Does the Eastern Church pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet?

[Sunflower15]

I pray the Rosary and the Divine Mercy Chaplet every day at an Adoration Chapel.

I was wondering if Eastern Catholics pray to the Divine Mercy?

And, does the Eastern Church have Adoration of the Exposed Blessed Sacrament?

I guess I’m assuming Eastern Catholics pray the Rosary…no?

Thanks.

 

[Tidus]

I was wondering if Eastern Catholics pray to the Divine Mercy?

I do, so do many others.

And, does the Eastern Church have Adoration of the Exposed Blessed Sacrament?

Firstly there are different branches of the Eastern Church, I am of the Byzantine/Greek Rite (those Catholic Churches who ritually resemble the Greek and Russian Eastern Orthodox), so I can only speak of us.

Because Adoration of the Holy Mystery is considered by many to be a “latinization” and “foreign to the Eastern Church” (although however true most old Eastern Catholics you come across will recount fond memories of doing such things as children, not very foreign in my opinion) you usually will not see Adoration, however it is still common to have it in some parts of Eastern Europe.

I guess I’m assuming Eastern Catholics pray the Rosary…no?

Thanks.

Depends on where you are at, I pray it as do many others but in some parts outside of our countries of origin (America in particular) it is officially discouraged because it is viewed as being “Latin”.

Hope that helps

 

[Aramis]

I pray the Rosary and the Divine Mercy Chaplet every day at an Adoration Chapel.

I was wondering if Eastern Catholics pray to the Divine Mercy?

Not as a corporate devotional. Permitted as a private devotion

And, does the Eastern Church have Adoration of the Exposed Blessed Sacrament?

No. At least not as a proper byzantine practice; it was introduced as a latinization. And it’s being purged from the byzantine praxis.

I guess I’m assuming Eastern Catholics pray the Rosary…no?

It’s a latinization.

The Chotki is used, sometimes called the Jesus Rosary, but it’s not marion prayer. Each bead gets "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Have Mercy on me a Sinner.

Every item you’ve asked about, when done by byzantine parishes, constitutes a latinization, and is illicit, but is fine when done as a personal devotion

 

[wynd]

Not as a corporate devotional. Permitted as a private devotion

No. At least not as a proper byzantine practice; it was introduced as a latinization. And it’s being purged from the byzantine praxis.

It’s a latinization.

The Chotki is used, sometimes called the Jesus Rosary, but it’s not marion prayer. Each bead gets "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Have Mercy on me a Sinner.

Every item you’ve asked about, when done by byzantine parishes, constitutes a latinization, and is illicit, but is fine when done as a personal devotion

Note: For any lurking Latins, this is not to say that Eastern Catholics are anti-Rosary or that they think it’s not a good prayer. It is simply not part of the Eastern tradition.

 

[Sunflower15]

Not as a corporate devotional. Permitted as a private devotion

No. At least not as a proper byzantine practice; it was introduced as a latinization. And it’s being purged from the byzantine praxis.

It’s a latinization.

The Chotki is used, sometimes called the Jesus Rosary, but it’s not marion prayer. Each bead gets "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Have Mercy on me a Sinner.

I always pray that little prayer! I never knew it was Eastern! Is that prayed on the small beads or the large? And, what is prayed on the large ones? Any other preliminary or posterior prayers?

Every item you’ve asked about, when done by byzantine parishes, constitutes a latinization, and is illicit, but is fine when done as a personal devotion

I guess I don’t get the issue with “latinization” if the Pope is acceptable…I’m sure there are historical/cultural reasons though.

 

[Sunflower15]

I do, so do many others.

Firstly there are different branches of the Eastern Church, I am of the Byzantine/Greek Rite (those Catholic Churches who ritually resemble the Greek and Russian Eastern Orthodox), so I can only speak of us.

Because Adoration of the Holy Mystery is considered by many to be a “latinization” and “foreign to the Eastern Church” (although however true most old Eastern Catholics you come across will recount fond memories of doing such things as children, not very foreign in my opinion) you usually will not see Adoration, however it is still common to have it in some parts of Eastern Europe.

Honestly, I don’t get the issue about “latinization” if we are all Catholic, but the main thing I really don’t understand is why was it “genuine” enough in Europe but not in the US! In other words, if in Eastern Europe, where the Eastern Church comes from, they do “it”, why not here?! I have to tell you, the Latin church can ban it, and I would still find my way to it!

Depends on where you are at, I pray it as do many others but in some parts outside of our countries of origin (America in particular) it is officially discouraged because it is viewed as being “Latin”.

Hope that helps

 

[SyroMalankara]

I guess I don’t get the issue with “latinization” if the Pope is acceptable…I’m sure there are historical/cultural reasons though.

The reason is that: firstly, the Popes and Councils have been telling the Eastern Churches to REMOVE latinizations and reclaim our authentic heritage; secondly, we have our own ways of praying that are equally valid, sometimes when we disregard ours for Latin devotions, we tend to forget our own and they are lost to future generations; thirdly, just because the Pope accepts something for one place, doesn’t mean he intends for it to be mimicked universally - for example: the Pope uses unleavened bread for Masses, if we did the same, we’d be in violation of the Canons; another example: The Holy Father prays the Roman Rite, yet there are Latin Church parishes in Toledo, Spain which have preserved the Ancient and Venerable Mozarabic Rites - should they abandon them because the Pope doesn’t use the exact same Rites? If they do, that would be a loss for the entire Catholic Church…

 

[Aramis]

Fundamentally, Each Rite is theologically integrated; it’s traditions, liturgy, devotionals, and unique theologumenia combine to a valuable expression of that Rite; to be honest, even different particular churches of the same Rite and even Tradition (sub-rite, if you will) differ. The Ukrainian and Ruthenian Churches Sui Iuris are both from one source; Popes Pious XII, Paul VI, John Paul II, and Benedict XVI, and the Second Vatican Council’s Sacred Congregaton on the Eastern Churches, ALL took actions encouraging continued return to our ancient and authentic ways.

So much so as to cause Paul VI remove a Bishop, His Grace Nicholas + Elko, from his see, and to make him an Auxiliary Bishop in the Roman Rite. (He was taking one of the more latinized churches sui iuris and making it more so… wanting Iconostasi removed, amongst other issues.)

Delatinization has been a priority. Part of delatinization, however, was also the privilege of transferring from one church to another was eased.

There is nothing wrong with the latin public devotions, within the context of the latin church. But it would be just as wrong to Byzantify, Chaldeanize, Syroize, Coptify, or Armenianize the Roman Church.

 

[theistgal]

The question posed in the OP seems to me to have a basic flaw: no Church, Eastern or Western, prays the Divine Mercy Chaplet. It’s a private devotion, not a liturgy, and therefore, wouldn’t be prayed “by” any church, Eastern or Western.

(Now it might be prayed in a church, but that’s not the same thing. )

 

[Sunflower15]

Fundamentally, Each Rite is theologically integrated; it’s traditions, liturgy, devotionals, and unique theologumenia combine to a valuable expression of that Rite; to be honest, even different particular churches of the same Rite and even Tradition (sub-rite, if you will) differ. The Ukrainian and Ruthenian Churches Sui Iuris are both from one source; Popes Pious XII, Paul VI, John Paul II, and Benedict XVI, and the Second Vatican Council’s Sacred Congregaton on the Eastern Churches, ALL took actions encouraging continued return to our ancient and authentic ways.

So much so as to cause Paul VI remove a Bishop, His Grace Nicholas + Elko, from his see, and to make him an Auxiliary Bishop in the Roman Rite. (He was taking one of the more latinized churches sui iuris and making it more so… wanting Iconostasi removed, amongst other issues.)

Delatinization has been a priority. Part of delatinization, however, was also the privilege of transferring from one church to another was eased.

There is nothing wrong with the latin public devotions, within the context of the latin church. But it would be just as wrong to Byzantify, Chaldeanize, Syroize, Coptify, or Armenianize the Roman Church.

Oh, no! I wouldn’t want for everyone to be the same. I had misunderstood that originally, back home, the traditions were similar, and THEN, they were artificially “controlled”. Like, some remembered from back home devotion to the Blessed Sacrament, and now HERE that church doesn’t allow it.
Now, one thing is to pray differently, or have different rituals, but the Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament…that is a different matter, no?

Please, don’t think I was implying everyone should be the same…not at all! Actually, one of the things I like the best about the Catholic church [and I didn’t even know about all this diversity!] is that different spiritualities are encouraged, such as Franciscan, Carmelite, etc., and different cultural heritages.

For example, I’m drawn to the Infant of Prague…about Whom I frankly don’t know much. I’m not sure whether that is originally Western or Eastern…but I love that concept of the Child King! I haven’t seen that anywhere else…

Thanks for sharing all this knowledge with me!

 

[Sunflower15]

The question posed in the OP seems to me to have a basic flaw: no Church, Eastern or Western, prays the Divine Mercy Chaplet. It’s a private devotion, not a liturgy, and therefore, wouldn’t be prayed “by” any church, Eastern or Western.

(Now it might be prayed in a church, but that’s not the same thing. )

Hm, m, well…if you mean as in a Liturgy. No, of course not. What I mean is that my parish has an Adoration Chapel named the Divine Mercy Chapel, with stained glass windows and wall paintings of the Divine Mercy image. We also have times where the parish members come together, and collectively pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet…I’m not sure of the distinction you are making…I was just wondering if members of the Eastern church also have that devotion…especially since it is from Poland… [a lot closer to them than to the US]

 

[Sunflower15]

Does someone know how to pray the Chokti?

What is the prayer for the small beads?

And, for the large ones?

Are there the same number of beads?

What is said on the first few beads?

Thanks!

 

[theistgal]

Hm, m, well…if you mean as in a Liturgy. No, of course not. What I mean is that my parish has an Adoration Chapel named the Divine Mercy Chapel, with stained glass windows and wall paintings of the Divine Mercy image. We also have times where the parish members come together, and collectively pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet…I’m not sure of the distinction you are making…I was just wondering if members of the Eastern church also have that devotion…especially since it is from Poland… [a lot closer to them than to the US]

That’s very nice that your church does that!

The distinction I was making is that the Divine Mercy chaplet is a private devotion, so when you asked “does the Eastern Church pray it”, my answer would be “No” - however, that doesn’t mean that individual Eastern Catholics (and Christians) don’t pray it.

 

[JMJ_coder]

Sometimes the de-latinizations go overboard. Certainly, some devotions are Latin and are not traditionally Greek, Syriac, etc. If they want to return to a more traditional devotion for the Byzantines over the Stations of the Cross, that’s fine. But, all things don’t need to be discarded just because they didn’t originate in your tradition.

So what if the Rosary was developed in the West – it is such a great prayer (universal as several Popes have written), that it shouldn’t be objected if a Byzantine Parish wishes to say it before Liturgy. I know someone here will chime in that they should rather say Matins or an Akathist – not that these are good prayers. They too, can be said before Liturgy, but truly such universal devotions such as the Rosary have a definite place in all the Catholic Churches.

The door swings both ways. Just because the Latin Church has for the last 500+ years been traditional using statues and religious art doesn’t mean that we can’t adopt icons. Of course, this is more of a re-introduction as the Latin Church has had a vibrant iconographic tradition.

As for Eucharistic Adoration, that isn’t a devotion, that is the heart of our faith. I don’t understand any Catholic who would want to get rid of Adoration (there is nothing aside from the Eucharistic Liturgy that can substitute it). To say I don’t want Eucharistic Adoration in my parish is to say I don’t want to worship God at my parish.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Sometimes the de-latinizations go overboard. Certainly, some devotions are Latin and are not traditionally Greek, Syriac, etc. If they want to return to a more traditional devotion for the Byzantines over the Stations of the Cross, that’s fine. But, all things don’t need to be discarded just because they didn’t originate in your tradition.

So what if the Rosary was developed in the West – it is such a great prayer (universal as several Popes have written), that it shouldn’t be objected if a Byzantine Parish wishes to say it before Liturgy. I know someone here will chime in that they should rather say Matins or an Akathist – not that these are good prayers. They too, can be said before Liturgy, but truly such universal devotions such as the Rosary have a definite place in all the Catholic Churches.

The door swings both ways. Just because the Latin Church has for the last 500+ years been traditional using statues and religious art doesn’t mean that we can’t adopt icons. Of course, this is more of a re-introduction as the Latin Church has had a vibrant iconographic tradition.

As for Eucharistic Adoration, that isn’t a devotion, that is the heart of our faith. I don’t understand any Catholic who would want to get rid of Adoration (there is nothing aside from the Eucharistic Liturgy that can substitute it). To say I don’t want Eucharistic Adoration in my parish is to say I don’t want to worship God at my parish.

Latin devotions are fine but when they replace a Byzantine Tradition then it is should be removed.

Also, a devotion, which is a private prayer practice, should never replace a Liturgy, which is the public prayer of the Church.

So in your example, Matins should never be replaced with the public recitation of the Rosary.

As for your comment on Icons, they are not replacing anything in the Latin Church, they are an addition.

Eucharistic Adoration is a devotion, Benediction is the Liturgical element that is used with Eucharistic Adoration which is the part that is not a devotion. This is foreign to the Byzantine tradition, really it is impossible as leavened bread can not fit into a monstrance.

It is very offensive when Latin Catholics do as you are doing especially so in your case when you judge us the way you are doing. We have Eucharist Adoration, it takes place during the Divine Liturgy. To tell us that if we say we do not want Eucharist Adoration outside of the Divine Liturgy is to say that we do not want to worship God is ignorant.

I am sorry that you can not understand us but that is not our problem.

We have been called by the Church to restore our traditions and to remove the latinizations, that is enough for me.

I would also like to give you a word of caution to be careful of what you say and how you say it.

When you say…

To say I don’t want Eucharistic Adoration in my parish is to say I don’t want to worship God at my parish.

Can be taken by some to be saying that if they chose not to practice the devotion f Eucharistic Adoration that you believe that they do not want to worship God.

 

[Volodymyr]

Does someone know how to pray the Chokti?

What is the prayer for the small beads?

And, for the large ones?

Are there the same number of beads?

Is no official way to pray using chotki. Various kind chotki come with just 10, 100 or 100’s of businki (knots or small spheres)

My practice: I Pray on large businka beginning of psalter 140.

Господи, воззвах к Тебе, услыши мя: вонми гласу моления моего, внегда воззвати ми к Тебе. ** Да исправится молитва моя, яко кадило пред Тобою,
**

(Lord, I call to your, hear me and heed the voice of my prayer at this time I raise to you. Make correct my prayer so is as an incenser before you)

Follow after Large, 10 small businki: On such 10 small businki I pray the Our Pater.

Some chotki businki are all same size - so I must to count which is 11th for psalm 140 prayer.

Common other practice:

On large businka prayer Our Pater and on small prayer the Isusova Molitva or simply, Lord have mercy.

 

[Sunflower15]

Latin devotions are fine but when they replace a Byzantine Tradition then it is should be removed.

Also, a devotion, which is a private prayer practice, should never replace a Liturgy, which is the public prayer of the Church.

So in your example, Matins should never be replaced with the public recitation of the Rosary.

As for your comment on Icons, they are not replacing anything in the Latin Church, they are an addition.

Eucharistic Adoration is a devotion, Benediction is the Liturgical element that is used with Eucharistic Adoration which is the part that is not a devotion. This is foreign to the Byzantine tradition, really it is impossible as leavened bread can not fit into a monstrance.

That seems like a very good reason why it is not done.

It is very offensive when Latin Catholics do as you are doing especially so in your case when you judge us the way you are doing. We have Eucharist Adoration, it takes place during the Divine Liturgy. To tell us that if we say we do not want Eucharist Adoration outside of the Divine Liturgy is to say that we do not want to worship God is ignorant.

So, you do have Eucharistic Adoration, just not 24/7 like we do… I would never say that you don’t want to worhip God, and I don’t think it was meant quite they way you thought.
It’s just that since we are used to having it 24/7, we would feel “deprived” but of course, just as in Latin Catholic parishes where this is not available, if it hasn’t been offered, then it’s not missed.

I am sorry that you can not understand us but that is not our problem.

Is it common for Latin Catholics to in any way “disrespect” the Eastern church? I’m asking because you sound extremely defensive, and I have never heard anything at ALL against the Eastern church.

We have been called by the Church to restore our traditions and to remove the latinizations, that is enough for me.

I would also like to give you a word of caution to be careful of what you say and how you say it.

Point taken. Apparently, there is a reason why you are reacting the way that you are. It seems like “overkill” to me, but I do not have the “background” to understand. I’m just now trying to learn the differences, without ANY intent to offend. The traditions of the East, to me, seem extremely beautiful! I am glad that you are “rediscovering” them. I wouldn’t want them lost to posterity!

I guess Westerners really mean more to “add” rather than to.“replace”.

When you say…

Can be taken by some to be saying that if they chose not to practice the devotion f Eucharistic Adoration that you believe that they do not want to worship God.

 

[twf]

The Latin Church has adopted customs from the East in the past…and the East, before and since the Schism, has adopted customs from the West. Can there be no exchange between the two? The Armenian Church, for example, even those Armenian Christians NOT in communion with Rome, maintain certain “Latinizations” such as the “Last Gospel”…they don’t have a problem with doing so.

 

[bkovacs]

I pray the Rosary and the Divine Mercy Chaplet every day at an Adoration Chapel.

I was wondering if Eastern Catholics pray to the Divine Mercy?

And, does the Eastern Church have Adoration of the Exposed Blessed Sacrament?

I guess I’m assuming Eastern Catholics pray the Rosary…no?

Thanks.

Do Roman Catholics pray the Agpeya, (Coptic Book of Hours) or the Jesus Prayer (with prayer rope)?. Different Rite and different practices. Most don’t. These are Roman Rite traditions, not Eastern.

 

[Aramis]

There are several different rules.

I use the same opening prayers as the prayers before liturgy, then 150 “Lord Have Mercies” or 33 or 150 “Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner” or “Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me a sinner.”

St Anne’s in New Port Richey (Been there! Nice place and people) has the Russian Rule of the Mother of God up; it’s another Chotki usage and a Jesus Chotki
stanne-byzcath.org/eastern%20rosary.htm
stanne-byzcath.org/eastern_jesus_prayer__chotki.htm

so it varies… a LOT.

Coder:
To the byzantine sensibilities and theology, Adoration of the blessed sacrament is almost (some orthodox drop the almost) disrespectful; that which we honor we veil, not display nakedly. Roman style adoration is counter to the liturgical and theological norms of the Byzantine Rite in its many forms.

While Adoration’s been part of Ukrainian praxis for about 100 years, and also Ruthenian, the majority complaining about its absence are displaced Roman Traditionalists who wouldn’t go SSPX, but can’t stand the Roman OF…

And one is welcome to adore Christ in Byzantine parishes in the byzantine way: To know his flesh is in the tabernacle, and to gaze upon the Icon of Him, and to listen to the sounds of the parish, and smell the residual incense, and absorb the sense of his presence… to spend quiet time in prayer before the iconostas. To, with others, lift your voice in Akathist or the Hours.

As for the Rosary… my home parish has a weekly rosary… right before sunday 3rd hour. 9:15 Rosary, 9:30 3rd Hour, and 10:00 sharp, Rev. Father begins Proskomedia.