Does the Catholic Church teach from the Bible?

[WendyDischler]

I agree with much you say. I see one red flag: “For Catholics, the Bible is not read in isolation from the teachings OF THE CHURCH…”

Catholics ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE CHURCH. Not supposed to be LEARNING FROM THE CHURCH. Are you seeing what I am getting at here? I am not trying to be argumentative. Perhaps this is merely “iron sharpens iron” that is supposed to clarify our thoughts. PLEASE RESPOND.<3+WENDY–THANKS

Catholics who claim not to read the Bible may be surprised by how much they actually know about the Word of God simply from hearing it proclaimed week after week during Sunday Mass.
Many of the other prayers used during the Liturgy can also be found in scripture. Scripture itself tells us God’s Word “will not be void.”

It is St. Jerome who said “Ignorance of scripture is ingnorance of God.” The more we read scripture, the more we come to know God and how it fits into the teachings of the Church.
For Catholics, the Bible is not read in isolation from the teachings of the Church under the guidance of the Holy Spirit (the Magisterium) and handed down through the generations as the Apostles received them (Tradition).

During the Liturgy of the Word,the first part of the Mass, Catholics hear one Old Testament selection each day along with the Gospel. On Sundays, we also hear a New Testament reading. We also pray one of the Psalms.

At a time when most people were illiterate, St. John of the Cross wrote how important it was for priests to read Scripture. In their proclamation of the Word, the congregation reads the priest.
The stories of Scripture, as well as the Saints, are the subject of stained glass windows that serve to educate people about the teachings of the Church.

 

[WendyDischler]

As Pope Benedict has said, the church is doing well only is smaller than most people realize [my paraphrase]…. Dead flesh surrounds much of it, is the way I recall his expressing it in what I READ. THAT is the hypocrisy.

Not all in the church are the church. And the others are not truly in even if they are sitting beside.<3+

It is difficult to tell which part of this is yours and which is not, so I am going to guess.

Of course the individual Spirit filled Christian believes that they are interpreting the Scripture with the mind of Chirst, and that they are doing as the Lord tells them. The problem is that the HS does not contradict Himself. Therefore, when modern bible Christians “interpret” the Scriptures to mean something opposite of what the HS has revealed to the Church, there is some other voice speaking.

What hypocrisy is that?

I do agree, that the Word of God does catapult the hearer into the arms of Christ. It sounds like you don’t believe that Jesus is connnected to His Body - that the Church has become Headless?

Amen! It is the duty of the Church to proclaim the Word, in season and out, because she is the pillar and the ground of the Truth.

I also did not learn how to read scripture when I was raised as a Catholic. I had such a hunger for the Word, I gravitated toward a Baptist community where I began to read the Bible myself. One of the reasons the Bible is difficult to read is because it is not like “any other book”. It is a library of books written by different authors over milennia. I agree with you, though, the HS inspires a great love and hunger for Scripture.

 

[WendyDischler]

TOO BAD ABOUT SKIPPING THE SCRIPTURES THAT SHOW THE CHARISM IS NOT ONLY FOR THE APOSTLES–YOU HAVE TO READ ALL OF IT. UP TO YOU…

LET ME JUST SAY: “WHEN MODERN BIBLE CHRISTIANS ‘INTERPRET’ THE SCRIPTURES TO MEAN SOMETHING OPPOSITE OF WHAT THE HOLY SPIRIT HAS REVEALED TO THE CHURCH, THERE IS SOME OTHER VOICE SPEAKING.” IS THE POINT OF MOST PROTESTANTS. BECAUSE THEY SEE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH…AS…DOING…JUST…THAT. CHRIST JESUS TOLD THE APOSTLES TO TEACH WHAT HE HAD COMMANDED THEM AND THEY SEE OPPOSITE THINGS TAKING PLACE. HE LEFT US HIS WORD TO SHOW WHAT HE TAUGHT AND WHAT THE APOSTLES TAUGHT AND THE SO-CALLED CHURCH DOES THE OPPOSITE.

The church is the pillar and ground of the truth–JESUS CHRIST–AND NOT THE TRUTH ITSELF. AND WHEN PROTESTANTS SEE THE OPPOSITE COMING OUT OF THE MOUTHS OF THOSE WHO HAVE THE SCRIPTURES PRESENTED TO THEM AND CHOOSE TO IGNORE THEM WHILE CLAIMING THE INFALLIBILITY OF THEIR OWN POSITION BECAUSE OF WHO THEY ARE THEN THEY SEE THEM QUITE CLEARLY LEAVING UNITY WITH JESUS CHRIST. THE POPE…IS INFALLIBLE IN VIEW OF HIS SEAT PROPHETICALLY AS THE HIGH-PRIEST IN THE TIME OF JESUS PROPHESIED EVEN THOUGH HE WAS EVIL, “…IT IS EXPEDIENT THAT ONE MAN DIE FOR THE PEOPLE AND THE WHOLE NATION PERISH NOT,” AND THAT IS NOT THE INFALLIBILITY…I MEAN.

THERE IS A MUDDINESS THAT HAS MOVED INTO THE WATERS…THAT MUST BE REMOVED. THIS IS THE JOB OF THE PROPHET. THE PROPHET IS OFTEN CALLED TO THE CHURCHES–AS WAS JEREMIAH. THE REMNANT WHO ARE AFTER TRUTH THEN RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. HE HOWEVER WAS CALLED A FALSE PROPHET AND AGAINST THE CHURCH. HE WAS AGAINST…THE…FALSE CHURCH. NOT THE TRUE CHURCH. JESUS PULLED THE TRUE CHURCH OUT OF THE FALSE CHURCH. <3+W–I EXPECT I AM NOT LONG FOR THIS BOARD AND SEE A PREVIOUSLY BANNED MEMBER OFFERING SOME OF THE BEST AND TRUEST AND MOST REASONABLE COMMENTS HERE WHILE NOT CLAIMING SUCH ACCOLADES FOR MYSELF BUT ONLY FOR THE WORDS OF THE LORD WHO SAID “THE PROMISE IS FOR ALL” “HANDMAIDS,” AS WELL AS THE GENTLEMEN QUOTED IN JOEL, AND NOT MERELY FOR THE APOSTLES; TRUTH…IS AT STAKE HERE AND NOT GLOSSED OVER WITH ‘I AGREE’ WITHOUT BACKUP OF THE SCRIPTURES YOUR CATHOLIC CHURCH PROFESSES; WHICH ONE OF US BELIEVES??

It is difficult to tell which part of this is yours and which is not, so I am going to guess.

Of course the individual Spirit filled Christian believes that they are interpreting the Scripture with the mind of Chirst, and that they are doing as the Lord tells them. The problem is that the HS does not contradict Himself. Therefore, when modern bible Christians “interpret” the Scriptures to mean something opposite of what the HS has revealed to the Church, there is some other voice speaking.

What hypocrisy is that?

I do agree, that the Word of God does catapult the hearer into the arms of Christ. It sounds like you don’t believe that Jesus is connnected to His Body - that the Church has become Headless?

Amen! It is the duty of the Church to proclaim the Word, in season and out, because she is the pillar and the ground of the Truth.

I also did not learn how to read scripture when I was raised as a Catholic. I had such a hunger for the Word, I gravitated toward a Baptist community where I began to read the Bible myself. One of the reasons the Bible is difficult to read is because it is not like “any other book”. It is a library of books written by different authors over milennia. I agree with you, though, the HS inspires a great love and hunger for Scripture.

 

[WendyDischler]

Agree–my understanding is that the Bible is covered over three years without covering every verse of all the books so that while one Might not be wielding the Sword of the Spirit the apostle asks us to which IS THE WORD OF GOD then at least one would be hearing much of it OR AT LEAST GETTING THE OPPORTUNITY. Since the WORD ITSELF is sharper than any two-edged sword then IT ITSELF IS DOING A WORK. Adding to what said then would be COMPLETING knowledge of the Scriptures; insofar as reading: this might seem easily accomplished–after all: it is only a certain number of books written by different authors however inspired by the same HOLY SPIRIT; however, what the Spirit has written requires THE SPIRIT to INTERPRET. THAT was the roadblock I had because IT TOOK THE HOLY SPIRIT to open my eyes to it–I have no difficulty with different authors or different books and in fact reading. That is a natural gift God–YAHWEH–has given to me. But it took the Spiritual. I find that until I was willing to do WHATEVER AND AGREE WITH GOD AND IN COMPLETE SUBMISSION TO HIM I was not graced to be Baptized by the Holy Spirit OF GOD, to speak with tongues so as to be heard in other languages and to have my mind opened to the Scripture. Now I Understand Those written by the apostles that seemed so foreign to me before while getting the gist of the words OF JESUS. I was where the disciples WERE AND WHERE IT IS IMPORTANT TO BE–yet my eyes were not yet opened AS THE EYES OF THE DISCIPLES WERE OPENED AFTER THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST LEADING TO THE EXPERIENCE OF THE “EARLY CHURCH-UNIVERSAL”… This is akin to the experience of prophets and is a fulfillment of Joel and also of the “prayer of Moses” that all should be as he, prophesying in the camp Numbers 11:29 (RECOVERY VERSION), “But Moses said to him, Are you jealous for my sake? Oh that all Jehovah’s people were prophets, that Jehovah would put His Spirit upon them!” WHICH IS NOT SURPRISING CONSIDERING THAT–American Standard Version–“Confess therefore your sins one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The supplication of a righteous man availeth much in its working.” Can all this be meaningless? OF COURSE. Obedience to the giving your body to be burned IS WORTHLESS without LOVE. 1 CORINTHIANS 13:2-3, “And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, I am nothing.” (KING JAMES BIBLE) I agree MASS IS A GOOD START. LOVE IS THE GOAL; THE WORDS OF JESUS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT.<3+

I’m sorry if this has been said i have not read the whole thread. but if you go to Mass every Sunday and Holiday like you are suppose to of the years cycle you will have heard ( and if you follow in the missal read) 13.5 % of the OT not including the Psalms add them and I would say added another 2 % and 71.5% of the NT. Now that said the Homily should in some way reflect those reading. Given the typical baptist service you will hear and read more of the bible at Mass than any baptist service. and this is just Sundays if you go to mass through the week you will increase these numbers. Now as far as known book chapter and verse it is true that protestants are normally better at knowing that info but to say they know the bible itself better is wrong. I can quote scripture even if I can not tell you the chapter and verse. Remember when they were written they were not broken up in chapter and verse. You want to know the Scripture go to Mass listen and read along in the missal and listen the the Homily. As for Sunday school, keep in mind that as you learn of the sacraments you are learning what is in scripture. and if you are being taught to do something and don’t know why ask.

 

[WendyDischler]

When The Lord made himself known to me, I was in my bed. I had been raised on the Gospels and internalized them. I wanted to follow the Golden Rule. The words of Jesus stuck by me even when I was assaulted with public-school education and new-age THINKING. But I had not been taught to defend myself. I had no sword–I had concepts but no Scripture to back me, and the WORD of God is POWERFUL. I had been taught CONCEPTS FROM THE WORD OF GOD without being told they were or SHOWN. So I did not know I had a LEG TO STAND ON. When LOGIC came my way, I was swayed despite myself. I did not recognize the Holy Spirit working. BECAUSE I THOUGHT LOGIC was the rule of faith then I discounted what were His promptings WITHOUT RECOGNIZING THEM. What I WANTED to do was right. I did not WANT to do the things I was being asked to do. I was asked to ARGUE AGAINST what in my spirit I WANTED THAT WAS THE HOLY SPIRIT. THE WORLD imposed its LOGIC on me, AND I FELL. I WAS NOT TRAINED. My people perish for lack of knowledge–Hosea 4:6 (New Living Translation ©2007), “My people are being destroyed because they don’t know me. Since you priests refuse to know me, I refuse to recognize you as my priests. Since you have forgotten the laws of your God, I will forget to bless your children.” WE MUST KNOW THE HOLY SPIRIT.<3+W–we must Listen to Jesus and his apostles and not one exclusive of the other and do as Jesus commanded, Ask and keep asking for the Holy Spirit who will bring us the TRUE teaching of Jesus; and I warn; YOU THEN will be able to teach as the apostles EXPECTED US TO AND SOME OF THE MOST VALUABLE SPEAKERS LIKE IANGE IN EXPRESSING THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL BE OFF ON CATHOLIC DOCTRINE AND WIDE OFF THE MARK AND ALSO NOT KNOW THE BIBLE AND THAT IS WHAT IT TAKES TO KEEP US ALL IN LINE WITH THAT LOVE THAT WILL ALLOW US TO CORRECT EACH OTHER AND NOT DESPISE EACH OTHER

Agree–my understanding is that the Bible is covered over three years without covering every verse of all the books so that while one Might not be wielding the Sword of the Spirit the apostle asks us to which IS THE WORD OF GOD then at least one would be hearing much of it OR AT LEAST GETTING THE OPPORTUNITY. Since the WORD ITSELF is sharper than any two-edged sword then IT ITSELF IS DOING A WORK. Adding to what said then would be COMPLETING knowledge of the Scriptures; insofar as reading: this might seem easily accomplished–after all: it is only a certain number of books written by different authors however inspired by the same HOLY SPIRIT; however, what the Spirit has written requires THE SPIRIT to INTERPRET. THAT was the roadblock I had because IT TOOK THE HOLY SPIRIT to open my eyes to it–I have no difficulty with different authors or different books and in fact reading. That is a natural gift God–YAHWEH–has given to me. But it took the Spiritual. I find that until I was willing to do WHATEVER AND AGREE WITH GOD AND IN COMPLETE SUBMISSION TO HIM I was not graced to be Baptized by the Holy Spirit OF GOD, to speak with tongues so as to be heard in other languages and to have my mind opened to the Scripture. Now I Understand Those written by the apostles that seemed so foreign to me before while getting the gist of the words OF JESUS. I was where the disciples WERE AND WHERE IT IS IMPORTANT TO BE–yet my eyes were not yet opened AS THE EYES OF THE DISCIPLES WERE OPENED AFTER THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST LEADING TO THE EXPERIENCE OF THE “EARLY CHURCH-UNIVERSAL”… This is akin to the experience of prophets and is a fulfillment of Joel and also of the “prayer of Moses” that all should be as he, prophesying in the camp Numbers 11:29 (RECOVERY VERSION), “But Moses said to him, Are you jealous for my sake? Oh that all Jehovah’s people were prophets, that Jehovah would put His Spirit upon them!” WHICH IS NOT SURPRISING CONSIDERING THAT–American Standard Version–“Confess therefore your sins one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The supplication of a righteous man availeth much in its working.” Can all this be meaningless? OF COURSE. Obedience to the giving your body to be burned IS WORTHLESS without LOVE. 1 CORINTHIANS 13:2-3, “And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, I am nothing.” (KING JAMES BIBLE) I agree MASS IS A GOOD START. LOVE IS THE GOAL; THE WORDS OF JESUS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT.<3+

 

[WendyDischler]

Do we submit to the Apostles Christ Jesus SENDS TODAY?? He did not send Paul through the twelve BUT ALONGSIDE THEM.<3+W

“We submit to this authority in the same way that the early Christians submitted to the teaching of the Apostles (see Acts 2:42).”

Bishop Fulton Sheen spoke eloquently about using the Bible only when trying to evangelize. Different religions have their own sacred books and make the same type of statements. Muslims believe Mohamed received the Koran directly from God’s hand, although he was illiterate. The reality is that the word did not drop out of the sky in written form. It came to us incarnate as man.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came to be through Him, and without Him nothing came to be. What came to be through Him was life, and this life was for the light of the human race; the light shines in the darkness and the darkness has not overcome it.
And the Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us, and we saw His glory, the glory of the Father’s only Son, full of grace and truth. (John 1:1-5,14)

One problem with merely looking at the written Word is that different people will read the same words differently, depending on how they emphasize different words within individual sentences. The Apostles spent three years with Jesus, learning directly from Him. What they learned is what Catholics mean when we speak about Tradition, not to be confused with tradition (customs). The Apostles left bishops as their successors, “handing over” to them the authority to teach in their place. This teaching authority is what we mean by the Magisterium. We submit to this authority in the same way that the early Christians submitted to the teaching of the Apostles (see Acts 2:42).
As we individually grow in our understanding of God’s Word, by the help of the Holy Spirit, the Church also develops in its understanding of Christ’s teachings. There is a depth to our Faith that can never be fathomed while the basic tenets are contained within the Apostles Creed.

 

[WendyDischler]

This Means There IS SOMETHING GOING ON OUTSIDE THE ‘MAGISTERIAM’ UNLESS ONE REDEFINES MAGISTERIUM.<3+WENDY MCCONNELL DISCHLER

Do we submit to the Apostles Christ Jesus SENDS TODAY?? He did not send Paul through the twelve BUT ALONGSIDE THEM.<3+W

“We submit to this authority in the same way that the early Christians submitted to the teaching of the Apostles (see Acts 2:42).”

 

[GaryTaylor]

This Means There IS SOMETHING GOING ON OUTSIDE THE ‘MAGISTERIAM’ UNLESS ONE REDEFINES MAGISTERIUM.<3+WENDY MCCONNELL DISCHLER

The Magisterium hasn’t claimed otherwise, very much the opposite through V-II. Were there any Apostles outside the Church Biblically? Paul may well have came later but he was very much involved with the others.

You typing is hard to follow, is that a constant?

 

[DebChris]

The Magisterium hasn’t claimed otherwise, very much the opposite through V-II. Were there any Apostles outside the Church Biblically? Paul may well have came later but he was very much involved with the others.

You typing is hard to follow, is that a constant?

Paul was very much involved with the Apostles. It is Ananias, a disciple, who laid hands on Paul to restore his sight. After that Paul is baptized. He is brought to the Apostles by Barnabas. The Lord Himself assures Ananias of Paul’s call to bring the gospel to the Gentiles. It is Barnabas who assures the Apostles of Paul’s legitimacy.
Paul warns against divisions in the Church (1 Cor) and expounds on the importance of unity within the Body of Christ. and lays out its hierachy in 1 Cor. 12.
As baptized members of the Body of Christ, each of us has been given apecial graces as God Himself chooses to give them. Each is given for the upbuilding of the Body of Christ.
In Acts 2, we find the first converts submitted themselves to the teachings of the Apostles. Are we called to do differently?

 

[PJM]

=smiddle;9353835]Before you jump at my throat, I know that this is where we get our dogmas, rules, etc. My question pertains more to Sunday school.

It was just pointed out to me, by a Baptist, that all we (Catholics) do is read the same Bible stories at church, so we never really learn anything new. Naturally I jumped to defend the Church, but after I thought about it, it’s kind of true.

In Sunday school, not once did we ever look at or read from the Bible. We were taught how church and the sacraments work and how to complete them, not why we even do them in the first place. In eighth grade, about 3 weeks before my confirmation, I was given a Bible. That was great, except for the fact that we never opened them, except to write our names on the inside cover.

This does not make any sense to me, especially since how powerful the Bible is. It has really opened my eyes and helped me better understand my faith. My friends that are Baptist, Protestant, etc. know the Bible very well, and they can recite verses as quickly as they can prayers.

I think the teachers should stress reading the Bible and actually understanding why we do things and where we got them from, instead of reviewing what to do at confirmation everyday.

***please take note of how calm I am in my response:***D

HAving taught for many years grades 3 through HS, Caonfirmation, and RCIA, as well as being a life long Informed and practicing Catholic; I feel qualifed to respond to your concerens.

First the Mass and the Bible:
are your aware that we emply a “3 Year Cycle of readings?” A;B; B [were now in “C.”
And for those who regullary attend daily MAss as I have for agreat many tears; hear the ENTIRE bible read to us and rightly explianed to us every 3 years

**Second; the isue of CCD instructions

Because the bible is read and taught by experts at Mass [there are even Childrens Masses now] there is no need to repeat the same instruction in differnt words.

CCD teaches [or is supposed too] the Whys and Hows of our Catholic :thumbsup:Faith BOTH in teaching our Tradition and from the bibles teachings so one can know all that we believe, why we can believe it and how to explain and defend it when necessary.

That’s the way its structured to work; not always the way it actually is. The fact that catechesis has been AWOL for some time has lead His Holiness to Craeate this yar of Faith and a Curia Level department for Reevangulaization of Countires that were once Christian [catholic]. Oboms elecection and reelection certainly assures America ought to be a target of these efforts.

God Bless,
pat /PJM

 

[guanophore]

 As you said in this excerpt from BELOW, WE MUST NOT DEPART FROM UNITY WITH HIS APOSTLES.  THIS IS AT ISSUE.  WHEN WE SEE THE CHURCH DEPART FROM THE UNITY OF THE APOSTLES THEN THEY LOSE THEIR IDENTITY.  UNITY WITH THE APOSTLES IS UNITY WITH THEIR TEACHING...<3+Wendy--those baptized with the Holy Spirit WERE SEPARATE FROM THE APOSTLES when they were so baptized with it AND IT IS THIS SIGNIFICANCE THAT CAUSED THE APOSTLES TO INVITE THEM TO THE FOLD; I COULD SAY THAT A BETTER WAY

No, I think not. When they were baptized in the HS, they became united with the Apostles. God had to convince the Apostles because they did not understand about the Gentiles being brought into the fold. He gave the vision to Peter (Acts. ch. 10) then allowed Peter to see the signs of that unity, at which point Peter had all of them baptized. Those people were never “separated” from the Apostles.

They also had something that our separated brethren today lack, which is a receptive heart to all of the Apostolic message. Most of those evangelicals today who believe they have been baptized in the Holy Spirit “separated” from the Apostolic faith do not receive instruction in that faith from those to whom it was committed by Christ.

 

[guanophore]

I agree with much you say. I see one red flag: “For Catholics, the Bible is not read in isolation from the teachings OF THE CHURCH…”

Catholics ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE CHURCH. Not supposed to be LEARNING FROM THE CHURCH. Are you seeing what I am getting at here? I am not trying to be argumentative. Perhaps this is merely “iron sharpens iron” that is supposed to clarify our thoughts. PLEASE RESPOND.<3+WENDY–THANKS

Such a distinction reflects a deficient understanding of the nature of the Church. Many modern day “bible Christians” have been erroneously taught that the Church is the “body of believers here on earth”. This is true, of course, but it is only part of the Truth. The Church is also identified by the teaching authority appointed by Christ. We find this authority in the successors of the Aposltes - the Bishops. It is from them that we receive the Teachings of Jesus infallibly preserved in the Church.

The Church is the once for all recipient of the divine deposit of faith. The One Faith is kept whole and entire within her by the infallible power of the Holy Spirit.

So, as in most things, it is both. We are members of His One Body, the Church, and we also learn from the Church (Teaching authority appointed by Jesus).

 

[PJM]

=guanophore;10088524]Just for the record, this is not my quote. I suspect it was chopped from a post by PJM, but I do not disagree with it

RE: Biblical evideneof the One God; one Faith and only One Church position [PJM].

Yes, it is a gift from God, and yes, it is a gift from which all the hearers may benefit, and yes it is He who baptizes in the HS and with fire. But those who are so baptized are called to One Faith, and that One Faith is the one that was committed to the Apostles. Those who depart from unity with His Apostles have separated themselves from the promises that were entrrusted to them.

Thanks to both of you:thumbsup:

May I get simplystic here?

It seems completely locical and also theologically sound to hold the following position.

Because all Christians believe in “only One God [Triune]”; how can that “One God” hold contradictory faith positions?

God Bless,

Pat

THANKS for your help!

 

[DebChris]

Our Christian Faith is a lived Faith. It is lived in community with other beilieverrs, not in isolation from them. Togerther we form the Body of Christ. Christ is the head of the Body. It is His teachings we receive through the magisterium of the Church, handed down intact as the original Apostles received them…

*In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. All things came into being through hime, and without him nothing came into being. What came into being in Him is life, and the life was the life of the people. The light shines in the darkness and the darkness is not overcome by it. * [John 1:1-5]

The Word of God did not drop out of the sky in written form. It came to us in the form of a man, the Word incarnate. It is the Holy Spirit who protects what He taught the Apostles. These teachings are what is meant by Tradition which has been entrusted to the teaching authority of the Church (the magisterium). After a time, these teachings were put into writing. Along with the scriptures we received from our Hebrew ancestors, the life of Christ is proclaimed at every Mass. After we have been fed by His Word, we are also fed by His Body and Blood. The Eucharist is the “source and summit of our Faith.” Wnen we eat His Body and drink HIs Blood, we receive Christ Himself.
Very truly, I tell you, unless you eat of the flesh of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you [John 6:53]

Along with the Bible, proclaimed during every Mass, we also read about the lives of Saints. These are individuals who put the Word of Life that they received into practice. By reading their lives, we see how ordinary people overcame the difficulties they faced, overcoming sinful inclinations, and by the power of the Holy Spirit successfully fought temptations. Many did manifest charisms, especially the gift of healing. These special graces are given as the Father wills. They are given not simply for the individual, but for the continued upbuilding of the Church. The Saints became doers of the Word, not merely hearers.

 

[WendyDischler]

Thank you–I so appreciate your commenting. I have difficulty communicating in the past because of health issues that I hope resolve COMPLETELY.

Note that I did not say separateD. : ) THEY WERE SEPARATE. You are absolutely correct in your statement. God showed Peter in a vision and GOD HAD TO BAPTIZE THEM IN THE HOLY SPIRIT FOR THE APOSTLE/S TO KNOW THAT THEY WERE ONE.

Is that clearer?

We tend to think of “separate brethren” as folks WHO ARE ALREADY IN THE CHURCH AND WHO HAVE SEPARATED FROM US BECAUSE…THEY IDENTIFY WITH OTHER “DENOMINATIONS”…; THUS “SEPARATE-D.” What I am saying is that not everyone in a church OR DENOMINATION INCLUDING OURS IS SAVED…YET. THE HOLY SPIRIT acts in these WHEREVER THEY ARE. THE HOLY SPIRIT IS SHOWING WE ARE ONE; DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?
<3+

No, I think not. When they were baptized in the HS, they became united with the Apostles. God had to convince the Apostles because they did not understand about the Gentiles being brought into the fold. He gave the vision to Peter (Acts. ch. 10) then allowed Peter to see the signs of that unity, at which point Peter had all of them baptized. Those people were never “separated” from the Apostles.

They also had something that our separated brethren today lack, which is a receptive heart to all of the Apostolic message. Most of those evangelicals today who believe they have been baptized in the Holy Spirit “separated” from the Apostolic faith do not receive instruction in that faith from those to whom it was committed by Christ.

Re: Does the Catholic Church teach from the Bible?

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Originally Posted by WendyDischler
As you said in this excerpt from BELOW, WE MUST NOT DEPART FROM UNITY WITH HIS APOSTLES. THIS IS AT ISSUE. WHEN WE SEE THE CHURCH DEPART FROM THE UNITY OF THE APOSTLES THEN THEY LOSE THEIR IDENTITY. UNITY WITH THE APOSTLES IS UNITY WITH THEIR TEACHING…<3+Wendy–those baptized with the Holy Spirit WERE SEPARATE FROM THE APOSTLES when they were so baptized with it AND IT IS THIS SIGNIFICANCE THAT CAUSED THE APOSTLES TO INVITE THEM TO THE FOLD; I COULD SAY THAT A BETTER WAY

 

[Boltz44]

St. Peter said We are to grow in grace and knowledge of Him, referring to Christ. How do we do that? St. Luke wrote the book of Luke he also wrote the book of Acts and began that book with these words *The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, **of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, Acts 1:1 ***We read St. Paul saying to the Galatians *But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. *For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. So St. Paul was receiving revelations or teachings from Jesus. If we want to learn more about Jesus and what he taught we need to Study the New Testament, because St. Paul told Timothy *Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. *It would seem the natural place for Catholics to start would be the book of Romans written to the Roman Church by St. Paul And let me leave you with this challenge the verse *The just shall live by faith *is found four times in the Bible do you know where? HINT it is found 3 times in the New Testament , so what does it mean E-Mail me if you find it and want to know what it means

 

[standalone]

I agree: we are talking about the same thing differently as it seems…

Of course that is the point, and that kind of unity of which “I” was speaking,****

My emphasis is that these people who were not perceived to be part of the fold were in fact APPROVED BY JESUS CHRIST.**… When I say “separated,” I DO NOT MEAN those who have “departed from us”!

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No, I think not. When they were baptized in the HS, they became united with the Apostles. God had to convince the Apostles because they did not understand about the Gentiles being brought into the fold. He gave the vision to Peter (Acts. ch. 10) then allowed Peter to see the signs of that unity, at which point Peter had all of them baptized. Those people were never “separated” from the Apostles.

They also had something that our separated brethren today lack, which is a receptive heart to all of the Apostolic message. Most of those evangelicals today who believe they have been baptized in the Holy Spirit “separated” from the Apostolic faith do not receive instruction in that faith from those to whom it was committed by Christ.