Does the Lord condone polygamy?

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mark_a said:
I find it revealing that post-Jesus so-called prophets (Muhammed, Smith, Koresh, Jones, etc.) allow themselves the perks of, among other sexual liberties, at least a few extra women.
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…and young girls, always very young girls.
 
This AM I attended a funeral Mass for the deceased father of a family friend (son is 58 yrs old)who is a Mormon. Per the Mormon doctrine is this deceased man in eternal / celestial polygamy or ?? What are the options for the dead? And if safe in celestial polygamy land is physical intimacy part of the scene w/ how many women? I am trying to wrap my mind around the thinking of this Mormon friend re: his father married to 1 woman 50 yrs.
 
MJE said:
This AM I attended a funeral Mass for the deceased father of a family friend (son is 58 yrs old)who is a Mormon. Per the Mormon doctrine is this deceased man in eternal / celestial polygamy or ?? What are the options for the dead? And if safe in celestial polygamy land is physical intimacy part of the scene w/ how many women? I am trying to wrap my mind around the thinking of this Mormon friend re: his father married to 1 woman 50 yrs.
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It is not kind to speak ill of the dead. If this man was married to 1 woman for 50 years, it is likely that’s what he intended for all time.

Anyway, the Mormon idea of multiple wives and being the god of your own world and whatever else may be fanciful, so it isn’t anything you need to worry about.

Think about how much you loved the man who died, how much he taught you, what a good man he was. That’s enough. Don’t worry about what Mormons may think. You don’t need to worry about that.
 
mark_a said:
I find it revealing that post-Jesus so-called prophets (Muhammed, Smith, Koresh, Jones, etc.) allow themselves the perks of, among other sexual liberties, at least a few extra women.
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Yep. Wonder I that is. Hmm…
 
MJE said:
This AM I attended a funeral Mass for the deceased father of a family friend (son is 58 yrs old)who is a Mormon. Per the Mormon doctrine is this deceased man in eternal / celestial polygamy or ?? What are the options for the dead? And if safe in celestial polygamy land is physical intimacy part of the scene w/ how many women? I am trying to wrap my mind around the thinking of this Mormon friend re: his father married to 1 woman 50 yrs.
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Who is the Mormon, the deceased father, or the family friend? If it was not the deceased father, then he would have to be “sealed” to his wife in a temple, by proxy, according to their theology.

Also, from my understanding, he would not be in “celestial polygamy”. The scenario where that comes into play is when a man is sealed to his wife, but then she dies. He is then free to re-marry and be sealed to another woman, without “canceling” the previous sealing. So, this situation seems to point to a belief that the man will be eternally sealed to both women for eternity.
 
CatholicGuyNY said:
Who is the Mormon, the deceased father, or the family friend? If it was not the deceased father, then he would have to be “sealed” to his wife in a temple, by proxy, according to their theology.

Also, from my understanding, he would not be in “celestial polygamy”. The scenario where that comes into play is when a man is sealed to his wife, but then she dies. He is then free to re-marry and be sealed to another woman, without “canceling” the previous sealing. So, this situation seems to point to a belief that the man will be eternally sealed to both women for eternity.
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From my understanding he’s in the Spirit World now. There are two sides of the Spirit World - one good for the good people and one bad for the bad people. Missionaries from the good side can visit the bad side and preach the gospel. Everyone waits in the Spirit World until Christ returns.
 
TikiTokiguy said:
From my understanding he’s in the Spirit World now. There are two sides of the Spirit World - one good for the good people and one bad for the bad people. Missionaries from the good side can visit the bad side and preach the gospel. Everyone waits in the Spirit World until Christ returns.
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I think the Church believes Smith is already exulted eternally making babies with all his women.
 
The deceased was a Catholic buried in the Catholic church. His adult son has been a Mormon for 30 yrs.
 
Whyme would have us believe that God condoned Joseph using his self-proclaimed prophet status to fool women into his clutches
 
TikiTokiguy said:
From my understanding he’s in the Spirit World now. There are two sides of the Spirit World - one good for the good people and one bad for the bad people. Missionaries from the good side can visit the bad side and preach the gospel. Everyone waits in the Spirit World until Christ returns.
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A Mormon purgatory, perhaps?
 
why_me said:
A former mormon catholic was misinformed about the secrecy of polygamy. It was no secret at all as I just proved. That was my point. Now of course, I don’t expect the former mormon catholic to change their mind. In fact, they will stick to their viewpoint. But the truth is out there for all to read. It was no secret.
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Since you’re willing to go to your death defending Joseph Smith’s “prophethood,” answer me this:

How many false prophecies does it take to be considered a false prophet?
 
why_me said:
Wouldn’t it be better to simply keep quiet about polygamy if Joseph was just a libidinous leader? Joseph persisted, however, in trying to introduce others to “the Principle.” He did make some efforts to teach plural marriage publicly–he seemed willing to accept the risk from non-members if the Church would support him. Heber C. Kimball wrote, in 1882:

On a certain Sabbath morning, previous to the return of the Apostles from Europe, in 1841, [Joseph] astonished his hearers by preaching on the restoration of all things, and said that as it was anciently with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, so it would be again
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I didn’t make myself as clear as I should have.

Smith always publicly denied the church’s polygamy, which all of your quotes clearly illustrated, thank you.
 
TikiTokiguy said:
I think the Church believes Smith is already exulted eternally making babies with all his women.
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That seems a good assumption because we already know that he gets to okay everyone going to Heaven, right? No one gets to exhaltation with a Heavenly hallpass from Joseph Smith.
 
Returning_Home said:
Since you’re willing to go to your death defending Joseph Smith’s “prophethood,” answer me this:

How many false prophecies does it take to be considered a false prophet?
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I don’t think he’s going to be able to answer your question for a while.

Check out his status.
 
God having sex with Mary, polygamy needed to get to the highest level in heaven, polygamy in the afterlife, Jesus being married with lots of wives, phallic worship in the temples. Hmm… One would think sex was on the mind of the people who created the LDS religion. Of course they will just say it’s on my mind, not theirs.
 
TikiTokiguy said:
God having sex with Mary, polygamy needed to get to the highest level in heaven, polygamy in the afterlife, Jesus being married with lots of wives, phallic worship in the temples. Hmm… One would think sex was on the mind of the people who created the LDS religion. Of course they will just say it’s on my mind, not theirs.
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Let’s be accurate when discussing Mormonism. I attended the LDS temple many times during my 11-year membership (1975-1986). I can tell you that the temple ceremonies are plenty weird and pointless, but there is no “phallic worship”. Don’t know what you are referring to there.
 
PaulDupre said:
Let’s be accurate when discussing Mormonism. I attended the LDS temple many times during my 11-year membership (1975-1986). I can tell you that the temple ceremonies are plenty weird and pointless, but there is no “phallic worship”. Don’t know what you are referring to there.
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I’ve baptized the dead but have not been thru the whole temple process. But this from the
Fawn Brodie book, at least in the beginning:

“The close affinity of religious and phallic rites is a common place in social history, and Mormon ritual doubtless had its roots in the same unconscious drives that led the prophet into polygamy. The endowment ceremony was essentially fertility worship, but it’s basic nature was so camouflaged that only the skeptical felt a sense of outrage.”

Ok, I said phalic worhip when I should have said “fertily worship.” But Brodie does mention “phallic rites” so I’m not off the mark by much, if at all.
 
PaulDupre said:
Let’s be accurate when discussing Mormonism. I attended the LDS temple many times during my 11-year membership (1975-1986). I can tell you that the temple ceremonies are plenty weird and pointless, but there is no “phallic worship”. Don’t know what you are referring to there.
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Agreed. While I don’t have Paul’s 1st hand experience, the “phallic” thing is new to me too. I have never read anything about the mormon temple ceremony that asserted that.

Yes, it is true that there are several secret “handshakes” (apparently derived from Masons.) Yes, it is true that the Mormon faithful wear what most of us would describe as a rather strange outfit, which includes the Masonic “apron”, re-characterized as an apron protecting themselves in the Garden of Eden.

But if there was phallic worship, it is hard to know, from the eyewitness accounts, what that was.
 
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