Does the Trinity really mean that God and Jesus are one?

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mosesnoah:
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are the Gospel. An account of the glorious life of Jesus Christ the Messiah and a major part of the scriptures because it leads readers to believe in the Messiah.
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So. Where does it say in scripture that they are scripture? Why is the epistle of Clement not scripture? How about that of Barnabas or Ignatius? Just because they are an account of the life of Jesus does not make them scripture.
 
Jimmy, you are like an engery bunny. These are all Doctrines. Just read what is in the Bible and forget Doctrines…
 
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mosesnoah:
Jimmy, you are like an engery bunny. These are all Doctrines. Just read what is in the Bible and forget Doctrines…
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How do you know what the bible is? Is Matthew scripture, is Mark scripture, is John scripture? Where does this authority come from to say they are scripture? It was the reformers in the sixteenth century that decided to remove books from the bible. These are very legitimate questions.

You are basing your faith on what is in the bible. But how do you know what should be in the bible? Consequently, how do you know what you should believe? The only way to know is because the Catholic Church made the decision on what was scripture.
 
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mosesnoah:
Jimmy, you are like an engery bunny. These are all Doctrines. Just read what is in the Bible and forget Doctrines…
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I think you avoided jimmy’s line of thinking, answer his questions and have a good honest debate about the issues. His point was that the New Testament does not have define itself as Scripture explicitly, so why would you rely on this Scripture but not see the same thing in the Trinity?
 
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mosesnoah:
The Bible is God’s word, nothing more nothing less.
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You are missing the point. How do you know though? The bible is a fifth century book. There was no such thing untill then. In the end of the fourth century the Catholic Church compiled the bible.

How do you know, without the Catholic Church, what is God’s word? How do you know that all 27 books that are in the New Testament are God’s word? How do you know that the apocalypse of Peter is not part of God’s word?
 
Read the most current Edition of the NIV Bible that has gone back to “agreement”, the original Hebrew Scribtures.
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Bro, there’s no such thing as “the original, Hebrew version of John”. There are ONLY Greek versions, and we have them, and they say they are one. You are making things up.
 
I know because God is the Almightly One and he alone has the power to do whatever he wants to do. This includes changing the cycle of the Sun which he has already done in the Old Testament and restoring paradise Earth to the small flock of exercising believers of Jesus Christ at the end of the system of things.
 
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mosesnoah:
I know because God is the Almightly One and he alone has the power to do whatever he wants to do. This includes changing the cycle of the Sun which he has already done in the Old Testament and restoring paradise Earth to the small flock of exercising believers of Jesus Christ at the end of the system of things.
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So, has God spoken directly to you to tell you that these books are scripture?

If you are saying that God protected the Catholic Church from making the false decision to put the apocalypse of Peter in, and made sure that the right 27 books were in the bible, how do you know that the Church has been wrong in any other decision? How do you know that God did not protect the decision of the Catholic Church at these times? Did God speak directly to you? If so, did God have a deep voice, or a high voice?:ehh:
 
I am going to bed, it is 3:40 here, so I am done. But, do you understand my point? The bible is not self defining as Seeks God said. The bible has been defined by The Catholic Church, which recieved this authority from God who founded the Church in 33AD. Without this decision there would be no bible.

If you believe that it is scripture because you believe that God protected the Catholic Church from making an error in defining the scriptures, then you must accept all other decisions the Catholic Church has made.
 
It’s late here too. I believe after 40 years that the Catholic Religion is false religion and it will fall like other false religions under Babylon the Great, because they supported Italy during WWII and they slaughter of the Jews.
 
Does the Trinity really mean that God & Jesus are one?

YES!!! If you say otherwise, you are wrong.
 
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mosesnoah:
I know because God is the Almightly One and he alone has the power to do whatever he wants to do. This includes changing the cycle of the Sun which he has already done in the Old Testament and restoring paradise Earth to the small flock of exercising believers of Jesus Christ at the end of the system of things.
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Then according to your silly little line of thinking, you are saying God deceives us. He won’t define His Scripture explicitly in the New Testament (oh by the way everyone is making this correlation that neither is the Trinity explicitly stated…) and expects us to beleive it, but He is not going to have us believe the Trinity…??? huh??? You want us to accept your logic and not God’s, isn’t that truly correct…?
 
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mosesnoah:
It’s late here too. I believe after 40 years that the Catholic Religion is false religion and it will fall like other false religions under Babylon the Great, because they supported Italy during WWII and they slaughter of the Jews.
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I guess he ignores the many Jews that received rfuge from the Church during WWII as well…? But then again, according to him the gates of hell will prevail…
 
As Christ said, “I am in the Father as the Father is in me.”

Read the story of Abraham and take notice where he addresses the three as one.

It’s really interesting.
 
I think he got busted again.

mosesnoah, if you’re still looking, I just want to encourage you to keep looking at the Catholic Answers website. There’s a lot of good stuff there.

Here’s a site you might find of interest:
catholicxjw.com/index.html

Here’s another site I think you’ll find interesting:
webshowplace.com/question/home.htm

And don’t let go of your Catechism, man! If you don’t have one, go get one. I got mine for nine bucks. The Trinity is discussed in sections 232-267. The Divine Name is discussed in sections 203-213. And read everything it has to say about Jesus, from about section 430-682.

God’s blessing to you!
 
. . .and restoring paradise Earth to the small flock of exercising believers of Jesus Christ at the end of the system of things.
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Yup, standard Jehovah’s Witness-speak.
 
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netmender:
I think he got busted again.

mosesnoah, if you’re still looking, I just want to encourage you to keep looking at the Catholic Answers website. There’s a lot of good stuff there.
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You mean with the three visitors in Gen.18. That is a very good proof for the Trinity.
 
This is all the standard attacks against the Catholic Church that have been answered hundreds of times on this forum.
 
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