Does the Immaculate Conception seem a bit... unfair?

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Does the Immaculate Conception seem a bit… unfair? I hate to ask it so bluntly, but I always think that the rest of us creatures could have an easier shot at heaven without the encumbrance of original sin. 🙂

Is the answer to this dilemma the fact that Adam and Eve didn’t know original sin either, as Our Lady is the new Eve? Even in that case, God had guarded her from the beginning, in a way that (as far as I know) Eve would not have experienced…
To me? Entirely.
 
Does the Immaculate Conception seem a bit… unfair? I hate to ask it so bluntly,** but I always think that the rest of us creatures could have an easier shot at heaven without the encumbrance of original sin. 🙂 **
I think one is mistaken when one looks at the Blessed Mother’s Immaculate Conception with envy and covetousness.

It is no different than saying it’s not fair when certain saints avoided Mortal Sin from the beginning, or even most venial sins in their life.
Conversely, it is no different than when one who devotes their whole lives to the Lord, envy the forgiveness given to a rebellious sinner who repents in his last hour.
The absurd notion of “unfairness” as we perceive it. ]

Also this mistake in the perception of Mary, the Lord corrects in scripture the faithful’s understanding of why the Blessed Mother is called Blessed.

*“Rather Blessed are those who HEAR God’s word, and KEEP IT” *

Mary merited to be Immaculately Conceived because her will was perfect on Earth and God saw that. God foreknows what we will do, and it requires much more prayer and contemplation of the Cross and the Hour of the Lord which Mary accelerated at the feast of Cana.

If God were to spare you from being touched by the stain of Sin , would you be proud enough to say, I would never forsake you, MY WILL is just as perfect as Mary’s and will be KEPT?

Mary did NOT sin on Earth, MERELY* because* she was free from knowing its effects, she chose God more because given the first actions of the first parents, she knew the destructiveness that comes, more than any of us, who commit such sins. Just as SHE knew what it was like to know what happens when a person sins, and Mortal Sin, without ever committing sin personally during those moments when the Christ Child was at the Temple and she went out looking for him, physically losing him. As Bishop Sheen’s prayer reflections pointed out, the Loss of God, is the sense of sin. How many times did Mary lose her son??

Do we think that we would have been as prepared for the immaculate conception? When Mary bore the sufferings of giving birth to a child destined not to live, but his vocation was to death?

That is why this question is absurd. The humility of Mary is what saved her, and merited the freedom from having ever been touched by Satan, as Christ willed the sacrificial work of the cross in her conception.

Would any Catholic dare say, I am just as humble as Mary to merit being Immaculately conceived??
 
Is the answer to this dilemma the fact that Adam and Eve didn’t know original sin either, as Our Lady is the new Eve? Even in that case, God had guarded her from the beginning, in a way that (as far as I know) Eve would not have experienced…
As Memaw pointed out earlier, they knew FULL well what they were doing.

Eve did not sin because God didn’t do enough to protect her. A priest has said, that the sin at the Garden was full cooperation with the devil. It was done out of Malice. They WANTED it.
Mary was with God always, spouse of the Holy Spirit. Adam and Eve were with God, physically and they had God’s life, the Holy Spirit with them too. They walked with God. To walk with God?? when is his Grace ever enough to avoid sinning? It was not a sin out of weakness but intent.

To think that Adam and Eve were just duped and not guarded enough by God, like Mary is, is no different than thinking our personal actions hardly ever lead to Mortal Sin.
They walked with God, so this wasn’t just some sin the way* we* fall to weakness. So the very question is asked in ignorance of what it means to be free from Original sin!!

So to get back to the question, Adam and Eve PROVE against your suggestion.
To be made perfectly free from the effects of original sin ARE NOT enough to guarantee your SALVATION or make it “EASIER” because one’s will can still chose against God, while on Earth.

Were you or I to be free of the stain, we would fall at some point in our lives,* I know this by Faith*, as there is only ONE Immaculate Conception as declared by the Church. One would continue a new line of the sin of Adam and Eve, and , so no you would not have it easier, you would probably have the suffering of a greater condemnation, given that we have BOTH Adam and Eve (who were forgiven even later in Genesis) and Mary and Joseph as parents.

The sin and inclination to blame someone else for our own faults and failings in Scripture is again proved on this thread by some posts that we ALL have the sin of Adam.

" It was the woman YOU gave me who gave me the fruit, and I ate it. " Adam blaming God, the way the devil would, and taught him well at that moment. Hence , the Malice.
Ungrateful for the gift, his spouse given to him freely by God.

The finger is being pointed at God again in this thread, because we do not understand the sufferings of both Mary and Christ, and how they provide hope in spite of the circumstances of this fallen world due to what Adam and Eve committed.

As Catholics we are called to be realists.

You are not immaculately conceived, and to desire it to make things ‘easier’ or ‘fairer’ is a waste of time. It is no different than blaming our parents Adam and Eve, and wondering* ‘if they could have just*’ The fact is they did, it’s done and we are to worry about our own salvation because we now have a way out.

As Jesus said, regarding God’s plan for another individual’s salvation, (John)

*“What is that to you? Follow me” *

To call God unfair is to suggest that we could have planned our creation better than he.

As God rebuked St. Paul when he asked three times to have the thorn in his side removed ,* “My Grace is enough for you” *

Not many Catholics today believe that his grace is enough anymore as is, when the Church teaches that Mortal Sin can be avoided and eliminated altogether, Christ always gives us an escape, and even deliberate venial sins can be avoided. Knowing that we’d have a better understanding of the Blessed Mother’s gift to us,* " Our tainted nature’s solitary boast."*

and these ludicrous questions would not even cross our minds.
 
I’ll have to scroll back through this thread, but allow me to say that I meant no disrespect to the Immaculate Mother of God, I was just asking a question.
 
Why do you believe in God? :confused:
I believe in God all right. I’ve had far too many experiences to doubt that.

What I have trouble with is the Black Death killing one third of Europe’s population, a tidal wave that kills 300,000 people (and mostly poor people at that), the holocaust, two world wars, etc. and then trying to rationalise “God is Love”.

Maybe He is, but it would help if someone would explain what precisely they mean when they make an over-arching statement like that.
 
I believe in God all right. I’ve had far too many experiences to doubt that.

What I have trouble with is the Black Death killing one third of Europe’s population, a tidal wave that kills 300,000 people (and mostly poor people at that), the holocaust, two world wars, etc. and then trying to rationalise “God is Love”.

Maybe He is, but it would help if someone would explain what precisely they mean when they make an over-arching statement like that.
You need to explain how God could have prevented disasters without revealing that a benevolent Power exists, depriving us of our freedom to choose what to believe and how to live.
 
I believe in God all right. I’ve had far too many experiences to doubt that.
What I have trouble with is the Black Death killing one third of Europe’s population, a tidal wave that kills 300,000 people (and mostly poor people at that), the holocaust, two world wars, etc. and then trying to rationalize “God is Love”.
Maybe He is, but it would help if someone would explain what precisely they mean when they make an over-arching statement like that.
The types of instances were particularly troubling to me as I read and read to try to build and improve my faith, especially when you add in omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence. I’m still struggling with it and suspect that I may for some time.
 
I believe in God all right. I’ve had far too many experiences to doubt that.

What I have trouble with is the Black Death killing one third of Europe’s population, a tidal wave that kills 300,000 people (and mostly poor people at that), the holocaust, two world wars, etc. and then trying to rationalise “God is Love”.

Maybe He is, but it would help if someone would explain what precisely they mean when they make an over-arching statement like that.
And don’t forget the Flood and also our modern day Abortion rights etc.,etc,.etc. We don’t seem to learn do we? Jesus will seperate the wheat from the chaff at the last judgment and then you can ask them if those in Heaven are better off for it. We see things thru dark glasses. God Bless, Memaw
 
And don’t forget the Flood and also our modern day Abortion rights etc.,etc,.etc. We don’t seem to learn do we? Jesus will seperate the wheat from the chaff at the last judgment and then you can ask them if those in Heaven are better off for it. We see things thru dark glasses. God Bless, Memaw
in short review:" it would help if someone would explain what precisely they mean when they make an over-arching statement like that."
well ask jesus, being that someone…i prove it possible…

My own idea from the man in the mirror-i look at the man in the mirror-i have a concept of God as a monster, sometimes…a concept comprehensive of nature and my death-as the man in the mirror is introspective; he reflects-could not God shrink to a moment? my cynicism delayed?
in reply, Father Peter Eymard asked once:" Why is jesus in the most blessed sacrament?"
I paraphrAse … to cure me, as suffering has been there so long-i need it…to strengthen and restore…I add, the man in the mirror speaks; if it could be said the man in the mirror deserves no love for his own evil, even so-jesus in the eucharist speaks- -in Eymard’s terms…" …O Jesus say one word…" pg 206*

*A EUCHARISTIC HANDBOOK, EYMARD
 
Yeah, it is “unfair.” If God was “fair”, He’d give all of us the justice we deserve.
 
God chose certain people for a particular mission, task or role in his divine plan. Was it fair that Mary was conceived without original sin and not the rest of us? Perhaps not. I’m not sure if that question would really get us anywhere. We are not God nor can we truly understand the ways of God. Why were Abraham, Moses or John the Baptist chosen? God only knows. But we should be forever grateful to Our Lady.
 
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