Does the church have equal Authority as the Bible?
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dochawk
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no, not equal at all.
the Bible exists as an exercise of the teaching authority of the church, which selected the canonical books we call “the Bible” from the multitudes available.
This doesn’t suggest an ability for Church and Bible to contradict each other. The Church promulgates the Bible as part of the deposit of faith.
the Bible exists as an exercise of the teaching authority of the church, which selected the canonical books we call “the Bible” from the multitudes available.
This doesn’t suggest an ability for Church and Bible to contradict each other. The Church promulgates the Bible as part of the deposit of faith.
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stpurl
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Only a person can have authority.
The Bible is inerrant God-breathed Scripture (written word of God) but it is not God Himself. The words in the Bible did not magically form themselves into a book, and they do not interpret themselves.
But Scripture does tell us who DOES have authority. St. Paul tells us, when we have concerns, to go to the Church, which is the pillar and bulwark of Truth.
And Matthew tells us what the Church is, St. Peter was the rock on whom Jesus formed the Church, and to whom Jesus gave the keys of the kingdom.
The Bible also tells us what ‘keys of the kingdom’ mean. The King when he had to leave the kingdom would appoint a royal steward or vicar. This person was given ‘the king’s authority’ while the king was away. The kings stored their treasure and locked it away with keys. If they were gone and their people needed the treasure, how could they unlock it? The answer; the man with the king’s authority who had the keys to the treasure to distribute it in the king’s name to his people.
So; who has the authority (the person, Christ’s bride, the church, under the authority of Christ’s steward, the pope) to proclaim the written word (the Bible) and interpret the teachings? That’s your answer. Two necessary things coupled with the third, the ORAL or SPOKEN word of Christ, preserved through the Church, which helps guard and guide the written word as it predated the written words, never contradicts the written word, and as it were is an example of the Trinity itself, being the ‘three things below’ mirroring the Three Divine Persons above.
The Bible is inerrant God-breathed Scripture (written word of God) but it is not God Himself. The words in the Bible did not magically form themselves into a book, and they do not interpret themselves.
But Scripture does tell us who DOES have authority. St. Paul tells us, when we have concerns, to go to the Church, which is the pillar and bulwark of Truth.
And Matthew tells us what the Church is, St. Peter was the rock on whom Jesus formed the Church, and to whom Jesus gave the keys of the kingdom.
The Bible also tells us what ‘keys of the kingdom’ mean. The King when he had to leave the kingdom would appoint a royal steward or vicar. This person was given ‘the king’s authority’ while the king was away. The kings stored their treasure and locked it away with keys. If they were gone and their people needed the treasure, how could they unlock it? The answer; the man with the king’s authority who had the keys to the treasure to distribute it in the king’s name to his people.
So; who has the authority (the person, Christ’s bride, the church, under the authority of Christ’s steward, the pope) to proclaim the written word (the Bible) and interpret the teachings? That’s your answer. Two necessary things coupled with the third, the ORAL or SPOKEN word of Christ, preserved through the Church, which helps guard and guide the written word as it predated the written words, never contradicts the written word, and as it were is an example of the Trinity itself, being the ‘three things below’ mirroring the Three Divine Persons above.
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englands123
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Well said.
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EndTimes
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Not so… The Magisterium is the Teaching Authority of the Church.
And it is 'servant to" Sacred Scriptures - which are in turn - the very WORD of God.
Scriptures are a Part of what the Church IS…
Sacred Scriptures, Sacred Apostolic Tradition and the Magisterium
Catechism of the Catholic Church - Sacred Scripture
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OrbisNonSufficit
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And Muslims disagree with fact Bible has authority. Your point?
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OrbisNonSufficit
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Oh I see now. Thank you for clarification. I was pretty sure poster meant Catholic Church when he said Church… otherwise without further specifications we can’t answer the question. Protestant Churches answer clear “no” while Apostolic Churches don’t.
Anyway, it is clear that Orthodoxy does not agree with Papal prerogatives … because they obviously deny his authority. Other than that their view on this question should be similar to Catholic one- with exception that it gets confusing when determining what Bishops are Magisterium and what Bishops are not. That falls down to private interpretation and hence fallible human judgment. In other words Orthodoxy says some Bishops are right and some are wrong (at least one Bishop being right all the time) with no way to tell who is right.
Anyway, it is clear that Orthodoxy does not agree with Papal prerogatives … because they obviously deny his authority. Other than that their view on this question should be similar to Catholic one- with exception that it gets confusing when determining what Bishops are Magisterium and what Bishops are not. That falls down to private interpretation and hence fallible human judgment. In other words Orthodoxy says some Bishops are right and some are wrong (at least one Bishop being right all the time) with no way to tell who is right.
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Hodos
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Depends on what you mean. The Church does not have authority over God’s word of revelation. The Church has the authority delegated to it to proclaim the Word that God sent down to us. So as long as the Church stays within the authority delegated to it, she is fine. When she wanders outside of that authority or sets herself up as a new authority over God’s word, that’s an issue.
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englands123
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I always thought the Bible is the word of God and it’s original founder.
The Church is founded by his son Jesus Christ.
I dunno good question.
The Church is founded by his son Jesus Christ.
I dunno good question.
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EndTimes
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In the spiritual sense -
The Church is as a Body - And Jesus is its Head -
and ‘We’ are the various members OF The Body of Christ
It is the Temple of God’s Holy Spirit…
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The Church is as a Body - And Jesus is its Head -
and ‘We’ are the various members OF The Body of Christ
It is the Temple of God’s Holy Spirit…
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stpurl
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Perhaps it does, but the Orthodox Church acknowledges ‘equals’ who hold authority, even. If they currently (and they did accept the Pope for the first 1000 years of Christianity) do not give the Pope ‘first place’. The Orthodox Church claims authority through the Patriarchs, not through ‘the Bible’. Correct?
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Ammi
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In this sense, the Church has alot of disease. Their is much heresy within the Church.
Pastors do not personally (face to face) teach, exhort, admonish, discipline Catholics. They are passive, and knowingly allow Catholics to choose their heretical beliefs and lifestyles without any resistance, while handing them Eucharist.
I have personally seen this with every pastor I’ve known.
Pastors do not personally (face to face) teach, exhort, admonish, discipline Catholics. They are passive, and knowingly allow Catholics to choose their heretical beliefs and lifestyles without any resistance, while handing them Eucharist.
I have personally seen this with every pastor I’ve known.
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TheLittleLady
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The Scriptures come from the Church, no VV.
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Gab123
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This is based on 11th century politics, not authentic apostolic church authority. As for Peter being Christ’s steward, the Scriptures are clear (John 21:15-17) and that same command is recognized by the early Church in Peter’s successors.
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Ammi
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Scripture comes from God, through the Church.
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tonyh12
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It’s all divine authority all comes from god all true all innerant assuming. you mean by church - the church teachings which are guided by the Holy Spirit - my 2 cents or 2 pennies as I’m English lol
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EndTimes
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Make that - “some individuals who are amongst (all) the people in the Church”
But not, THE CHURCH itself.
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Ammi
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Those “some individuals” are still “in the Church”. So the Church herself is corrupted to the degree her members are corrupted.Ammi:
Make that - “some individuals who are amongst (all) the people in the Church”
But not, THE CHURCH itself.
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Church Teaching, which is formally defined by the authority of the Church, is pure. Yet many who have authority within the Church teach falsely (or shrink away from exhorting and admonishing the flock) by themselves.
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Ammi
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That’s true for the old testament, yet those Scriptures still came from God, through the prophets (chosen people of God).
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EndTimes
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They’re not only in there.
They’re attacking all forms of AUTHORITY - such as we find - even with this thread,.
The 1st Attempt to destroy Christianity via having Christ Killed - was an Epic Failure…
Through the centuries we know that a Legion of various forms of huge attacks against the Church -
have not eliminated JESUS…
Now? We’re in the Final Mode…
Now? It’s going on: Three Strikes for the Final Ultimate OUT!
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