Does this make the Consecration invalid?

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When the priest in my parish pronunces the words of the Consecration during Mass, he omits the word ‘saying’.
For example, Eucharistic Prayer II is written like this:

“He took bread and, giving thanks, broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying:
Take this, all of you, and eat of it, for this is my Body…”

Instead, the priest in my parish says:
“He took bread and, giving thanks, broke it, and gave it to his disciples.
Take this, all of you, and eat of it, for this is my Body…”

It worries me that by supressing the word ‘saying’ it seems that it is him and not our Lord the one who is saying: 'Take this, all of you, and eat of it, for this is my Body…"

Am I exagerating?

Does the omission of the word ‘saying’ make invalid the Consecration?

Should I express my concern to him?:confused:

What do you think?

Alma
 
Given that it was his intention to consecrate; then it was valid.
paduard
 
Alma said:
When the priest in my parish pronunces the words of the Consecration during Mass, he omits the word ‘saying’.
For example, Eucharistic Prayer II is written like this:

“He took bread and, giving thanks, broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying:
Take this, all of you, and eat of it, for this is my Body…”

Instead, the priest in my parish says:
“He took bread and, giving thanks, broke it, and gave it to his disciples.
Take this, all of you, and eat of it, for this is my Body…”

It worries me that by supressing the word ‘saying’ it seems that it is him and not our Lord the one who is saying: 'Take this, all of you, and eat of it, for this is my Body…"

Am I exagerating?

Does the omission of the word ‘saying’ make invalid the Consecration?

Should I express my concern to him?:confused:

What do you think?

Alma
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The bread is transformed (transubstantiation) when the priest pronounces the words “this is my Body”
 
Alma said:
It worries me that by supressing the word ‘saying’ it seems that it is him and not our Lord the one who is saying: 'Take this, all of you, and eat of it, for this is my Body…"

Does the omission of the word ‘saying’ make invalid the Consecration?

What do you think?

Alma
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I think if it worries you, you may have bigger issues. We should spend more time participating in the Mass than critiquing the Mass.

Rejoice in the Lord, Always!
 
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Neofight said:
I think if it worries you, you may have bigger issues. We should spend more time participating in the Mass than critiquing the Mass.

Rejoice in the Lord, Always!
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👍 celebrate, don’t instigate…
 
Alma said:
Does the omission of the word ‘saying’ make invalid the Consecration?

Should I express my concern to him?:confused:
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According to De Defectibus, if it doesn’t SIGNIFICANTLY change the meaning, it does not invalidate the consecration, although if it’s not EXACTLY followed per what’s approved, it is illicit.

That said, the priest made the consecration sound less of a narrative, but the Church wanted it to be a narrative, something I wish I knew why.
 
The Sacred and Ecumenical Council of Florence decreed in its eighth session:
The form of this sacrament [the Eucharist] are the words of the Saviour with which he effected this sacrament
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Since Jesus didn’t say ‘saying,’ it’s not strictly necessary, although it’s just not good practice to altar that (especially so close to the Words of Consecration!).
 
Thank you Paduard, Pneuma, ProVobis, L Marshall, for your helpful answers. :tiphat

Neofight, Crusaderbear, Hatikvah: I was not ‘critiquing’ nor ‘instigating’. I love the Mass.

If on one cannot express concern and ask a simple question without being judged, then how can one learn? :confused:

God bless,

Alma
 
Alma said:
If on one cannot express concern and ask a simple question without being judged, then how can one learn? :confused:
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I quite agree.

If a person has a doubt about whether or not a Priest, when he does not say precisely what he is supposed to say, validly confects the Eucharist, then they are obliged to resolve that doubt. One is not permitted to act on a doubtful conscience. This is not critiquing, this is trying to ensure that one is not adoring mere bread.
 
Alma said:
Thank you Paduard, Pneuma, ProVobis, L Marshall, for your helpful answers. :tiphat

Neofight, Crusaderbear, Hatikvah: I was not ‘critiquing’ nor ‘instigating’. I love the Mass.

If on one cannot express concern and ask a simple question without being judged, then how can one learn? :confused:

God bless,

Alma
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Then ask the priest himself.
 
Alma said:
Thank you Paduard, Pneuma, ProVobis, L Marshall, for your helpful answers. :tiphat:

Neofight, Crusaderbear, Hatikvah: I was not ‘critiquing’ nor ‘instigating’. I love the Mass.

If on one cannot express concern and ask a simple question without being judged, then how can one learn? :confused:

God bless,

Alma
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Amen.
 
Neofight said:
I think if it worries you, you may have bigger issues. We should spend more time participating in the Mass than critiquing the Mass.

Rejoice in the Lord, Always!
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Unhelpful if not rude response. Further, you have no idea how much time the OP currently spends participating in the Mass.
 
Alma said:
When the priest in my parish pronunces the words of the Consecration during Mass, he omits the word ‘saying’.
For example, Eucharistic Prayer II is written like this:

“He took bread and, giving thanks, broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying:
Take this, all of you, and eat of it, for this is my Body…”

Instead, the priest in my parish says:
“He took bread and, giving thanks, broke it, and gave it to his disciples.
Take this, all of you, and eat of it, for this is my Body…”

It worries me that by supressing the word ‘saying’ it seems that it is him and not our Lord the one who is saying: 'Take this, all of you, and eat of it, for this is my Body…"

Am I exagerating?

Does the omission of the word ‘saying’ make invalid the Consecration?

Should I express my concern to him?:confused:

What do you think?

Alma
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There’s a priest in a nearby parish who never makes the sign of the cross over the bread and wine as he’s consecrating it. I’ve always wondered if their Communion is valid or not.
 
LiamQ, thank you, you understood my intention quite well! 🙂

Thank you EyesClosed for your support.

Crusaderbear: I did not want to ask the priest himself because I do not want to make him umconfortable thinking, as you thought, that I am critiquing him.
That is why I posted the question here, because I have always received very good answers.

Faith1960: I see nobody has answered your question yet, I suggest that you post it on a new thread, and I hope someone will help you giving you a good answer as someone helped me with my question.

God bless,

Alma
 
Faith1960 said:
There’s a priest in a nearby parish who never makes the sign of the cross over the bread and wine as he’s consecrating it. I’ve always wondered if their Communion is valid or not.
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The sign of the cross isn’t done at Consecration. Maybe you are thinking about the Epiclesis for Eucharist Prayers 2 and 3?
 
Alma said:
Thank you Paduard, Pneuma, ProVobis, L Marshall, for your helpful answers. :tiphat

Neofight, Crusaderbear, Hatikvah: I was not ‘critiquing’ nor ‘instigating’. I love the Mass.

If on one cannot express concern and ask a simple question without being judged, then how can one learn? :confused:

God bless,

Alma
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Alma, welcome to these boards where people will judge when asking a simple inquiry. Don’t ask why, I have no idea.
In answer to your question, I agree with someone else who said, the intention to consecrate is what matters, not leaving out a word. In my parish there are many visiting priests; each says the prayers just a bit different regarding the exact wording. All is well.
 
Alma said:
If on one cannot express concern and ask a simple question without being judged, then how can one learn? :confused:
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This is the problem with internet. We lack the nuances of the person, seeing things in the words that aren’t there.

Thanks for asking, Alma. I’ve learned something new.
 
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