You asked me for my personal opinion. That was your words. You asked me for my opinion. Now you are making out that I made a claim to knowledge or truth.Its quite easy really… I asked specific questions for a reason:
To determine if you had an open mind to discover truth. (hopefully, you believe truth is discovered not created). Its clear that you do not, therefore I choose not to partner with someone who does not value going after truth. If thats offensive, apologize.
PS: When I mean going after the truth it works both ways, I must be open to the fact that God does not exist. You have failed in that you have already made up your mind… again, why do I want to spend resources on someone so dogmatic? I don’t. Your have blind faith…if it wasn’t blind, you would have never said absolutely no to the possibility of God.
- Michael
A few questions for you to ponder:Sorry, I don’t have that information at hand. If I have time, I will try to find it on the web. But the process is well known. Some of the apocripha were discarded after a long debate. The fact is that the Bible is haphazard collection of many authors, who wrote over many years, but none of the New Testament books were written at least for 40 years after the purported events took place. And lingustic analyses show that most of the books were actually written by many authors, not by the name they are attributed to.
My intention was to determine how dogmatic you are and to determine if you were even open to the possibility that God does exist. I accept that you have blind faith in your dogmatic opinion that God does not exist, and guess what, I’m OK with it. Its your opinion… but, that doesn’t mean I need to partner with you on a discovery of truth.You asked me for my personal opinion. That was your words. You asked me for my opinion. Now you are making out that I made a claim to knowledge or truth.
This is absolutely outrageous, cowardly and wicked. You’re damned right it’s offensive.
What you need to do is be a bit more intellectually honest. This is utterly contemptible. You ask me my opinion and then you make out that I’ve proposed it as some kind of statement of fact or dogma.My intention was to determine how dogmatic you are and to determine if you were even open to the possibility that God does exist. I accept that you have blind faith in your dogmatic opinion that God does not exist, and guess what, I’m OK with it. Its your opinion… but, that doesn’t mean I need to partner with you on a discovery of truth.
- Michael
No, this all incorrect. The apocrypha, from the beginning, were known to be non-apostolic accounts and were only used by gnostics and other heretics. The councils only formalized the canon, which was already being used. You’re also incorrect about your dates. The earliest NT writings occur only 8-10 years after the Ascension, but I don’t know why the distance matters when you consider 1) other historical works occur many hundreds of years and even thousands of years after the events they describe, like with Socrates and Alexander the Great 2) the oral tradition of first-century Jews was exquisitely accurate 3) in light of this tradition, the followers of Christ had no intention of writing anything down. The first point is important because it places the Bible IN A WHOLE OTHER LEAGUE THAN OTHER ANCIENT HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS. That we get it so quickly after the events is UNHEARD OF. As for your linguistic analysis, let us see it. If there are studies which show what you claim, they would hardly be fully reliable and probably be very contentious among scholars since such analysis is fraught with speculation. I think what you’re referring to is the “form-criticism” which determines the originality of what was written. This is a whole other issue and has its own problems, but I digress.Sorry, I don’t have that information at hand. If I have time, I will try to find it on the web. But the process is well known. Some of the apocripha were discarded after a long debate. The fact is that the Bible is haphazard collection of many authors, who wrote over many years, but none of the New Testament books were written at least for 40 years after the purported events took place. And lingustic analyses show that most of the books were actually written by many authors, not by the name they are attributed to.
Moon, you are killin me!!! You put forward a statement that God does not exist, period. I took that at face value and said to myself, this guy/gal is not worth the time because they are so closed minded, why bother. Why is that intellectually dishonest? I’m just responding to what you said?What you need to do is be a bit more intellectually honest. This is utterly contemptible. You ask me my opinion and then you make out that I’ve proposed it as some kind of statement of fact or dogma.
You need to grow up a bit and cultivate a sense of ethical behaviour about yourself. You make me sick.
You asked me if, in my opinion, God exists. If you can’t see the difference between my giving you my opinion and making a statement of fact, then you’re a silly little boy who shouldn’t even be allowed near your daddy’s computer.Moon, you are killin me!!! You put forward a statement that God does not exist, period. I took that at face value and said to myself, this guy/gal is not worth the time because they are so closed minded, why bother. Why is that intellectually dishonest? I’m just responding to what you said?
Can I prove God does not exist? No.At least I am willing to admit that you are right and that God may not exist (see previous post), so who’s the most “intellectually honest” here? The fun part is the discovery of truth! But, again… it requires two people, or multiple, perhaps to at least be open. Since you said absolutely God does not exist, why do I want to waste my time. Can’t you see?
I’m not attacking your argument, to wit: that I consider my personal opinion to be a statement of fact, which is a nonentity to begin with.You’ve gone off the deep end calling me a habitual liar. You don’t even know me to make such an absurd statement. Perhaps you need to take a logic 101 course so you know that attacking the person is not the same as attacking their argument.
Can I prove God does not exist? No.You asked me if, in my opinion, God exists. If you can’t see the difference between my giving you my opinion and making a statement of fact, then you’re a silly little boy who shouldn’t even be allowed near your daddy’s computer.
Can I prove God does not exist? No.
Do I beleive, in my opinion that God does not exist? Yes.
I’m not attacking your argument, to wit: that I consider my personal opinion to be a statement of fact, which is a nonentity to begin with.
I’m attacking your integrity. I’m attacking your humility, I’m attacking your intellect and I’m attacking your honesty.
What’s excellent about it? I’ve already told you my opinion.Can I prove God does not exist? No.
Excellent!
- Michael
Moon, come back tomorrow AM and re-read the post between us and determine who is acting like a child. Name calling, temper tantrums, etc.What’s excellent about it? I’ve already told you my opinion.
I was an atheist before your disgusting little tirade. Since being a theist would involve aligning myself with the likes of you, I’m twice as atheistic now.
Read the last few posts and if you’re a man of any mental penetration, you’ll understand the joke.“I’m twice as atheistic now!”
lol, what childishness. :nope:
I’m not angry, merely treating contemptible behaviour with contempt. Every name I called you is richly deserved.Moon, come back tomorrow AM and re-read the post between us and determine who is acting like a child. Name calling, temper tantrums, etc.
- Michael
I said acting like a child, not angry. You ARE acting like a child with your name calling and other put downs.I’m not angry, merely treating contemptible behaviour with contempt. Every name I called you is richly deserved.
For once, you’re right. I can’t talk to people like you. I expect clarity. Lucidity. Directness… I have no respect for people who ask what appears to be a straight forward question and then move the goal posts to mangle the answers beyond all recognition. All this to load the argument and make the other person look stupid to try to prove a point.I said acting like a child, not angry. You ARE acting like a child with your name calling and other put downs.
This exchange is proof to me that a discussion would not have been possible with you… not sure if you are too emotional, or whatever. But, it would have been fruitless and we’ve both would have not learned anything.
- Michael
I accepted your opinion in good faith and determined that you are not someone I would like to have a discussion with. Why? Because your opinion was fixed and set… therefore, why would I want to discuss any subject when someone already has their opinion formed and completed. If you notice, my 20 or so messages have all been about the above statement.For once, you’re right. I can’t talk to people like you. I expect clarity. Lucidity. Directness… I have no respect for people who ask what appears to be a straight forward question and then move the goal posts to mangle the answers beyond all recognition. All this to load the argument and make the other person look stupid to try to prove a point.
If I give you my opinion, I do so in good faith and trust that you will take my opinion as such. You have broken that trust and I shall not answer any more questions from you. I’ve met your type before. You have to put everyone else down because only that raises you up. From the safety of internet anonymity.
Then why are you? I don’t assume you’re enjoying this interaction any more than I am?I accepted your opinion in good faith and determined that you are not someone I would like to have a discussion with.
My opinion is not fixed. If any verifiable, falsifiable scientific evidence comes to light I shall alter my opinion in accordance with it. Assuming no further evidence does come to light, my position is that there is, in my opinion, no God.Why? Because your opinion was fixed and set… therefore, why would I want to discuss any subject when someone already has their opinion formed and completed. If you notice, my 20 or so messages have all been about the above statement.
That moon is an excellent point… We’ve spent more time discussing the discussion than if God exists or not. Fair enough. Apologize for staying on this topic and have a nice night. No more from me…Then why are you? I don’t assume you’re enjoying this interaction any more than I am?
My opinion is not fixed. If any verifiable, falsifiable scientific evidence comes to light I shall alter my opinion in accordance with it. Assuming no further evidence does come to light, my position is that there is no God.
So for the foreseable future, that is my position and yet again your contention that it is fixed is exists only in your mind.
Good night to you…That moon is an excellent point… We’ve spent more time discussing the discussion than if God exists or not. Fair enough. Apologize for staying on this topic and have a nice night. No more from me…
- Michael