Does the Catholic Church teach from the Bible?

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Protestants are very good at quoting from the Bible. Although, in fairness they use an abridged version so it’s easier for them.

Any Catholic Mass includes at least four readings DIRECT from the Bible.
 
Protestants are very good at quoting from the Bible. Although, in fairness they use an abridged version so it’s easier for them.

Any Catholic Mass includes at least four readings DIRECT from the Bible.
It is true that many Protestants can put Catholics to shame quoting scripture, and we can learn much from our separated brethren in this regard.

However the fact that most of them do not have bibles that include the Deuterocanonical books is not really a factor, since most of the Scriptures they commit to memory are from the NT, which they have received in entirety from the Catholic Church.

Catholics dont’ “teach from the bible” the way Protestants do, however, especially modern evangelical groups. Ususally there is a theme chosen for the teaching, and verses are plucked from the text that relate to the theme that is being taught. Catholics read the scriptures through from beginning to end, incorporating them as a whole and uncut cloth, and the readings used in liturgy are intended to coordinate with the Gospel reading for that day. This type of liturgical reading is foreign to most evangelicals.
 
From the instructions of St. Cyril of Jerusalem to catechumens (Office of Readings for Thursday 31st week of the year):
The faith which the Church hands down to you has all the authority of the scriptures behind it. This is the faith, and none other, which you must learn to proclaim and in which you must persevere. Our spiritual life must not be put at risk through ignorance, and since there are some who do not read the Bible, either because they are too busy or because they are illiterate, the essence and core of our faith has been captured, and can be memorized, in the few short lines of the creed.
*…This summary of our faith is not merely human composition but the more striking sayings of the scriptures have been assembled together to form one comprehensive statement. And as a small mustard seed carries within itself the potential of large branches, so the words of our creed are pregnant with the whole content of our religion as it is expressed in both the Old and the New Testament. *
 
I have several questions in relation to the one asked - Does the Catholic Church teach from the Bible.

If the Catholic Church does not teach from the Bible, then their teachings must come from somewhere else. Where?

The argument, ‘Catholics go by their Church - Scripture’ is not a sufficient response as it does not explain where the Church got them from.

It could be argued they made them up, in which case their teachings spring merely from someone’s imagination. But then we have the difficulty of why they made them up.

It could be argued they made them up for the purpose of power and controlling others. But this does not explain why they declared certain teachings to be true and others false. Why did they declare these teachings true? Was it simply to appease Constantine? Why would Constantine have wanted particular teachings declared as truth?

Then we have the problem of the person of Christ. Why did the Church declare the teaching of the Incarnation true? Did they get this wrong? Is it a false teaching? If not, and it is true, then it must be said the Catholic Church got something right. Is it possible they got other teachings right, or was the Incarnation an exception they stumbled upon by chance?

Can it be concluded the Catholic Church teach from the Bible but are misinterpreting it? If so, given that all Christian denominations claim to teach from the Bible and have the correct interpretation, whose interpretation is correct and why?
 
My friends that are Baptist, Protestant, etc. know the Bible very well, and they can recite verses as quickly as they can prayers.

I think the teachers should stress reading the Bible and actually understanding why we do things and where we got them from, instead of reviewing what to do at confirmation everyday.
Hi smiddle,

The Bible is not an end in itself. If all I did was memorize verses from Sacred Scripture or stories from the Bible, than what good is it? It would be useless and so would I. And certainly God is not going to quiz me on how well I can recall book, chapter and verse.

God did not intend His Word to be used in this manner. He certainly speaks to us through Words of Scripture, but His Word was meant for so much more. The Words of Scripture are not meant to lay dormant on a page but to be put forth in action through my words and actions with the people I encounter on a daily basis.

God left us physical signs or tangible signs of His love for us and that is why He left us the 7 Sacraments of the Catholic Church. Jesus said that He would not leave us orphans, and that He would come to us and He does that at every Mass. He transcends time and comes to us in a very real and personal way that is tangible. These Sacraments are not just symbols - they convey God’s grace and love.

Jesus gave us the Sacraments to heal us, to feed us and to strengthen us. In fact, the Sacraments are rooted in the Old Testament and Instituted by Jesus in the New Testament.

You know when you go to a “Non-Denominational” Bible study, at least I remember this, I kept hearing that Jesus did not do away with the Old Covenant but He fulfilled it in the New. The things they used in the Old Testament did not convey actual grace but just symbolized it. I would hear that Circumcision prefigured Baptism and I would ponder than what did the First Passover Meal prefigure? I came up with The Most Holy Eucharist in which my Protestant friends merely called it a symbol and it was then I knew I was in the wrong place.

Jesus came to give us so much more than just mere ink splashed on a page but His very life, His Divine Life through the Eucharist and Praise God for loving me so much that He figured out a way to transcend time and place and come personally to me.
 
In my humble protestant opinion they draw on it indirectly.

As an Evangelical I believe the only authority of God comes from the Bible which is literal and inerrant. But the Catholic Church also believes in Apostolic Succession, Church doctrine and tradition and law, natural law, doctors of the Church, authority of Jesus, then they’ve got a hierarchy of bishops, theologians, and of course at the top the Pope who can say just about anything within reason.

It’s so complex it makes my mind hurt.
We believe in Sacred Scripture and Sacred Traditions. Yes we have some man made traditions but so does your church and your church you attend probably has a hiearchy as well.

We Catholics look at the Pope as the leader of Jesus’ physical church on earth which the main house happens to be in Rome just as many Americans look at the President as the leader of our nation which the main house happens to be in Washington, DC.

We call the pope infallible when he is teaching what Jesus taught and this does not mean that the pope is considered sinless like Jesus but on the contrary; We are all sinners. The Pope when he is teaching what Jesus taught means that he does not change what Jesus taught to suit the lifestyle of its members.

Have you considered reading the writings of the early church fathers? What was the early Church doing in the year 34 after Jesus ascended to Heaven? If I recall, they certainly were not opening their “New Testament” Bibles and preaching to people in this manner. We had Sacred Traditions before we had the written Bible.

What compells me is that these early writings of the church fathers expose what they were doing: people gathered, readings were proclaimed, there was preaching and reflected on, gifts were brought forward, prayers were said, bread and wine were changed into the Eucharist and then people received Jesus in Holy Communion.

May you find the fullness of His truth and grace as you make your spiritual journey home to heaven.
 
I mean that, the Councils of Hippo, Carthage, and Rome (Bishops who were loyal to Rome) discerned the Books of the Bible - both the Old and the New Testaments - and that the Pope ratified their findings, promulgated them to the Church, and employed St. Jerome to create a suitable translation for use at Mass throughout the whole of the known world.
I recall reading in Acts about a council? The Council of Jerusalem? Was this the first council with the councils of Hippo, Carthage and Rome councils that followed as a result of debate in how things were being interpreted?
 
The Bible is not an end in itself. If all I did was memorize verses from Sacred Scripture or stories from the Bible, than what good is it? It would be useless and so would I.
Oh I disagree wholeheartedly! The Scriptures are the inspired and inerrant Word of God, and the more of them we can commit to memory the more our relationship will improve. As St. Jerome said “Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ”. And as St. Paul wrote to Timothy:

2 Tim 3:13-17
14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it, 15 and how from childhood you have known the sacred writings that are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 so that everyone who belongs to God may be proficient, equipped for every good work.

The sacred writings are able to instruct us for salvation, and are useful in equipping us for the work of God.
And certainly God is not going to quiz me on how well I can recall book, chapter and verse.
No, but we have a duty to study, meditate, and pray them.
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God did not intend His Word to be used in this manner.
On the contrary, I think this is exactly what He intended!

Deut 6:4-9

4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD is our God, the LORD alone. 5 You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. 6 Keep these words that I am commanding you today in your heart. 7 **Recite them **to your children and talk about them when you are at home and when you are away, when you lie down and when you rise. 8 Bind them as a sign on your hand, fix them as an emblem on your forehead, 9 and write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.
He certainly speaks to us through Words of Scripture, but His Word was meant for so much more. The Words of Scripture are not meant to lay dormant on a page but to be put forth in action through my words and actions with the people I encounter on a daily basis.
Yes, of course, but the two are not mutually exclusive. In fact, a person who memorizes a lot of scripture will be more likely to live it daily. Having the Word of God upon the lips and in the mind disposes us to obey it.

Col 3:16
16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly; teach and admonish one another in all wisdom; and with gratitude in your hearts sing psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs to God.

As you say, not just for it’s own sake, but so that our lives can be shaped by it.
God left us physical signs or tangible signs of His love for us and that is why He left us the 7 Sacraments of the Catholic Church. Jesus said that He would not leave us orphans, and that He would come to us and He does that at every Mass. He transcends time and comes to us in a very real and personal way that is tangible. These Sacraments are not just symbols - they convey God’s grace and love.
Indeed they do, but His Word conveys grace and love also.
Jesus came to give us so much more than just mere ink splashed on a page but His very life, His Divine Life through the Eucharist and Praise God for loving me so much that He figured out a way to transcend time and place and come personally to me.
Memorizing the Scripture is not a substitute or replacement for the sacramental life, but a compliment. It is one area that many of our separated brethren have surpassed us.
 
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the Catholic Church also believes in Apostolic Succession, Church doctrine and tradition and law, natural law, doctors of the Church, authority of Jesus, then they’ve got a hierarchy of bishops, theologians, and of course at the top the Pope who can say just about anything within reason.

It’s so complex it makes my mind hurt.
The Pope, being a man, can also say anything outside the bounds of reason. Such a statement makes it clear that you have no understanding of the gift of infallibility that Jesus has given to the Church. It has nothing to do with the Pope saying “anything” within reason or not.
 
I recall reading in Acts about a council? The Council of Jerusalem? Was this the first council with the councils of Hippo, Carthage and Rome councils that followed as a result of debate in how things were being interpreted?
The Council of Jerusalem took place during the middle of the First Century.

The Councils of Hippo, Carthage, and Rome took place toward the end of the Fourth Century, so more than three hundred years later.

They didn’t have a New Testament yet, during the First Century. The final books of the New Testament (The Gospel of John and Revelation) were written near the beginning of the Second Century.
 
=guanophore;10002603]It is true that many Protestants can put Catholics to shame quoting scripture, and we can learn much from our separated brethren in this regard.
However the fact that most of them do not have bibles that include the Deuterocanonical books is not really a factor, since most of the Scriptures they commit to memory are from the NT, which they have received in entirety from the Catholic Church.
Catholics dont’ “teach from the bible” the way Protestants do, however, especially modern evangelical groups. Ususally there is a theme chosen for the teaching, and verses are plucked from the text that relate to the theme that is being taught. Catholics read the scriptures through from beginning to end, incorporating them as a whole and uncut cloth, and the readings used in liturgy are intended to coordinate with the Gospel reading for that day. This type of liturgical reading is foreign to most evangelicals.
IT HAS BEEN MY OWN EXPERIENCE THAT WHILE SOME PROTESTANTS ARE ABLE TO QUOTE PASSAGES OF SACRED SCRIPTURE; … BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT RECEIVED THIS CHARISM FROM GOD- THE HOLY SPIRIT; A GIFT GIVEN ONLY TO THE APOSTLES AND THROUGH THEM THE C.C. [MT.10:1-8; MT. 16:15-19; MT. 18:18, AND[COLOR=“Blue”] MT 28:16-20. SUPPOTED BY THIS EXCLUSIVE WARRANTY OF AND BY JESUS HIMSELF

**JOHN17:19*20 **" And for them [MY APOSTLES] do I [JESUS] sanctify myself, that they also may be [WILL BE AND ARE] sanctified in truth. And not for them only do I pray, but for them also who through their word shall believe in me;

AND THE HOLY SPIRIT

John 14:16-17
“And I will ask the Father, [GOD CANNOT DENY HIMSELF] and he shall give you another Paraclete, ***that he may abide with you for ever. ***[17] The spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, nor knoweth him: but you shall know him; because he shall abide with you, and shall be in you.”

**John 20:21-22 **"He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. When he [Jesus] had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost

Quite ofthen what is quoted is without a full or correct undserstanding of the actual message. Everyone runs a HUGE rish by culling verses; taking them out of the content so that the message accomplishes their personal agenda to the detrement of Christ Teaching.

SO; YES, WE CATHOLICS MUST KNOW THE BIBLE TO BE ABLE TO DEFEND CHRIST SINGULAR TRUTHS.👍
 
THANK YOU–I AM NOT YELLING :).

" As, then, the Church reads Judith, Tobit, and the books of Maccabees,
but does not admit them among the canonical Scriptures, so let it read
these two volumes for the edification of the people, not to give authority
to doctrines of the Church. "

JEROME HERE IS PRONOUNCING THE CUSTOM OF THE CHURCH–HE IS OF COURSE COMMISSIONED BY A POPE AND THUS IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE VERY PINNACLE CONSIDERED CHURCH AUTHORITY AND NOT SOME ANONYMOUS PERSON OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE CUSTOM.

WHAT IS SIGNIFICANT IS THAT THE…CUSTOM…OF THE CHURCH IS IS HERE LAID OUT AS…NOT ACCEPTING THESE BOOKS…FROM…THE “APROCRYPHA” HISTORICALLY.

TO MOVE ON FROM YOUR COMMENT IS TO SAY THAT THE CHURCH WAS INCORRECT PREVIOUSLY IN ASSUMING–THE CHURCH, MIND YOU–THAT THE SCRIPTURES SO-CALLED WERE NONCANONICAL WHEN IN FACT THEY WERE.<3+W–OR ARE YOU THAT THE…POPE INTRODUCED SOMETHING NEW?? THANK YOU. AND I THANK TRISHIE ELSEWHERE FOR POINTING OUT THAT YELLING IS CONSIDERED CAPITALS ON-LINE… I AM NOT AT LIBERTY NOT TO CAPITALIZE AT THIS TIME…AND…ASK…YOU…TO…BEAR WITH ME. THIS IS AT TIMES A MEDICAL ISSUE AND AT TIMES…INSTRUCTION FROM THE LORD YEHOVAH

When you mean church do you mean the teaching authority of the bishops, or of the church in the whole? When you speak of the Church in the whole, all those who attend congregationally, or Only Those Who Believe? Do you mean he obeyed THE POPE? Or do you mean he obeyed a MAJORITY RULE? What do you mean? <3+Wendy–THANK YOU!!

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Originally Posted by jmcrae
Because he thought that the Palestinians of his own day were using the same canon of Scriptures as Jesus and the Apostles - but yet he include the entire Canon of the Old Testament, out of obedience to the Church - thus setting a good example to us all, that we must obey the Church even when we disagree - and then it turns out that, hey, the Church was right, how about that.

There are many Protestant groups who now use the 46-book Old Testament because they have in recent years discovered that it is in fact the one that Jesus used.
 
THE LAST QUOTE IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT–BELOW.

THE CHURCH RECEIVED THE BIBLE FROM GOD, CORRECTION.

THE HOLY SPIRIT FILLED CHRISTIAN DOES NOT PLUCK VERSES OUT OF THE BIBLE TO FIT SOME THEME THEY SELECTED; THE HOLY SPIRIT FILLED CHRISTIAN DOES WHAT THE LORD TELLS THEM TO DO–YES, I SAID, “THEM,” EVEN IN THIS CONTEXT…AND IN CAPITALS. BUT I AM NOT YELLING. I ASK: BEAR WITH ME.

CATHOLICS DO NOT…AS…A…RULE…READ THE BIBLE THROUGH FROM END TO END. THE CHURCHES DO INCORPORATE READINGS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, WHICH IS VERY USEFUL BECAUSE THE WORD ITSELF DOES A WORK AND SHOWS UP THE HYPOCRISY OF THE CHURCH AROUND THE HEARER, WHO THEN IS CATAPULTED OUT OF RELIGION AND INTO THE ARMS OF JESUS CHRIST. READING FROM THE SCRIPTURE IN THE HEARING OF THE PEOPLE IS A GOOD THING BECAUSE FAITH COMES FROM HEARING–AS THE BIBLE SAYS: THE WORD OF CHRIST/GOD.

INDIVIDUAL CATHOLICS…BY AND LARGE…HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT THE BIBLE FROM PERSONAL READING UNLESS IT IS VERY MINIMAL. I MYSELF GREW UP CATHOLIC AND WAS INTERESTED IN THE BIBLE AND COULD GET NO ONE TO TELL ME WHAT IT SAID AND FOR “SOME REASON” HAD DIFFICULTY READING IT ALTHOUGH I COULD READ MOST EVERY OTHER BOOK WITH NO PROBLEM–AND DID. IT TOOK THE HOLY SPIRIT TO OPEN UP THE SCRIPTURES BEYOND THE BASIC LESSONS–AS JESUS DID THE APOSTLES BEFORE HIS ASCENSION INTO HEAVEN…
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=guanophore;10002603]It is true that many Protestants can put Catholics to shame quoting scripture, and we can learn much from our separated brethren in this regard.

However the fact that most of them do not have bibles that include the Deuterocanonical books is not really a factor, since most of the Scriptures they commit to memory are from the NT, which they have received in entirety from the Catholic Church.

Catholics dont’ “teach from the bible” the way Protestants do, however, especially modern evangelical groups. Ususally there is a theme chosen for the teaching, and verses are plucked from the text that relate to the theme that is being taught. Catholics read the scriptures through from beginning to end, incorporating them as a whole and uncut cloth, and the readings used in liturgy are intended to coordinate with the Gospel reading for that day. This type of liturgical reading is foreign to most evangelicals.

IT HAS BEEN MY OWN EXPERIENCE THAT WHILE SOME PROTESTANTS ARE ABLE TO QUOTE PASSAGES OF SACRED SCRIPTURE; … BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT RECEIVED THIS CHARISM FROM GOD- THE HOLY SPIRIT; A GIFT GIVEN ONLY TO THE APOSTLES AND THROUGH THEM THE C.C. [MT.10:1-8; MT. 16:15-19; MT. 18:18, AND MT 28:16-20. SUPPOTED BY THIS EXCLUSIVE WARRANTY OF AND BY JESUS HIMSELF

JOHN17:19*20 " And for them [MY APOSTLES] do I [JESUS] sanctify myself, that they also may be [WILL BE AND ARE] sanctified in truth. And not for them only do I pray, but for them also who through their word shall believe in me;

AND THE HOLY SPIRIT

John 14:16-17
“And I will ask the Father, [GOD CANNOT DENY HIMSELF] and he shall give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you for ever. [17] The spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, nor knoweth him: but you shall know him; because he shall abide with you, and shall be in you.”

John 20:21-22 "He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. When he [Jesus] had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost

Quite ofthen what is quoted is without a full or correct undserstanding of the actual message. Everyone runs a HUGE rish by culling verses; taking them out of the content so that the message accomplishes their personal agenda to the detrement of Christ Teaching.

SO; YES, WE CATHOLICS MUST KNOW THE BIBLE TO BE ABLE TO DEFEND CHRIST SINGULAR TRUTHS.

PJM

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Can we partake of God’s GLORY and NOT partake of His PASSION? NO!

A.B. Fulton Sheen: “The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it, and a lie is still a lie, even if everybody believes it.”
 
THIS IS INCORRECT:

=guanophore
IT HAS BEEN MY OWN EXPERIENCE THAT WHILE SOME PROTESTANTS ARE ABLE TO QUOTE PASSAGES OF SACRED SCRIPTURE; … BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT RECEIVED THIS CHARISM FROM GOD- THE HOLY SPIRIT; A GIFT GIVEN ONLY TO THE APOSTLES AND THROUGH THEM THE C.C. MT.10:1-8; MT. 16:15-19; MT. 18:18, AND MT 28:16-20. SUPPOTED BY THIS EXCLUSIVE WARRANTY OF AND BY JESUS HIMSELF

Now let me in small text differentiate. This gift is not only given to the apostles and not only through them. The gift came from God, which, after the apostles saw it in some instances, confirmed to them that the hearers ought to be considered CHRISTIAN. They were not the originators of it. CHRIST is the originator of it. HE is the one who baptizes IN THE HOLY SPIRIT AND FIRE.

THIS IS FROM THE GOSPELS, JOHN THE BAPTIST
Luke 3:15-18. "The people were waiting expectantly and were all wondering in their hearts if John might possibly be the Christ. John answered them all, “I baptize you with water. But one more powerful than I will come, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. His winnowing fork is in his hand to clear his threshing floor and to gather the wheat into his barn, but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.” And with many other words John exhorted the people and preached the good news to them.

Luke 24:'36And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, “Peace be unto you.” 37But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. 38And he said unto them, “Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? 39Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.” 40And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet. 41And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? 42And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. 43And he took it, and did eat before them.

‘44And he said unto them, “These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.” 45Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46And said unto them, “Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48And ye are witnesses of these things. 49And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.”’

Acts 1:'2Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen: 3To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: 4And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, “but wait for the promise of the Father, which,” saith he, “ye have heard of me. 5For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.”

Acts 1 :’"1The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, 2Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen: 3To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: 4And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, “but wait for the promise of the Father, which,” saith he, “ye have heard of me. 5For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.”
6When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, “Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?” 7And he said unto them, “It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 8But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.”

'9And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11Which also said, “Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”

'12Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day’s journey. 13And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James. 14These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.

 
…'15And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,) 16"Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus. 17For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry. 18Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out. 19And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.

'"20For it is written in the book of Psalms, ‘Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take’.

'“21Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.” 23And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. 24And they prayed, and said, “Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, 25That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.” 26And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

[CONTINUING, UNINTERRUPTED]
Acts 2 :'1And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, “Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.” 12And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, “What meaneth this?” 13Others mocking said, “These men are full of new wine.”

'14But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, "Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: 15For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. 16But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

‘"‘17And it shall come to pass in the last days,’ saith God,’ I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

'"'18And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

'"'19And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

'"'20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

'"'21And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

'"22Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

'"25For David speaketh concerning him, 'I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

'"'26Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:

'"'27Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

'"'28Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.

‘“29Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.”’

IF you read it all, you will understand that the disciples numbered about 120 and continued together AT ALL TIMES and WERE TOGETHER and that THE PROMISE mentioned at the end is the promise I mentioned above and that IT WAS THE FULFILLLMENT OF JOEL which was A PROMISE for ALL…<3+W
 
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THE LAST QUOTE IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT--BELOW.
It is difficult to tell which part of this is yours and which is not, so I am going to guess.
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 THE CHURCH RECEIVED THE BIBLE FROM GOD, CORRECTION.
THE HOLY SPIRIT FILLED CHRISTIAN DOES NOT PLUCK VERSES OUT OF THE BIBLE TO FIT SOME THEME THEY SELECTED; THE HOLY SPIRIT FILLED CHRISTIAN DOES WHAT THE LORD TELLS THEM TO DO–YES, I SAID, “THEM,” EVEN IN THIS CONTEXT…
Of course the individual Spirit filled Christian believes that they are interpreting the Scripture with the mind of Chirst, and that they are doing as the Lord tells them. The problem is that the HS does not contradict Himself. Therefore, when modern bible Christians “interpret” the Scriptures to mean something opposite of what the HS has revealed to the Church, there is some other voice speaking.
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CATHOLICS DO NOT...AS...A...RULE...READ THE BIBLE THROUGH FROM END TO END.  THE CHURCHES DO INCORPORATE READINGS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, WHICH IS VERY USEFUL BECAUSE THE WORD ITSELF DOES A WORK AND SHOWS UP THE HYPOCRISY OF THE CHURCH AROUND THE HEARER, WHO THEN IS CATAPULTED OUT OF RELIGION AND INTO THE ARMS OF JESUS CHRIST.
What hypocrisy is that?

I do agree, that the Word of God does catapult the hearer into the arms of Christ. It sounds like you don’t believe that Jesus is connnected to His Body - that the Church has become Headless?
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READING FROM THE SCRIPTURE IN THE HEARING OF THE PEOPLE IS A GOOD THING BECAUSE FAITH COMES FROM HEARING--AS THE BIBLE SAYS:  THE WORD OF CHRIST/GOD.
Amen! It is the duty of the Church to proclaim the Word, in season and out, because she is the pillar and the ground of the Truth. 👍
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INDIVIDUAL CATHOLICS...BY AND LARGE...HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT THE BIBLE FROM PERSONAL READING UNLESS IT IS VERY MINIMAL.  I MYSELF GREW UP CATHOLIC AND WAS INTERESTED IN THE BIBLE AND COULD GET NO ONE TO TELL ME WHAT IT SAID AND FOR "SOME REASON" HAD DIFFICULTY READING IT ALTHOUGH I COULD READ MOST EVERY OTHER BOOK WITH NO PROBLEM--AND DID.  IT TOOK THE HOLY SPIRIT TO OPEN UP THE SCRIPTURES BEYOND THE BASIC LESSONS--AS JESUS DID THE APOSTLES BEFORE HIS ASCENSION INTO HEAVEN...
I also did not learn how to read scripture when I was raised as a Catholic. I had such a hunger for the Word, I gravitated toward a Baptist community where I began to read the Bible myself. One of the reasons the Bible is difficult to read is because it is not like “any other book”. It is a library of books written by different authors over milennia. I agree with you, though, the HS inspires a great love and hunger for Scripture.
 
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IT HAS BEEN MY OWN EXPERIENCE THAT WHILE SOME PROTESTANTS ARE ABLE TO QUOTE PASSAGES OF SACRED SCRIPTURE; … BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT RECEIVED THIS CHARISM FROM GOD- THE HOLY SPIRIT; A GIFT GIVEN ONLY TO THE APOSTLES AND THROUGH THEM THE C.C. [MT.10:1-8; MT. 16:15-19; MT. 18:18, AND MT 28:16-20. SUPPOTED BY THIS EXCLUSIVE WARRANTY OF AND BY JESUS HIMSELF
Just for the record, this is not my quote. I suspect it was chopped from a post by PJM, but I do not disagree with it.
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Now let me in small text differentiate.  This gift is not only given to the apostles and not only through them.  The gift came from God, which, after the apostles saw it in some instances, confirmed to them that the hearers ought to be considered CHRISTIAN.  They were not the originators of it.  CHRIST is the originator of it.  HE is the one who baptizes IN THE HOLY SPIRIT AND FIRE.
Yes, it is a gift from God, and yes, it is a gift from which all the hearers may benefit, and yes it is He who baptizes in the HS and with fire. But those who are so baptized are called to One Faith, and that One Faith is the one that was committed to the Apostles. Those who depart from unity with His Apostles have separated themselves from the promises that were entrrusted to them.
THIS IS FROM THE GOSPELS, JOHN THE BAPTIST
Luke 3:15-18.
Luke 24:36
Acts 1:2
Acts 1 :’"1The
You seem to really enjoy those Scriptures regarding the gift of the HS given to the Church. I do too. But all of these scriptures were written by, for, and about Catholics. They describe the gifts given to the Catholic Church, which was founded by Christ upon the Rock. Those who depart from this One Faith no longer are protected by these great and precious promises.

IF you read it all, you will understand that the disciples numbered about 120 and continued together AT ALL TIMES and WERE TOGETHER and that THE PROMISE mentioned at the end is the promise I mentioned above and that IT WAS THE FULFILLLMENT OF JOEL which was A PROMISE for ALL…<3+W
Yes, that togetherness is key. Those who departed from the Apostles, and those that were appointed by them, left the One Faith. They were found, as are many Bible Christians today, preaching “a different gospel” than the one that was delivered once for all to the Church. Do you remember what we are to do when we are confronted by such persons?
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Catholics who claim not to read the Bible may be surprised by how much they actually know about the Word of God simply from hearing it proclaimed week after week during Sunday Mass.
Many of the other prayers used during the Liturgy can also be found in scripture. Scripture itself tells us God’s Word “will not be void.”

It is St. Jerome who said “Ignorance of scripture is ingnorance of God.” The more we read scripture, the more we come to know God and how it fits into the teachings of the Church.
For Catholics, the Bible is not read in isolation from the teachings of the Church under the guidance of the Holy Spirit (the Magisterium) and handed down through the generations as the Apostles received them (Tradition).

During the Liturgy of the Word,the first part of the Mass, Catholics hear one Old Testament selection each day along with the Gospel. On Sundays, we also hear a New Testament reading. We also pray one of the Psalms.

At a time when most people were illiterate, St. John of the Cross wrote how important it was for priests to read Scripture. In their proclamation of the Word, the congregation reads the priest.
The stories of Scripture, as well as the Saints, are the subject of stained glass windows that serve to educate people about the teachings of the Church.
 
Catholics who claim not to read the Bible may be surprised by how much they actually know about the Word of God simply from hearing it proclaimed week after week during Sunday Mass.
Many of the other prayers used during the Liturgy can also be found in scripture. Scripture itself tells us God’s Word “will not be void.”

It is St. Jerome who said “Ignorance of scripture is ingnorance of God.” The more we read scripture, the more we come to know God and how it fits into the teachings of the Church.
For Catholics, the Bible is not read in isolation from the teachings of the Church under the guidance of the Holy Spirit (the Magisterium) and handed down through the generations as the Apostles received them (Tradition).

During the Liturgy of the Word,the first part of the Mass, Catholics hear one Old Testament selection each day along with the Gospel. On Sundays, we also hear a New Testament reading. We also pray one of the Psalms.

At a time when most people were illiterate, St. John of the Cross wrote how important it was for priests to read Scripture. In their proclamation of the Word, the congregation reads the priest.
The stories of Scripture, as well as the Saints, are the subject of stained glass windows that serve to educate people about the teachings of the Church.
Yes what you post is so true; Catholics who attend Mass know Scripture more than they are given credit for.

In fact, I have read that if you went to Mass everyday for 3 years, you would have heard the entire Sacred Scriptures proclaimed over that time. The Catholic Mass is soaked in Sacred Scripture and so too Sacred Scripture is soaked with the Mass. The Mass is revealed in Sacred Scripture and Sacred Scripture is revealed in the Mass.

If you do not understand the Mass then it is by your own ignorance just as if you do not know Scripture, then that too by your own ignorance. And yes, I agree the more we know Scripture, the more we come to know God, just as the more we know the Mass and actually participate instead of being mere spectators, the more we come to know God.
 
As you said in this excerpt from BELOW, WE MUST NOT DEPART FROM UNITY WITH HIS APOSTLES. THIS IS AT ISSUE. WHEN WE SEE THE CHURCH DEPART FROM THE UNITY OF THE APOSTLES THEN THEY LOSE THEIR IDENTITY. UNITY WITH THE APOSTLES IS UNITY WITH THEIR TEACHING…<3+Wendy–those baptized with the Holy Spirit WERE SEPARATE FROM THE APOSTLES when they were so baptized with it AND IT IS THIS SIGNIFICANCE THAT CAUSED THE APOSTLES TO INVITE THEM TO THE FOLD; I COULD SAY THAT A BETTER WAY

Yes, it is a gift from God, and yes, it is a gift from which all the hearers may benefit, and yes it is He who baptizes in the HS and with fire. But those who are so baptized are called to One Faith, and that One Faith is the one that was committed to the Apostles. Those who depart from unity with His Apostles have separated themselves from the promises that were entrrusted to them.
Just for the record, this is not my quote. I suspect it was chopped from a post by PJM, but I do not disagree with it.

Yes, it is a gift from God, and yes, it is a gift from which all the hearers may benefit, and yes it is He who baptizes in the HS and with fire. But those who are so baptized are called to One Faith, and that One Faith is the one that was committed to the Apostles. Those who depart from unity with His Apostles have separated themselves from the promises that were entrrusted to them.

You seem to really enjoy those Scriptures regarding the gift of the HS given to the Church. I do too. But all of these scriptures were written by, for, and about Catholics. They describe the gifts given to the Catholic Church, which was founded by Christ upon the Rock. Those who depart from this One Faith no longer are protected by these great and precious promises.

Yes, that togetherness is key. Those who departed from the Apostles, and those that were appointed by them, left the One Faith. They were found, as are many Bible Christians today, preaching “a different gospel” than the one that was delivered once for all to the Church. Do you remember what we are to do when we are confronted by such persons?
 
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