does the Orthodox church receive as much vitriol as the Catholic Church

[Reuben_J]

The Greeks should have asked the Latins nicely not to brandish their Bulls of Excommunication in the sanctuary.

They should have more dinners together. Occupying each other city could hardly be nice.

 

[Cavaradossi]

Right, but prior to the laying down of the bull when they were first greeted it was a warm welcome from what I recall reading. It was after the bull that the tone changed in severity.

It depends on who and when. The emperor was friendly with them. The Patriarch was not. Most of the clergy were. Cardinal Humbert at first tried to work with the emperor to force the Patriarch to cooperate on pain of deposition, but Cardinal Humbert made an enormous misstep, by disseminating propaganda against the Greek rite in Constantinople. This turned the clergy against him (making canonically deposing Patriarch Michael an impossibility). Left with no other options left to effect a peace settlement between Rome and Constantinople on the issue of the closing of all Latin rite parishes in Constantinople and the dissemination of anti-Greek rite propaganda in Southern Italy, Cardinal Humbert wrote the bull of excommunication out of frustration and left the city after delivering it.

 

[Reuben_J]

Cardinal Humbert wrote the bull of excommunication out of frustration and left the city after delivering it.

Had there was less of a hostility and more peace, perhaps the excommunication could have been overturned. Humbert should have returned to Rome and get fresh order from the Pope instead of doing a one-man mission like a little Napoleon.

 

[ConstantineTG]

Had there was less of a hostility and more peace, perhaps the excommunication could have been overturned. Humbert should have returned to Rome and get fresh order from the Pope instead of doing a one-man mission like a little Napoleon.

Relations was already going down the drain by this point. And the excommunication only flushed it down further and quicker.

 

[Surnaturel]

It depends on who and when. The emperor was friendly with them. The Patriarch was not. Most of the clergy were. Cardinal Humbert at first tried to work with the emperor to force the Patriarch to cooperate on pain of deposition, but Cardinal Humbert made an enormous misstep, by disseminating propaganda against the Greek rite in Constantinople. This turned the clergy against him (making canonically deposing Patriarch Michael an impossibility). Left with no other options left to effect a peace settlement between Rome and Constantinople on the issue of the closing of all Latin rite parishes in Constantinople and the dissemination of anti-Greek rite propaganda in Southern Italy, Cardinal Humbert wrote the bull of excommunication out of frustration and left the city after delivering it.

Yes, we agree here. I had never heard of the patriarch’s reception of them though.

 

[Zooey]

In my opinion, our good Orthodox brothers in Christ have endured much in the last 100 years that we need to keep in our minds.

In the last 100 years, the’ve been killed for their beliefs, had their churches burned down and had to go underground, had their children indoctrinated to ‘rat’ them out. We really should study the history of what happened to the Orthodox when secular governments took control and did their best to eradicate them.

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We don’t have a lot of professional Jack Chick-style haters out there, but I would much prefer that. Instead our congregations in the Middle East deal with things like this:

Our churches being bombed mid-service

Warning: not for the faint of heart. The priests are repeating “There’s nothing wrong” (mafeesh haga) to try to calm the people after the bomb explodes, and they continue with the prayers; 22 people lost their lives that night, and they continued to praise God amid the destruction and death. Somehow I doubt that’s something that anyone here can relate to (I know I sure can’t), and it’s something I’d like the posters here who make snide remarks about Orthodoxy to keep in mind.

Massacres in which scores of Copts are murdered in cold blood by mobs and nobody is held accountable

Monasteries being destroyed by rampaging mobs (in the case of Abu Fana, the monastery pictured here, monks were kidnapped, beaten, and their kidnappers attempted to get them renounce Christianity, convert to Islam, and spit on the cross…)

Sometimes the army attacks the monasteries, too (for building a wall to protect their monastery from the kinds of mobs that had earlier come to the Abu Fana monastery)

And then there is of course the current travesty of Copts being killed when leaving a funeral that was being held for Copts who had been killed the previous weekend. It just never freaking ends. Even HH Pope Tawadros II is directly criticizing the president over this. It’s really getting out of hand.

I wish all our people had to deal with in the Middle East is Protestants not liking us and drawing silly cartoon booklets about our faith. I really do. Very rarely does a liturgy or other gathering pass without new awful news of a parishioner’s cousin, neighbor, friend, etc. back in Egypt being kidnapped, threatened, etc.

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These tragedies make my:crying: heart ache.May God bless all His beloved children with peace and protection.

I think that most prejudiced people in the US, at least, know too litttle about Orthodox Christians to even realize that they are not Catholics. I remember at least one such poster some years ago, who was promptly banned by our (very Catholic!) mods who quite properly recognized him as lacking in charity towards anyone who did not agree with his narrow views.