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That you don’t believe in something doesn’t make it not exist.
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ERose
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Hmmm,
Maybe it is because of all the liberal progressive elitist that have taxed so much and have regulated so much of the housing that they have made housing too expensive for those on welfare to afford.
Really? So they are to blame. Most employers would love to add jobs to there books because that means they are making more revenue. But if they do not have the money or the need they are not going to hire. My company would love to create a few more jobs, but if we did we might as well schedule an appointment with the bankruptsy lawyer.
the “lazy, greedy, rich” people have been in power in congress the last 4 years and the presidency the last two. It is the workaholic rich people who are about to take over the House and kick some of those lazy and greedy people out.
You live in their apartment you should pay. If you borrowed some money you should pay. That is the right thing to do. You agreed with the terms when you signed the papers didn’t you? If not why did you do something that stupid? I guess landlords should just allow you to live in their apartments rent free and the bankers should just give money out to whoever wants it.
No you don’t have to accept a low wage. Look for another job that pays more. They are out there. Might be harder to find but they are out there.
The sad thing is that you have bought into this ****. Wake up and learn how the world really works why don’t you before you start judging it. If you are in college and are learning this **** from professors that have never been in the real world then you need to stop listening to their stupidity and learn on your own.
You want to get ahead in this world, then take my advice. Be willing to work hard and do the things that nobody else is willing to do and somewhere along the line you will get noticed and they will move you up the latter and make more money. There are alot of high paying jobs out there. You just got to be willing to do what is necessary to get those jobs.
God bless.
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TheRealJuliane
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All these posters who cry about “the rich” or “the greedy” are spending their time coveting what someone else has, instead of getting off their lazy behinds and working to get something for themselves.
Take your eyes off the other guy’s pile of whatever and start paying more attention to what YOU are doing and what YOU want. Simple, isn’t it??
Take your eyes off the other guy’s pile of whatever and start paying more attention to what YOU are doing and what YOU want. Simple, isn’t it??
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St_Francis
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What welfare system? The welfare system that supplied all the medical needs for a child with cancer. The welfare system that supplies all the medical needs of my disabled neighbors, including his cancer treatement. The welfare system that supplies all the food and allowance for diapers and baby stuff for the young woman down the street who left her husband and her job, got pregnant by another man who is now out of the picture and who lives with her parents so she doesn’t need a housing allowance, which she would get if she needed it–and which paid for all her medical bills and will continue to do so… Oh, right, *that *welfare system!
As to the homeless, first, there used to be cheap housing available for people in boarding houses, which are now mostly illegal. Many SRO’s have been converted due to the government’s wanting higher taxes.
Second, many of the long-term homeless are mentally ill, who were once cared for in asylums run by the government. However, a move towards deinstitutionalization, driven by admittedly bad conditions in the asylums, made it so mentally ill people really didn’t have any place to go. So they are out on the streets.
Many “homeless” people are only temporarily without their own living quarters, and soon get back into their own places.
Wow! You apparently know very little about economics. You might try learning a little more before you spout off so much.
Employers create jobs, that is true. But the creation of jobs is based on what the employer is bringing in and other factors. A business owner’s business starts to grow, he needs help, he hires someone–one job created.
However, when business goes downhill, then the employer might have to let people go. For example, when automobiles started being popular, people who dealt with horses found their businesses dwindling. They had to let people go because there was insufficient income to pay people with.
We cannot blame employers if there are no jobs, because employers do not get rid of workers on a whim: Oh, I am not making enough money here, so I will lay off a few workers so I can keep more of the money coming in. That would be foolish, because without the employees, the money will stop rolling in.
However, aside from straight economics, employers have other things to worry about. It costs a business about 1/3rd over what the employee is paid to have an employee in direct costs. The employer puts in the amount the employee puts in towards Social Security: each puts in I think 7% and the self-employed pay both portions or 14%. And there are various other costs.
So it’s kind of expensive to have an employee, and it is also expensive to acquire and train an employee, so businesses like to keep them. However, when a business needs a new employee, they have to consider whether their need will be appropriately offset by a new hire. When government regulations are in flux, businesses are reluctant to hire, because they do not know what they are getting into. This is the situation which currently exists wrt the health insurance requirement bill.
I cna’t imagine what you are talking about. We currently have a bunch of people in power who want to dictate pretty much everything to everyone, and take over some of our largest businesses. Oh, they many not take it over officially like Chavez is doing in Venezuela, but they have accrued a *lot *of power over once-private businesses.
C’mon, look at the last two Dem presidents. Sheesh!
I have no problem with people honestly going onto welfare; I understand that they need to operate by the rules which are in place.
AFAIK, the only debt for which one can go to jail is getting behind on child support payments. We stopped putting people in jail for debt about 180 years ago.
Where?
Wages rise and fall according to supply and demand. When there are few workers, wages go up; when there are many workers, wages go down. Years ago when I still lived in the city, people flipping burgers at national chain fast food places were making what was then almost double minimum wage–they needed to pay that much to attract people to work for them. But when I was working jobs like that, the rate was minimum wage because there were so many people just like me looking for jobs.
Businesses are bound by economic laws just as regular people are. I have known business owners who took on second jobs to keep their businesses afloat, one of whom was very generous with his employees. Imagine that, a business owner taking on a second job so he can be generous with his employees!
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Black_Rose
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Could you provide statistical evidence that those jobs are available (you used word “alot”). It is much easier and enjoyable chastise people for being morally inferior (lazy) than to provide empirical evidence for one’s claims. Is it feasible for anyone (especially people of below-average intellectual ability) to be awarded with the “jobs” you referenced?
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athair_siochain
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Almost three billion dollars spent on TV ads , that is the same as buying votes, will the poor be the victims?
Bashing the Chinese became a great vote catcher,
Those on welfare will again be a target,
God help them ,
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athair_siochain
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What about the landlords and moneylenders, most of them would not get a job at McDonald’s, they don’t need welfare because the tenant and the borrower are paying for their pleasurable lifestyle
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athair_siochain
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WOW what can I say.
I have been working on the coalface for 15years, I go out of my way to help victims of greedy landlords and money lenders,
The US is the most debt ridden Nation on the Planet. the worst is yet to come. the landlord and moneylenders must pay the price for bringing this once great Nation to its knees, young families have lost all their life savings, the welfare system will not fix the unfix-able. those on welfare do not feel useless, there hands are tied . what did the Bush Government do, they threw money at the moneylenders, to bail them out.
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St_Francis
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We are discussing another topic entirely. If you want to discuss your topic, start a thread on it.
Secondly, there are good and bad apples in every barrel. Yes, it is true that some businesses attract unscrupulous people, and it is also true that sometimes business “needs” pressure people to act in ways they might not have originally anticipated.
My point would be that not all the people you seem to be angry with are bad guys the way you are painting them, and you seem to know very little about economics as they really work. I myself have disagreements with the structure; it is certainly not healthy, but I also see that those who have done the most damage in the US are politicians and people in the government. This whole mortgage mess has come about because of the truly stupid things the government has done through Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, and the loosening of credit card laws.
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ERose
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So I take it you believe that you should be allowed to live in an apartment that was built with someone else’s money for free and if you need a loan for whatever you should get it and not have to pay it back. Am I correct in my assessment?
If I am an owner of a bank, I make my money by loaning money out with a certain interest, which are at all time lows right now. That interest pays my salary, my employee’s salary, the costs for my building and utilities, and pays my investors back. That is how it works. Normally these people that you are calling lazy are some of the hardest working people out there because they have to be. They are putting in 12-20 hours a day to insure that they meet the bottom line. If their work pays off they get the fruits of it. If it doesn’t they may end up on the streets.
Those that build or buy apartment buildings, housing projects or whatever are investing in these apartments to make money. Alot of times their hands are tied because they got to pay for the building itself, which is usually a loan, utilities, employees, repairs, property taxes, etc. All of these costs money and must be accounted for in the rent. If they are not accounted for then the landlord’s budget goes into the red and eventually he either has to sell, increase rent, or close the property down. That is how it works. To fault someone for taking a risk that most are unwilling to make and making money out of it is ludicrous.
The other thing I find so interesting is that those of you who hate the rich so much wouldn’t have a problem being rich. You hate these people because you are not one of them. That is jealousy and coveting what they got and is violated one of the 10 Commandments.
You want to improve your state in life, get out there and work for it. That is the only way it is going to happen for most of us, unless you about to inherit alot of money or win the lottery that is the only way you are going to do it. You cannot wait for someone to come to you and make your life better. Not the state, not a politian, not anyone else but you and only you can make your state of life better and that is by working for it.
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ERose
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Rose it is called experience. I have dealings in two industries right now. One is the oil and gas industry which is booming down here in LA and in other places right now. These drilling and support companies are building new rigs constantly and bringing them online as fast as they can. These new rigs need to be filled with hard working people and in many cases they are having a hard time filling those positions because these jobs require people willing to work. Usually this is the type of person they are willing to hire. If you are willing to learn and work hard, then these jobs have decent salaries usually starting at $40-50,000/year and you are only working 6-months out of the year normally. And this is for someone off the street that doesn’t have anymore that a highschool education and no experience. In our papers down here there are always advertisments in the help wanted adds for people to fill these positions.
In the corrugated industry, the employers are having a very hard time finding young people to come in and work and stay. Most of the time they come in work for a week or two and leave because the work is too hard for them. The work really isn’t difficult, but at times it is work. You do have to move your hands and feet. You have to stand alot and lift product. You may have to operate a machine as well.
An example is that a production manager in a suburb of LA where the unemployment rate is relatively high, said that if a person would walk through his door willing to work he would hire that person on the spot. The problem he said he has is that he would bring in someone from a temp agency and they would work a few days and not come back. So what does that do to these employers? Well they have to start look for means to reduce the employment requirements because they cannot get the employees. So now they are willing to pay more for automation even though it is cheaper for them to have an employee than the automation.
Also their current employee pool is shrinking because of people retiring and have an inability of effectively replacing the people retiring. I find it a sad state of affairs when there are 60 year old men and women out working 20 year old men and women. And that the 20 year old men and women unwilling to work for their salary.
If these two industries are have problems filling positions, I have to assume others are as well. Like I said, if you are willing to work, there are jobs out there. You may have to be willing to move or make a change to your lifestyle or maybe do things that you may not like such as get dirty or get callauses on your hands, but you got choices.
I also work with many companies that require engineers and technicians. These companies are having a hard time filling positions that require a degree. There are just not enough engineers and technicians out there for these positions. So what happens? They do one of two things. They either bring people in from other countries to fill these positions or they send this work to other countries that have the skilled labor that they need to function. This is one of those reasons for jobs being exported that is not highlighted in the news. The only thing we hear is “cheap labor”, we hardly ever hear “skilled labor” for the reason do we?
At the previous company I worked for I came across that problem. I needed a highly skilled employee to fill and need and the only place I could find that employee was in Belgium. So I hired him. Many companies have to do the same thing.
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athair_siochain
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The US is now on welfare and the people feel useless, unable to act against the landlords and money lenders.
Today the US Government printed $600 billion dollars to boost the economy, a great way to devalue the dollar, landlords and moneylenders are human beings some are nice, some are bad, but when it comes down to the greed thing, they are all the same, I have studied many economies throughout the world,also the money markets, I know how the whole system works,
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Black_Rose
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Well, you could raise their salaries now could you? I do not see why that is a such “sad state of affairs” when the labor force shrinks unless you want a compliant source of cheap labor.
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ERose
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Like I said above this forces companies to become more automated even when it is more beneficial to them economically to have a employee instead of a machine. Material Handling Machines which are the machines that replace humans are expensive and the more complex operation required the more expensive it becomes. Also the machinery have a lifespan of on average of 5 years. The company would prefer to hire someone for $40-50,000/year than to pay $250,000 for a piece of equipment that at the end of the cycle will most probably cost them around $400,000 due to maintenance, service and power requirements.
But the problem companies are having is that it is alot easier to purchase automation equipment than it is to find a person or person(s) who will work and be there long term.
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Black_Rose
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So do you do any of the hard, menial work? Are you empathetic to your workers? Do you envy those who do the “hard work” and would be willing to trade positions with them? Yes, they have choices. but they neither desirable or easy.
It is easy to be detached from the material adversity of the workers such as having more physically grueling tasks and lower pay than management, and still condescendingly condemn them for being “lazy”.
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St_Francis
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You know, some workers are seriously just lazy good-for-nothings. I have worked jobs where I was replaced by two people because I was efficient and I worked hard. Those were just dishwashing jobs, but I did my best instead of lazing around.
And when I worked doing bookkeeping–half the people I worked for had been ripped off by previous bookkeepers. A man I know lost his house, his entire life savings, and his business because his bookkeeper didn’t do the stuff he was supposed to do with the IRS and kept the money himself.
Yeah, sure there are crummy bosses, but some employees are also crummy, and you seem to think that the bosses are the bad guys and the workers are the good guys, and if the workers turn bad, well, it is the employers’ faults because they are employers and ipso facto bad.
I don’t know where you are, but things in the US have changed a lot in the past 100 years. Safety standards exist, and we have the government inspecting them. People are paid more than a pittance so their entire families including their 3-year-olds no longer have to work to be fed. We have unemployment, now for almost 2 years, and we have worker’s comp to cover on-the-job injuries.
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MindOverMatter2
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The constant emphasis that the poor deserve to be poor is ridiculous and does no justice to your position. You are creating a straw-man and you are committing the fallacy of composition. Your argument appears to imply that because there are some workers who lazy around, that therefore this can be applied to poor people in general. You are trying your very hardest to make the poor look bad in-order to justify your position. I see a great degree of dishonesty in that attitude. There are many reasons why people are replaced by others such as the level of natural human ability as opposed to a lazy attitude, and who knows what hidden physiological or psychological impediment that may be holding them back. Your black white argument is conveniently ignoring the many shades of Gray and colour in-between.
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St_Francis
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This is absolutely not true. I can only hope that you have me mixed up with another poster.
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TheRealJuliane
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this poster and the “money-lender” guy just come on and state their own beliefs whether it’s cogent or not. They both have a one-note song.:yawn::doh2:
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