Does this prevent me from communion?

[Shaolen]

So the other day I was on the phone with a client and I had to text the client my phone number after the call was over. Then afterwards I forgot too and I told her my phone had to be restarted and that’s why I was delayed (even though this wasn’t true). Is this a mortal sin that would prevent me from taking communion or a venial sin?

 

[1ke]

Can you articulate why you are unable to discern this for yourself?

Which commandment does it violate? Is it grave matter?

 

[Bookcat]

What were you aware of at the time? What were you thinking? What were you willing?

Was it just done not adverting to it being sinful at the time and then now your wondering?

 

[Shaolen]

Can you articulate why you are unable to discern this for yourself?

Which commandment does it violate? Is it grave matter?

It breaks thou shalt not bare false witness. It doesn’t seem to be of grave matter but it does break one of the ten commandments.

 

[jochoa]

So the other day I was on the phone with a client and I had to text the client my phone number after the call was over. Then afterwards I forgot too and I told her my phone had to be restarted and that’s why I was delayed (even though this wasn’t true). Is this a mortal sin that would prevent me from taking communion or a venial sin?

Considering your lie stemmed from an accident, in particular forgetting, and your are actively seeking assistance in growing in faith, most likely the sin was venial, however you should examine your conscience more thoroughly:
Since you knew lying is sinful, why did you lie?

Also, considering why did you forget to do your job may also shed light of deeper rooted sins.

 

[Bookcat]

It breaks thou shalt not bare false witness. It doesn’t seem to be of grave matter but it does break one of the ten commandments.

And at the time of the lie - you thought it was serious?

Or you did not but judged it venial and now are just concerned?

 

[JM3]

It breaks thou shalt not bare false witness. It doesn’t seem to be of grave matter but it does break one of the ten commandments.

Easy solution: Go to confession.

 

[Shaolen]

And at the time of the lie - you thought it was serious?

Or you did not but judged it venial and now are just concerned?

It was as if it was a habit. It was only after I had done it that I thought “oh wait. I just lied”

 

[Bookcat]

It was as if it was a habit. It was only after I had done it that I thought “oh wait. I just lied”

And still you did not think it was something serious and I need to correct it…but only later now am fearing…?

 

[Bookcat]

395. When does one commit a mortal sin?

1855-1861
1874

One commits a mortal sin when there are simultaneously present: grave matter, full knowledge, and deliberate consent. This sin destroys charity in us, deprives us of sanctifying grace, and, if unrepented, leads us to the eternal death of hell. It can be forgiven in the ordinary way by means of the sacraments of Baptism and of Penance or Reconciliation.
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396. When does one commit a venial sin?**

1862-1864
1875

One commits a venial sin, which is essentially different from a mortal sin, when the matter involved is less serious or, even if it is grave, when full knowledge or complete consent are absent. Venial sin does not break the covenant with God but it weakens charity and manifests a disordered affection for created goods. It impedes the progress of a soul in the exercise of the virtues and in the practice of moral good. It merits temporal punishment which purifies.

vatican.va/archive/compendium_ccc/documents/archive_2005_compendium-ccc_en.html

 

[porthos11]

It was as if it was a habit. It was only after I had done it that I thought “oh wait. I just lied”

Even if you did this deliberately at the time, and even after thinking about it now, you STILL think this particular lie was objectively grave matter?

Does anybody here REALLY think that?

Never mind, I will say it to everyone’s faces. It’s NOT grave matter, and even if you were to do this again, deliberately and after thinking about it then doing it anyway, all other things being equal, this is NOT grave matter and the lie is venial sin.

Period.

 

[Bookcat]

Even if you did this deliberately at the time, and even after thinking about it now, you STILL think this particular lie was objectively grave matter?

Does anybody here REALLY think that?

Never mind, I will say it to everyone’s faces. It’s NOT grave matter, and even if you were to do this again, deliberately and after thinking about it then doing it anyway, all other things being equal, this is NOT grave matter and the lie is venial sin.

Period.

Yes I assume the lie was not say to a Judge under oath or something that did serious damage - so such sounds to be an “ordinary lie” - normally “venial matter”.

However - it matters what he believed and willed at the time he did it.

If he thought - believed - it was grave - then that is a different story.

(now those out there with scrupels - see your regular confessor for you can be in a rather different b**oat and should follow the direction of a regular confessor who can also give one certain principles to follow in ones particular case).

 

[porthos11]

Yes I assume the lie was not say to a Judge under oath or something that did serious damage - so such sounds to be an “ordinary lie” - normally “venial matter”.

However - it matters what he believed and willed at the time he did it.

If he thought - believed - it was grave - then that is a different story.

(now those out there with scrupels - see your regular confessor for you can be in a rather different b**oat and should follow the direction of a regular confessor who can also give one certain principles to follow in ones particular case).

This kind of question is a strong indicator of scrupulosity. I therefore think the mindset at the time he had could ever elevate the matter to grave.

 

[Bookcat]

This kind of question is a strong indicator of scrupulosity.

It is not up to us to judge. One simple question like that does not mean scrupulosity is present. They can discuss with their confessor.

 

[Garyjohn2]

I’m not sure how this couldn’t be considered a venial sin.

Always try to tell the truth – but no one is perfect. Telling a fib to cover your butt is probably one of the least weighty examples of human imperfection I can think of.

 

[porthos11]

I’m not sure how this couldn’t be considered a venial sin.

Always try to tell the truth – but no one is perfect. Telling a fib to cover your butt is probably one of the least weighty examples of human imperfection I can think of.

zactly.

Some appear to be under the impression that any violation whatsoever of the Ten Commandments is somehow automatically grave matter.

This is not true.

 

[Bookcat]

Some appear to be under the impression that any violation whatsoever of the Ten Commandments is somehow automatically grave matter.

This is not true.

The obligation of the Decalogue

2072 Since they express man’s fundamental duties towards God and towards his neighbor, the Ten Commandments reveal, in their primordial content, grave obligations. They are fundamentally immutable, and they oblige always and everywhere. No one can dispense from them. The Ten Commandments are engraved by God in the human heart.

2073 Obedience to the Commandments also implies obligations in matter which is, in itself, light. Thus abusive language is forbidden by the fifth commandment, but would be a grave offense only as a result of circumstances or the offender’s intention.

scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2.htm

 

[porthos11]

The obligation of the Decalogue

2072 Since they express man’s fundamental duties towards God and towards his neighbor, the Ten Commandments reveal, in their primordial content, grave obligations. They are fundamentally immutable, and they oblige always and everywhere. No one can dispense from them. The Ten Commandments are engraved by God in the human heart.

2073 Obedience to the Commandments also implies obligations in matter which is, in itself, light. Thus abusive language is forbidden by the fifth commandment, but would be a grave offense only as a result of circumstances or the offender’s intention.

scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2.htm

The primordial content of the Ten Commandments is pretty much the Commandments at face value: idolatry, misuse of God’s name, failure to observe the Sabbath, murder, adultery, theft of property, perjury. Violations of any of these could carry the death penalty.

The extended interpretations applied by the Church are valid, but the Church herself identifies certain circumstances as venial. For example, violations of the Second are often deemed to be venial simply because of lack of reflection. This is another example: lying in small matters is not a grave sin.

And lest anybody read more into this, no I am not unaware of the dangers of venial sin. But it’s not spiritually healthy to see mortal sin where there is “only” venial sin, or even none at all.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

So the other day I was on the phone with a client and I had to text the client my phone number after the call was over. Then afterwards I forgot too and I told her my phone had to be restarted and that’s why I was delayed (even though this wasn’t true). Is this a mortal sin that would prevent me from taking communion or a venial sin?

If you took a poll and 10 people said you were not in grave sin and 2 did say you were what would you do?

You cannot examine your conscience by letting strangers on the internet decide these things for you.

 

[MaryHelp777]

So the other day I was on the phone with a client and I had to text the client my phone number after the call was over. Then afterwards I forgot too and I told her my phone had to be restarted and that’s why I was delayed (even though this wasn’t true). Is this a mortal sin that would prevent me from taking communion or a venial sin?

The Catechism says every lie is grave.