Does this mass take care of my Sunday Obligation?

[brigid12]

There is a sede chapel nearby (I don’t think it’s SSPX, but could be wrong) that has the Tridentine mass and since there aren’t any TLMs around otherwise, I was wondering if going to it (curiosity, I’m a post VII convert) would take care of my Sunday Obligation?
I read one thing that says no, then another that says yes. Maybe it depends on if they’re SSPX?

 

[bear06]

There is a sede chapel nearby (I don’t think it’s SSPX, but could be wrong) that has the Tridentine mass and since there aren’t any TLMs around otherwise, I was wondering if going to it (curiosity, I’m a post VII convert) would take care of my Sunday Obligation?
I read one thing that says no, then another that says yes. Maybe it depends on if they’re SSPX?

There are no documents that say that an SSPX or SSPV Mass fullfills the Sunday obligation for the faithful at large. There is only one that was sent to a specific person in a specific circumstance. the headlines then read “Vatican admits chapels fulfill Sunday obligation”. Then a clarification was sent out saying that it was a letter to a specific person in a specific circumstance.

 

[jj2011]

In a case of necessity, and if the priests are validly ordained, it would certainly meet your Sunday obligation, but it’s not something I’d recommend.

 

[bpbasilphx]

<<There is a sede chapel nearby (I don’t think it’s SSPX, but could be wrong)>>

SSPX is NOT a sedevacantist group, though its relationship with the Holy See is, at best, irregular and strained.

SSPV and CMRI ARE sedevacantists, however.

 

[BobP123]

LETTER OF THE PONTIFICAL COUNCIL FOR CHRISTIAN UNITY
Under signature of Edward I. Cardinal Cassidy, President (May 3,1994)

    "The situation of the members of this Society [SSPX] is
    an internal matter of the Catholic Church.  The Society
    is not another Church or Ecclesial Community in the
    meaning used in the Directory.  Of course, the Mass
    and Sacraments administered by the priests of the
    Society are valid.  The bishops are validly ... consecrated."

LETTER OF THE PONTIFICAL COMMISSION “ECCLESIA DEI”
Under Signature of Rev. Msgr. Camille Perl, Secretary
May 28, 1996; repeated in Protocol N. 236/98 of March 6, 1998

    "It is true that participation in the Mass and sacraments at the chapels of the Society of St. Pius X does not of itself constitute 'formal adherence to the schism.'"

September 27, 2002

    1. In the strict sense you may fulfill your Sunday obligation by attending a Mass celebrated by a priest of the Society of Saint Pius  X.

    2. ...If your intention is simply to participate in Mass according to the 1962 Missal for the sake of devotion, this would not be a sin.

    3. It would seem that a modest contribution to the collection at Mass could be justified.

Can. 844 §2 Whenever **necessity requires **or a genuine spiritual advantage commends it, and provided the danger of error or indifferentism is avoided, Christ’s faithful for whom it is physically or morally impossible to approach a catholic minister, may lawfully receive the sacraments of penance, the Eucharist and anointing of the sick from non catholic ministers in whose Churches these sacraments are valid.

Can. 1248 §1 The obligation of assisting at Mass is satisfied wherever Mass is celebrated in a **catholic rite **either on a holyday itself or on the evening of the previous day.

§2 If it is impossible to assist at a eucharistic celebration, either because no sacred minister is available or for some other grave reason, the faithful are strongly recommended to take part in a liturgy of the Word, if there be such in the parish church or some other sacred place, which is celebrated in accordance with the provisions laid down by the diocesan Bishop; or to spend an appropriate time in prayer, whether personally or as a family or, as occasion presents, in a group of families.

 

[BobP123]

There are no documents that say that an SSPX or SSPV Mass fullfills the Sunday obligation for the faithful at large.

This is, of course, not true. This kind of statement is put out by a well-organized group of anti-SSPX slanderists who will need to account to God for their actions someday like everyone else.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

This is, of course, not true. This kind of statement is put out by a well-organized group of anti-SSPX slanderists who will need to account to God for their actions someday like everyone else.

It’s all conspiracy against the disobedient SSPX

In a case of necessity, and if the priests are validly ordained, it would certainly meet your Sunday obligation, but it’s not something I’d recommend.

Oh yes, but tell me, do you really live in such a place? I don’t think so…

 

[BobP123]

It’s all conspiracy against the disobedient SSPX

Did anyone say conspiracy? It’s a flat out malicious attack, not too much else less dishonest.

Oh yes, but tell me, do you really live in such a place? I don’t think so…

There is no such thing as spiritual advantage? Oh yes, let me guess, only where there’s open disobedience against the Pope’s MP.

 

[TraditionalCath]

to the OP:

why don’t you simply call the rectory of the church and ask outright but politely if it is an sspx chapel? just simply ask. if your not comfortable doing that, then why don’t you see if that church has a website? it should tell you there whether its in an sspx chapel or not.
that ought to solve your confusion.

 

[Dempsey1919]

Don’t attend Mass at any of these chapels UNLESS there is no other option. I would only attend Mass at these establishments if there was no Novus Ordo or Tridentine Mass available at a Church in full communion with Rome.

If you want to attend the Tridentine Mass then search for a Church in full communion with Rome. Contact Ecclesia Dei. They should be able to help you locate one within your area.

Do not support the schismatics in any way. By attending their services, you would be doing just that.

Pray for their reconciliation to Holy Mother Church.

 

[Sure]

This is, of course, not true. This kind of statement is put out by a well-organized group of anti-SSPX slanderists who will need to account to God for their actions someday like everyone else.

Bob,

Can you provide a Church document that proves that such attendance is permissible? I mean besides a letter from Ecclesia Dei to one individual.

And is it really a “conspiracy” to make the logical connection that a letter to one individual does not apply to all of Catholicism?

To the original poster,

Write to your bishop and ask if it is okay for you to attend an SSPX Mass. He is your shepherd and will guide you. And if it’s listed here: sspx.org/chapels.htm then it’s probably one of their chapels.

 

[BobP123]

If you want to attend the Tridentine Mass then search for a Church in full communion with Rome. Contact Ecclesia Dei. They should be able to help you locate one within your area.

Do realize that with the issue of the MP, there are a lot of traditional chapels with independent (not SSPX but have been validly ordained by a real bishop) priests who are suddenly “in full communion with Rome.” They may not be at the top of Ecclesia Dei’s list but they can be valid and there are many of them. Individuals, however, must do their own DD on the matter.

 

[tradcathconvert]

<<There is a sede chapel nearby (I don’t think it’s SSPX, but could be wrong)>>

SSPX is NOT a sedevacantist group, though its relationship with the Holy See is, at best, irregular and strained.

SSPV and CMRI ARE sedevacantists, however.

Thank you for mentioning one of my points. Personally, if we didn’t have our TLM at the Cathedral, I would go to a SSPX Mass before one offered by priests from the other two groups.

 

[OutinChgoburbs]

Don’t attend Mass at any of these chapels UNLESS there is no other option. I would only attend Mass at these establishments if there was no Novus Ordo or Tridentine Mass available at a Church in full communion with Rome.

If you want to attend the Tridentine Mass then search for a Church in full communion with Rome. Contact Ecclesia Dei. They should be able to help you locate one within your area.

Do not support the schismatics in any way. By attending their services, you would be doing just that.

Pray for their reconciliation to Holy Mother Church.

Or, you could call your own diocese chancery and see if your bishop considers it OK.

 

[bear06]

I would go to a SSPX Mass before one offered by priests from the other two groups.

Just out of curiosity, why? Don’t get me wrong. I think they’re schismatics and very loopy. I’m just curious as to why others would choose one over the other. I’m also curious if those who support the SSPX feel the same way.

 

[tradcathconvert]

Just out of curiosity, why? Don’t get me wrong. I think they’re schismatics and very loopy. I’m just curious as to why others would choose one over the other. I’m also curious if those who support the SSPX feel the same way.

Not to get into a debate, and it may be nothing more then my opinion, but I don’t think the SSPX is schismatic. But also, they are not sedevacantists. I would go to a Mass said by a sedevacantist priest as a last resort.

 

[bear06]

Not to get into a debate, and it may be nothing more then my opinion, but I don’t think the SSPX is schismatic. But also, they are not sedevacantists. I would go to a Mass said by a sedevacantist priest as a last resort.

I guess I’m still wondering why the SSPV are chosen over the SSPX. Like I said, I think the SSPV is schismatic but I’m wondering why others who would say that the SSPX is nifty would nix the SSPV.

 

[BobP123]

Or, you could call your own diocese chancery and see if your bishop considers it OK.

Nothing against your bishop, I think he’s good, but the Ecclesia Dei commission was specifically created for those that didn’t get help from the bishops in this regard. I read this as Rome not trusting some of their bishops to give complete truthful information to the faithful.

 

[Dempsey1919]

Or, you could call your own diocese chancery and see if your bishop considers it OK.

It doesn’t matter if the Bishop doesn’t want you to attend the Tridentine Mass. Rome has spoken. We are allowed to attend the Tridentine Mass if we wish. Ecclesia Dei is an an official body that was set up to help us find Traditional Masses.

 

[alih]

as reported in the july-august edition of the “adoremus bulletin” of this year, "continuity, not contradiction,in two forms of celebration.
on the tenth anniversary of the ecclesia dei adflicta, then cardinal ratzinger pointed out persistent difficulties and divisions; some regarded “attachment to the old liturgy” as disruptive…he told his audience of “traditionalists” the the “old mass” had “never been abolished” by the council and that the liturgical abuses that arose following the council were the result of the "lack of obedience to the council’s costitution on the sacred liturgy. sancrosanctum concilium.
if it were not for the efforts or groups such as pius x, michael v, fosp and a huge group of independant traditional chapels, with duly consecrated bishops and ordained priests, this discussion would not have occured. what we must strive for is the unity of the church without cries of condemnation or schism. lets face it, the catholic religion has enough enemies without us turning on ourselves. have a good year. (alih)