Does the Catholic Church teach from the Bible?

[THEYEHOVAH]

Hosea 4:6

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.
Because you have rejected knowledge,
I also will reject you from being My priest.
Since you have forgotten the law of your God,
I also will forget your children.

This is a very Serious Warning in the BIBLE.

Ephesians 4:9-16, puncuated differently in different BIBLES:

9 Now that he ascended, what is it, but because he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He that descended is the same also that ascended above all the heavens, that he might fill all things.

11 And he gave some apostles, and some prophets, and other some evangelists, and other some pastors and doctors, 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

HE WANTS US PERFECTED BUT OTHER TRANSLATIONS LEAVE OUT THE COMMA AFTER SAINTS; RE-READ: FOR THE WORK OF THE MINISTRY; WE ARE NOT BEING PREPARED FOR THIS AND FURTHER WE ARE IN STATE DESCRIBED BELOW:

13 Until we all meet into the unity of faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the age of the fulness of Christ; 14 That henceforth we be no more children tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine by the wickedness of men, by cunning craftiness, by which they lie in wait to deceive

MOST CATHOLICS ARE IN THE STATE DESCRIBED–AS CHILDREN:

15 But doing the truth in charity, we may in all things grow up in him who is the head, even Christ: 16 From whom the whole body, being compacted and fitly joined together, by what every joint supplieth, according to the operation in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body, unto the edifying of itself in charity

RIGHT NOT THE JOINTS ARE NOT SUPPLYING THE BODY SO AS TO MAKE IT ALL WORK IN MINISTRY SO AS NOT TO BE CHILDREN TOSSED TO AND FRO AND DECEIVED; MUCH ELSE GOOD IS GOING ON

The word is being read but not taught beyond Gospel accounts–which are the most important–and spiritual warfare is neglected; Catholics get exposure to the word in mass and the word does its own work–as it says; when you hear it you are able to identify hypocrisy; sometimes this causes catholics to leave

Not the entire Bible is read in CHURCH

Protestants do not understand the Bible teaching behind Catholic Doctrines but Catholics do not understand the Doctrines come from the WORD and cannot explain it to PROTESTANTS WHO NEED MINISTERING

WE HEAR ALOT IN CATHOLIC CHURCH ABOUT WE SHOULD BE GOING OUT AND DOING AND FEEL GUILTY ABOUT NOT GOING OUT AND MINISTERING WITHOUT REALLY KNOWING HOW BUT ARE NOT REALLY EQUIPPED EVEN IF WE ARE INTERESTED

 

[THEYEHOVAH]

Teaching authority from Christ? Christ/apostles said that those that followed them would be untrustable. Obey your elders but be ready to receive accusations against them if two or more witnesses step forward and REBUKE MISBEHAVERS BEFORE ALL. They also cautioned NOT to listen to all who claimed to be teachers BECAUSE SOME WERE FALSE. JESUS described the church to follow as consisting of sheep and WOLVES. JESUS said the holy spirit would remind us of all he said AND that THE MESSIAH–HE–WAS THE ONLY TEACHER. GOD gives teachers, pastors, evangelists, prophets, and apostles; JESUS SAID the teacher will not exceed but BE LIKE HIS TEACHER–we know pupils who exceed teachers all the time because THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE TEACHER and the way teachers work is the teachers present the material and THE HOLY SPIRIT CONFIRMS WHATEVER IS TRUE WHEN WE HAVE THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. Most of us have the baptism of water. ADD to that the baptism of the Holy Spirit! This is BASIC and it is NOT THE SAME.

HEBREWS 6:1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

YOU SEE THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO LEAVE THE BASICS AND MOVE ON TO PERFECTION AND THE BASICS INCLUDE BAPTISMS WITH AN “S,” AND WE KNOW THERE IS ONLY ONE BAPTISM INTO FAITH AND THIS IS NOT IT BUT THE SECOND BAPTISM THAT THE BELIEVERS RECEIVED IN ACTS AND THE APOSTLES INQUIRED ABOUT AND THE BELIEVERS SAID WE DID NOT EVEN K NOW ABOUT IT–THE BAPTISM OF THE SPIRIT HOLY. THIS IS THAT WHICH THE APOSTLES SAID ENABLED US TO NOT EVEN NEED A TEACHER

1 JOHN 2:27and you, the anointing that ye did receive from him, in you it doth remain, and ye have no need that any one may teach you, but as the same anointing doth teach you concerning all, and is true, and is not a lie, and even as was taught you, ye shall remain in him.

THIS IS AN ANOINTING AND IS NOT OPINION AND IS OUR ONLY TEACHER AND IS THE POWER OF BELIEVERS WE ARE TO WAIT FOR BEFORE GOING OUT AND TEACHING AND EXPLAINS OUR NOT KNOWING WHAT TO DO WHEN WE ARE URGED TO MINISTER; THE SPIRIT GUIDES US JUST AS IT GUIDED JESUS AFTER HE WAS BAPTIZED IN WATER…AND THE HOLY SPIRIT

 

[THEYEHOVAH]

HEBREW 8:11 They will not teach every man his fellow citizen, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all will know me, from the least of them to the greatest of them.

THIS IS A FULFILLMENT OF PROPHECY–JEREMIAH
<3+

 

[THEYEHOVAH]

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We do teach from the Bible. We’re the ones that created it. The problem is those who should be teaching this stuff, and we as Catholics, should be reading our Bibles. That being said, the Catholic Church isn’t based on scripture alone, as Protestant forms of Christianity are.

THIS IS PRESUMPTOUS. THE BIBLE SAYS THE HOLY SPIRIT CREATED IT. YES, WE SHOULD BE READING OUR BIBLES AND WE MUST HAVE THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT TO DO IT AND TO RECEIVE IT PROPERLY FOR ONLY THE PROPER INTERPRETATION APPLIES AND NOT ANY INDIVIDUAL OPINION; this is the true interpretation of “sola scriptura” and matches Catholic interpretation–that the Holy Spirit must interpret the SCRIPTURES

 

[THEYEHOVAH]

Fundamentalist Protestantism has nothing else to go on but the bible. It does not rely on the early Church or the Fathers. It denies the value of tradition and it has no teaching Magisterium. Its only source of faith are the books of the bible. For the most part, Fundamentalists don’t pay much attention to the OT, because they don’t understand that the entire OT is about Jesus Christ.

I take it you are not fundamentalist “protestantism”… You are incorrect. The HOLY SPIRIT is the foundation. The HOLY SPIRIT GUIDES the fundamentalist AND IS TEACHING MAGISTERIUM… “Fundamentalists” PAY GREAT attention to the Old Testament and understand that the ENTIRE Bible is about Jesus Christ ALL THE WAY THROUGH.

I grew up in CATHOLIC CHURCH and attended CCD in LOUISIANA AS WELL AS OREGON AND CALIFORNIA AND IN MULTIPLES IN LOUISIANA AND GUAM AND HAD THE EXPERIENCE OF THIS POSTER–MUCH “CHURCH” AND NOT MUCH KNOWLEDGE EXCEPT FOR THE BASICS OF THE FAITH AT THE BEGINNING. SHELL. I find this to be the experience of MOST CATHOLICS I COMMUNICATE WITH and several of them are taught superstition. IT IS RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CHURCH LEADERS TO TEACH THE PARENTS AND CHILDREN. THE PARENTS IN CCD ARE NOT BEING TAUGHT AND THE CHILDREN OF THE PARENTS ARE NOT BEING TAUGHT IN CCD NOR IN CHURCH. THE LEADERS OF THE CHURCH ARE RESPONSIBLE. DISCIPLES ARE SUPPOSED TO CONFESS CHRIST AND BE BAPTIZED IN THE HOLY SPIRIT AND BE MOVED BY THAT SPIRIT TO BE ABLE TO TEACH AND ARE NOT BEING TAUGHT ABOUT THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT OR GIVEN THE TOOLS OF THE WORD THAT THE WORD SAYS WE NEED ALL THE WHILE CLAIMING TO UPHOLD THE WORD.

WE ALL SHOULD BE TEACHING–AS THE BIBLE SAYS.

CHRIST JESUS UPHELD THE WORD THAT EXISTED BEFORE HE CAME–HE AUTHORED IT–AND INTERPRETED IT CORRECTLY–HE AUTHORED–AND THE APOSTLES TOLD TO PREACH THE WORD AND THE WORD EXISTED BEFORE THEY WROTE IT DOWN THAT WAS WRITTEN DOWN WHOSE PROPHECIES JESUS CHRIST FULFILLED. The church wa s using scriptural texts that were handed down and passed around and approved what had been used long by that council but without closing the canon–the Ethiopians still have an open canon–and not all used were considered equal–as Jerome the interpreter clarified and as the church clarifies TODAY by name of ‘deuterocanon’ and ‘canon’ and their lesser and greater status AND PROTESTANTS AGREE THAT THE IMPORTANT BOOKS ARE THE IMPORTANT BOOKS.

 

[THEYEHOVAH]

CONFESSION IS BIBLICAL: “CONFESS YOUR SINS ONE TO” ANOTHER SAYS SCRIPTURE BESIDES GIVING BELIEVERS THE POWER TO FORGIVE SINS; THIS DOES NOT SPECIFY A PRIEST; I MUST SAY ONE MUST USE DISCRETION FOR THE APOSTLE PAUL SAYS IN EPHESIANS 5:12 for it is disgraceful even to speak of the things which are done by them in secret. SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS NOT TO BE MENTIONED I HAVE FOUND BY UNFORTUNATE EXPERIENCE TO THOSE WHO ARE NOT WORTHY TO HEAR THEM AND ARE INSTEAD TITILLATED–REASON TO CONFESS TO A PRIEST IF ONLY PRIESTS COULD BE TRUSTED ACROSS-THE-BOARD. THEY CANNOT…

There is no subject one cannot broach with children. I was asked to teach Leah–difficult to teach a woman married by trickery and two wives–at a dramatic class storytelling and did. My daughter was Raised hearing ALL about THE BIBLE and ALL about WHAT SHE NEEDED TO BE WARNED AGAINST as LED by the Holy Spirit AT THE PROPER TIME; THAT IS THE KEY. The Holy Spirit will even teach you the different METHODS of discipline FOR CHILDREN WISE AND NAIVE AND FOOLISH with the end of the means THE SALVATION. PRAY FOR THE HOLY SPIRIT AS JESUS commanded. Your Father will not give you a stone or a scorpion when you ask for the Holy Spirit, as He SAID in ONE of the versions; these lessons are repeated in the different gospels with different ASPECTS TO THEM. READ THEM ALL. THEY DO NOT APPEAR ONCE; KNOW that when the BIBLE SAYS two or three witnesses are important THAT IT ALSO DEMONSTRATES THIS. YOU WIL L FIND CONFIRMATION OF IMPORTANT BIBLE TRUTHS.

 

[THEYEHOVAH]

Fundamentalist bible study is not to refute catholicism: Absolutely not! The focus is the father, son, holy spirit in personal relationship in christ jesus and learning the word–the apostle paul said to preach the word and peter confirmed what paul said “in all his letters”… The apostle paul, by the way, was called and said the apostles added nothing to him but he to them and preached without their authorization because his authorization from the lord was direct as the lord calls people today to work…alongside pre-existing christians. <3+

 

[Diana_Catherine]

Fundamentalist bible study is not to refute catholicism: Absolutely not! The focus is the father, son, holy spirit in personal relationship in christ jesus and learning the word–the apostle paul said to preach the word and peter confirmed what paul said “in all his letters”… The apostle paul, by the way, was called and said the apostles added nothing to him but he to them and preached without their authorization because his authorization from the lord was direct as the lord calls people today to work…alongside pre-existing christians. <3+

You know, you have said so much in all of these posts in such a confusing way, I am not sure what your point is? Can you bring it down to one summarizing statement.

 

[TimothyH]

John 20: 19 - 23 clearly reads that Jesus spoke to the DISCIPLES, then he breathed “receive ye the Holy Spirit” and THEN gave them the authority to forgive or abstain sins. Those who have not received the Baptism of the Spirit will obviously take Nicodemus’ sarcastic view of Born Again as spoken by Jesus. In Luke 11 -13 Jesus encourages us: “how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him.” Ask. To those who insist that they were given the Holy Spirit at Baptism and ratified at Confirmation, I ask where are the signs that Jesus told us about in Mark 16:17 and 18? Where are the gifts of the Spirit which were given for the benefit of the whole church? Why aren’t there healings every sunday? Why aren’t demons driven out in the Name of Jesus? According to Eusebius, in his time the church in Rome comprised 72ushers, 48 exorcists…

John 20:19 does not say that Jesus spoke to the greater body of disciples, all of his followers, but only that Jesus stood “Where the disciples were” and spoke. It does not say whom he spoke to.

The Apostles, often referred to as “The twelve” were also disciples. The writers of the Gospels don’t use the term Apostles often, instead sometimes referring to them as “The twelve” or simply as “Disciples” and leaving it up to the reader to determine who the audience was based on the context. The word Apostle does not appear in John’s Gospel at all. Not once.

If you look at John 20:24, it mentions that Thomas, “one of the twelve” was not there.

***Thomas, called Didymus, one of the Twelve, was not with them when Jesus came. So the other disciples said to him, “We have seen the Lord.” *(John 20:24-25)

“The twelve” is the context, not the greater body of followers of Jesus. Apostles were also disciples. John does not use the term “Apostle” in his Gospel at all but uses “The twelve” to single out the Apostles. John 20:24, the twelve, is the context for John 20:19.

-Tim-

 

[TimothyH]

Fundamentalist bible study is not to refute catholicism: Absolutely not! The focus is the father, son, holy spirit in personal relationship in christ jesus and learning the word–the apostle paul said to preach the word and peter confirmed what paul said “in all his letters”… The apostle paul, by the way, was called and said the apostles added nothing to him but he to them and preached without their authorization because his authorization from the lord was direct as the lord calls people today to work…alongside pre-existing christians. <3+

Slow down, take a deep breath, and please stop bashing us over the head with posts and Bible verses.

Please, take a deep breath.

-Tim-

 

[kkollwitz]

“I think the teachers should stress reading the Bible and actually understanding why we do things and where we got them from, instead of reviewing what to do at confirmation everyday.”

Yes. A couple of years ago I quit using the textbook in my 6th-grade catechism class, and with the DRE’s permission wrote my own syllabus for teaching directly from the Bible all the time in my classroom. We go straight through from Genesis to Revelations, and finish with 3 classes on the Mass. The kids learn their Catholicism right out of the Bible, and they like it.

 

[mlz]

Before you jump at my throat, I know that this is where we get our dogmas, rules, etc. My question pertains more to Sunday school.

It was just pointed out to me, by a Baptist, that all we (Catholics) do is read the same Bible stories at church, so we never really learn anything new. Naturally I jumped to defend the Church, but after I thought about it, it’s kind of true.

In Sunday school, not once did we ever look at or read from the Bible. We were taught how church and the sacraments work and how to complete them, not why we even do them in the first place. In eighth grade, about 3 weeks before my confirmation, I was given a Bible. That was great, except for the fact that we never opened them, except to write our names on the inside cover.

This does not make any sense to me, especially since how powerful the Bible is. It has really opened my eyes and helped me better understand my faith. My friends that are Baptist, Protestant, etc. know the Bible very well, and they can recite verses as quickly as they can prayers.

I think the teachers should stress reading the Bible and actually understanding why we do things and where we got them from, instead of reviewing what to do at confirmation everyday.

Catholics love the bible! After all, it was the Catholic Church that first decided what belonged in the bible. (church history is clear on that) I don’t understand why you wouldn’t use the bible in sunday school, you should, but it could be your parish. Yes, protestants are very adept at bible reading, something Catholics need to get better at but the depth and history is on the side of the Catholic Church and Sacred Scripture is one of the legs the Catholic church has in the stool of faith to stand on. So also is Sacred Tradition. I’ve been protestant all my life, until this year and I’d never go back. (although I miss some music)

Blessings,
mlz

 

[Jim_Dandy]

Fundamentalist bible study is not to refute catholicism: Absolutely not! The focus is the father, son, holy spirit in personal relationship in christ jesus and learning the word–the apostle paul said to preach the word and peter confirmed what paul said “in all his letters”… The apostle paul, by the way, was called and said the apostles added nothing to him but he to them and preached without their authorization because his authorization from the lord was direct as the lord calls people today to work…alongside pre-existing christians. <3+

Tell us, please, is your interpretation of the Bible infallible? If not, why should we accept it?

Do you know where we got the Bible? I doubt it. Most Protestants (and many Catholics) don’t have a clue about where we got it, why it was written, or how to understand it.

The New Testament was written by Catholics, for Catholics. The Catholic Church selected 27 of her own writings and named them the New Testament when she compiled the Bible at the end of the fourth century. The NT is based on the teaching of the Church, not vice versa. And the Church’s teaching is a guide by which the New Testament must be read in order to understand it correctly. The thousands of Protestant denominations have imposed their own (mis)interpretations upon it, and the result is chaos in Christendom.

Jim Dandy
Ex-Southern Baptist, ex-agnostic, ex-atheist, ecstatic to be Catholic!

 

[IanGE]

Mark 3: 28 - 30; I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes agianst the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven: he is guilty of an eternal sin. He said this because they were saying, “He has an evil spirit.”
I speak in frustrated love: the Church is missing out on so much because it fears (if that’s the right word?) handing over control to the Holy Spirit. It did that way back in Eusebius’ day, about 338AD.

 

[IanGE]

John 20:19 does not say that Jesus spoke to the greater body of disciples, all of his followers, but only that Jesus stood “Where the disciples were” and spoke. It does not say whom he spoke to.

-Tim-

John 20:19: “…where the disciples were together with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus entered and stood among them and said…” But I take your point, Timothy: the Greek word for ‘disciple’ is ‘mathetas’ which means learner, pupil, disciple. A little later, in V21, Jesus says, “…as the Father sent me I am sending you.” This is when they became apostles, those who were sent by God. I never noticed that before:isn’t Bible study wonderful!

 

[IanGE]

So you are putting your faith in a TV comment from a priest that has not authority, because he is not the spokesperson for the Vatican, instead of following the teachings of your bishop that got his teaching authority from Jesus Christ. That is a very dangerous path.

A. I have not “put my faith in” - I was profoundly shocked that the head of a research department IN the Vatican should say that. But a reading of any unbiased Christian history will reveal any number of dodgy popes, notably the dreaded Borgias, not forgetting the time of TWO popes and Pope Joan! The authority to teach comes from Jesus to any who believe on Him: oaths of obedience to Rome are not good enough. ( please read Mt. 5:34 -37; Do not swear at all) Matthew’s Great commission includes the enigmatic words (Mt. 28:17) “…but some doubted!” Marks Gospel ends with 16:20: Then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked with them and confirmed His word by the signs (16:17 &18) that accompanied it.. Nuff said.

 

[IanGE]

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We do teach from the Bible. We’re the ones that created it. The problem is those who should be teaching this stuff, and we as Catholics, should be reading our Bibles. That being said, the Catholic Church isn’t based on scripture alone, as Protestant forms of Christianity are.

THIS IS PRESUMPTOUS. THE BIBLE SAYS THE HOLY SPIRIT CREATED IT. YES, WE SHOULD BE READING OUR BIBLES AND WE MUST HAVE THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT TO DO IT AND TO RECEIVE IT PROPERLY FOR ONLY THE PROPER INTERPRETATION APPLIES AND NOT ANY INDIVIDUAL OPINION; this is the true interpretation of “sola scriptura” and matches Catholic interpretation–that the Holy Spirit must interpret the SCRIPTURES

Hear hear! That’s you to get a Catholic Fatwah too!

 

[IanGE]

I often speculate as to why the Catholic Church opposed the translation of the Bible from the dead Latin? Opposition was fierce, too: Wycliffe ( probably the first to translate into English) had his bones dug up 44 years after his death, burnt and thrown into a river - on the orders of the then Pope. Tyndale’s (possibly the second translator) disciple John Huss was burnt at the stake, hung drawn and quartered. The Duoay version of 1582 was translated from Jerome’s Latin Vulgate, despite Erasmus having proved years earlier Jerome to be inaccurate , corrupt and heavily biased towards Rome dogma. The King James version of 1611 used Erasmus’ text in parallel with Tyndale’s and the Vulgate. Interestingly, more modern texts, notably the NIV, go back to the original Greek Texts, checking other translations as they went along. Protestant texts do not, repeat not, bias towards anything but try to preserve the true words. With certain off-shoot exceptions (JWs?)
I tend to use the Interlinear Greek text in which I find the Lord’s prayer more pwerful than the English translation. BTW back before Duoay, several parents were executed for teaching their children the Lord’s Prayer in English. Please Google "Bible Translators - its heady stuff! All those martyrs sacrificed so that we can hurl Scriptural bombs at one another!. I write this as background as to probably why the Catholic church STILL discourages peasants from reading the Bible and has raised tradition and dogma above the Word of God. Some call that the Catholic Heresy, which split the Church in Luther’s time. Along with the veneration of statues - in disobedience to GOD’s second commandment: Thou shalt not MAKE graven images of ANYTHING in heaven or on earth or under the earth! Never mind praying before them: this caused an earlier split between Rome and Constantinople…

 

[Jim_Dandy]

I often speculate as to why the Catholic Church opposed the translation of the Bible from the dead Latin? Opposition was fierce, too: Wycliffe ( probably the first to translate into English) had his bones dug up 44 years after his death, burnt and thrown into a river - on the orders of the then Pope. Tyndale’s (possibly the second translator) disciple John Huss was burnt at the stake, hung drawn and quartered. The Duoay version of 1582 was translated from Jerome’s Latin Vulgate, despite Erasmus having proved years earlier Jerome to be inaccurate , corrupt and heavily biased towards Rome dogma. The King James version of 1611 used Erasmus’ text in parallel with Tyndale’s and the Vulgate. Interestingly, more modern texts, notably the NIV, go back to the original Greek Texts, checking other translations as they went along. Protestant texts do not, repeat not, bias towards anything but try to preserve the true words. With certain off-shoot exceptions (JWs?)
I tend to use the Interlinear Greek text in which I find the Lord’s prayer more pwerful than the English translation. BTW back before Duoay, several parents were executed for teaching their children the Lord’s Prayer in English. Please Google "Bible Translators - its heady stuff! All those martyrs sacrificed so that we can hurl Scriptural bombs at one another!. I write this as background as to probably why the Catholic church STILL discourages peasants from reading the Bible and has raised tradition and dogma above the Word of God. Some call that the Catholic Heresy, which split the Church in Luther’s time. Along with the veneration of statues - in disobedience to GOD’s second commandment: Thou shalt not MAKE graven images of ANYTHING in heaven or on earth or under the earth! Never mind praying before them: this caused an earlier split between Rome and Constantinople…

Are you sure you’re Catholic? You not only impose your own personal interpretation upon the Bible, you also invent your own version of history. This is bull-oney. .

 

[ProVobis]

The Duoay version of 1582 was translated from Jerome’s Latin Vulgate, despite Erasmus having proved years earlier Jerome to be inaccurate , corrupt and heavily biased towards Rome dogma.

Did it ever occur to them that there could have been some inaccuracies between the Aramaic texts and what ended up as the “official” Greek?