Protestants I know speak often of how much the Mass changed from their early years when it was so totally alien to them. Those were also the days when Catholics were warned to avoid so much as entering a Catholic church.

  The ecumenical movement has made a major difference among both Catholics and Protestants. This has slowed down from those early days after Vatican II.

  It should be noted that mainline denominations seem to have moved some toward more liturgy and suspicion of Catholicism has greatly diminished. A lifelong employee of Cokesbury, the Methodist supply company, said that what she had noticed most over her 50 years with that company was the increased demand for vestments. Mainline groups also tend to use the lectionary today, too, something that was not true among most of them a half century or so ago. At the same time, several mainline denominations have moved further away from Catholicism in their attitude toward gays and lesbians. The Episcopalians have elected gay bishops, the UCC, ELCA Lutherans and the Presbyterians voted to permit ordination of gays, etc. The Methodists still disallow this, mainly because they are strongest in the South and Midwest, more conservative than the coastal areas. 

  Interesting how that states in the Northeast - like MA, CT, and NY - where Catholicism is very strong - have led the way in permitting gay marriage. The main opposition has come from the GOP, which is mostly Protestant in these areas. The Democratic Party had traditonally been the political home of most Democrats hereabouts.. Any thoughts as to why???? It's as thought the church has lost its political clout among its own constituency.
. One final thought. I’ve heard that the younger priests are more conservative. Is this because the more liberal variety of young Catholic men simply don’t want to be priests? Seems that way.
 
Come on over to the Protestant side! The weather is nice and a heck of alot cooler!!
 
Come on over to the Protestant side! The weather is nice and a heck of alot cooler!!
Welcome to CAF.
Just a word to the wise, and a comment.

The first sentence sounds like proselytizing, which the forum expressly prohibits. I encourage you to read the forum rules.

I infer the “heck of a lot cooler” remark to mean Catholics are in jeopardy for their salvation, simply because they are Catholic. If this is **not **what you meant, please disregard the following. If this is what you meant, I reject it on two grounds: 1 - there is no scriptural basis for this claim, in fact the opposite is true. 2 - it is not our place to even speculate on the salvation of others.

Now, if this was intended as humor, a humor emoticon would help the reader understand this.

Jon
 
In regards to beliefs and teachings, Catholicism certainly is becoming more fundamentalist or traditional as of late. A lot of the Catholics who left and now attend my church were uncomfortable about some of the more recent teachings. Why they think that the LCMS would teach any differently in regards to morality is beyond me, but they probably just haven’t researched it enough yet.

I would not say that the Catholic church is becoming more Protestant, but rather that the American Catholic parishes are becoming more… American. The music tends to be trendier and more pop-like, the colors are brighter and less gloomy… the atmosphere has lightened up a lot. At the different churches I attend with my Catholic girlfriend, depending on which city we are in, the thing that strikes me the most would be the addition of the drum kit to the musician’s area. It’s becoming less and less about worship or contemplation and more and more about entertainment. I suppose you could say that the American churches are becoming more modern or trendy, but Protestant is a rather large term that doesn’t fit here.

Maybe the music will change a little bit with the upcoming changes to the liturgy this year.
 
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