Does this correctly reflect the Catholic view of reproduction?

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AnneElliot said:
Of course not, but avoiding conception is not the Catholic view of reproduction (or marriage) either. NFP is not the norm. NFP is permitted for grave reasons.
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Isn’t it true though that most Catholics today use some form of birth control such as a condom or the pill?

I have many Catholic friends and none of them use NFP, they all use some form of man made birth control.

I am unmarried and my partner takes the birth control pill.
 
AnneElliot said:
Of course not, but avoiding conception is not the Catholic view of reproduction (or marriage) either. NFP is not the norm. NFP is permitted for grave reasons.
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The Catechism says ‘just’ reasons:
**2368 **A particular aspect of this responsibility concerns the regulation of procreation. For just reasons, spouses may wish to space the births of their children. It is their duty to make certain that their desire is not motivated by selfishness but is in conformity with the generosity appropriate to responsible parenthood.
 
AnneElliot said:
Of course not, but avoiding conception is not the Catholic view of reproduction (or marriage) either. NFP is not the norm. NFP is permitted for grave reasons.
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I think that you are mistaking about NFP permitted for grave reasons. I know many couples who use NFP or did in their time. Once I am married, my fiance and I will use NFP always
 
freethinker83 said:
Isn’t it true though that most Catholics today use some form of birth control such as a condom or the pill?

I have many Catholic friends and none of them use NFP, they all use some form of man made birth control.

I am unmarried and my partner takes the birth control pill.
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Then they aren’t following Church teaching. Church teaching also reaffirmed in Humanae Vitae and Evangelium Vitae
 
Phemie said:
The Catechism says ‘just’ reasons:
**2368 **A particular aspect of this responsibility concerns the regulation of procreation. For just reasons, spouses may wish to space the births of their children. It is their duty to make certain that their desire is not motivated by selfishness but is in conformity with the generosity appropriate to responsible parenthood.
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Thanks for finding that CCC paragraph that I didn’t have time to look up.
 
Phemie said:
The Catechism says ‘just’ reasons:
**2368 **A particular aspect of this responsibility concerns the regulation of procreation. For just reasons, spouses may wish to space the births of their children. It is their duty to make certain that their desire is not motivated by selfishness but is in conformity with the generosity appropriate to responsible parenthood.
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melchesidechpio said:
I think that you are mistaking about NFP permitted for grave reasons. I know many couples who use NFP or did in their time. Once I am married, my fiance and I will use NFP always
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It is irrelevant whether you want to quibble about whether to translate it “just” or “grave” reasons*.
The point is that NFP is not the norm of Catholic marriage.
Pope Pius XI, Casti Connubii (# 17) “The primary end of marriage is the procreation and the education of children.”

*Pope Pius XII “Address to Italian Midwives” October 29, 1951
“The matrimonial contract, which confers on the married couple the right to satisfy the inclination of nature, constitutes them in a state of life, namely, the matrimonial state. Now, on married couples, who make use of the specific act of their state, nature and the Creator impose the function of providing for the preservation of mankind. This is the characteristic service which gives rise to the peculiar value of their state, the bonum prolis. The individual and society, the people and the State, the Church itself, depend for their existence, in the order established by God, on fruitful marriages. Therefore, to embrace the matrimonial state, to use continually the faculty proper to such a state and lawful only therein, and, at the same time, to avoid its primary duty without a **grave **reason, would be a sin against the very nature of married life.”
“If, however, according to a reasonable and equitable judgment, there are no such **grave **reasons either personal or deriving from exterior circumstances, the will to avoid the fecundity of their union, while continuing to satisfy to tile full their sensuality, can only be the result of a false appreciation of life and of motives foreign to sound ethical principles.”
 
AnneElliot said:
It is irrelevant whether you want to quibble about whether to translate it “just” or “grave” reasons*.
The point is that NFP is not the norm of Catholic marriage.
Pope Pius XI, Casti Connubii (# 17) “The primary end of marriage is the procreation and the education of children.”

*Pope Pius XII “Address to Italian Midwives” October 29, 1951
“The matrimonial contract, which confers on the married couple the right to satisfy the inclination of nature, constitutes them in a state of life, namely, the matrimonial state. Now, on married couples, who make use of the specific act of their state, nature and the Creator impose the function of providing for the preservation of mankind. This is the characteristic service which gives rise to the peculiar value of their state, the bonum prolis. The individual and society, the people and the State, the Church itself, depend for their existence, in the order established by God, on fruitful marriages. Therefore, to embrace the matrimonial state, to use continually the faculty proper to such a state and lawful only therein, and, at the same time, to avoid its primary duty without a **grave **reason, would be a sin against the very nature of married life.”
“If, however, according to a reasonable and equitable judgment, there are no such **grave **reasons either personal or deriving from exterior circumstances, the will to avoid the fecundity of their union, while continuing to satisfy to tile full their sensuality, can only be the result of a false appreciation of life and of motives foreign to sound ethical principles.”
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Have you read Humanae Vitae and Evangelium Vitae??
 
freethinker83 said:
Isn’t it true though that most Catholics today use some form of birth control such as a condom or the pill?

I have many Catholic friends and none of them use NFP, they all use some form of man made birth control.

I am unmarried and my partner takes the birth control pill.
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Glorifying Sin isnt something to be proud of. Perhaps a review of What the Church Teaches about Fornication and the 6th and 9th Commandments is in order.
 
melchesidechpio said:
Have you read Humanae Vitae and Evangelium Vitae??
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About 50 times. Funny how, at my Catholic Uni, they never mentioned castii connubi. Hmm… 😉

Anyway, I agree with AnneElliot - NFP is the exception not the rule. Furthermore, I would not say that NFP is ever a “good” thing, just sometimes necessary in some cases and for some couples who, with prayerful consideration and hopefully the advice and counsel of a good Priest, must make the decision to use it. But those disclaimers don’t really exist. I was told in my confirmation classes that all couples should use NFP right from the start of the marriage. I don’t believe this is an accurate reflection of Catholic teaching and it creates the danger of subordinating the primary purpose of marriage (procreation and education of children) to the secondary purpose (unity of the spouses).

Don’t forget that abstinence within marriage is also an option in some cases, although no one really talks about it anymore. I know of at least two couples who refuse to use NFP because the wife has a serious health problem where a pregnancy would be life-threatening. Abstinence is hard but they understandably didn’t want to play Russian Roulette with the wife’s life just for the sake of “unity.”
 
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