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AndrewF1995
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As someone who was in 3rd grade 6 years ago, I can tell you it was FUN but didn’t really make a difference for me. I guess it was good because I was with other people who were catholic for a week.
Well, VBS is well under way for us now, and after the first day (which was VERY UNPLEASANT I will tell you that!) everything seems to be going well. Why was it unpleasant you say?I tend to feel the same way about such programs (and I agree with all of your post).
I never went to or even had anything like VBS when I was a kid. I got plenty of Catholic schooling at my very conservative parochial school, though I would have benefited from some more during the summer. I went on to, by the grace of God, remain loyal to Christ until I was about 27 or 28, when I fell away from Christianity totally, due to my then-girlfriend’s own falling away into paganism.
She grew up with it, and so did her sister; her sister is pretty much now a Christian In Name Only and thoroughly liberalized and secularized in most all other ways. My wife returned to Christianity and followed me into the Church when I pulled my head out of my spiritual behind; she has good memories of VBS but I am left wondering if it really does what it should.
Now, I’m not trying to blow my own horn nor run down my wife’s bad choices nor my sister-in-law’s. All I am trying to say is that VBS only seems to matter if it really teaches serious Christianity and if the individual in question is otherwise brought up in a serious Christian environment - almost like CCD only matters if those conditions are met or Catholic school only matters if those conditions are met.
I think the issue is making sure serious Christianity is taught and not watered-down or dumbed-down for children. Kids can handle more than most adults give them credit for.
What’s a family VBS?Does VBS have the same affect as living in an active Catholic family every day does? Probably not, but unfortunately, there are an awful lot of kids who don’t have active Catholic parents. I think of things like VBS as planting little seeds. Nothing may grow out of it right away, but eventually I trust that something they heard or saw will come back to their minds and start to grow.
Two of the girls in my RCIA kids class were at VBS last year. They have very vivid memories of the stories and everything else. It was a wonderful experience for them. This year they were back with their mom and younger sister (we had a family VBS) and had a great time. The oldest even got to help teach a bit.
You admit that you have never experienced VBS.I tend to feel the same way about such programs (and I agree with all of your post).
I never went to or even had anything like VBS when I was a kid. I got plenty of Catholic schooling at my very conservative parochial school, though I would have benefited from some more during the summer. I went on to, by the grace of God, remain loyal to Christ until I was about 27 or 28, when I fell away from Christianity totally, due to my then-girlfriend’s own falling away into paganism.
She grew up with it, and so did her sister; her sister is pretty much now a Christian In Name Only and thoroughly liberalized and secularized in most all other ways. My wife returned to Christianity and followed me into the Church when I pulled my head out of my spiritual behind; she has good memories of VBS but I am left wondering if it really does what it should.
Now, I’m not trying to blow my own horn nor run down my wife’s bad choices nor my sister-in-law’s. All I am trying to say is that VBS only seems to matter if it really teaches serious Christianity and if the individual in question is otherwise brought up in a serious Christian environment - almost like CCD only matters if those conditions are met or Catholic school only matters if those conditions are met.
I think the issue is making sure serious Christianity is taught and not watered-down or dumbed-down for children. Kids can handle more than most adults give them credit for.
One thing you learn over time is to just schedule this stuff into your time line. That way, you take away the stress that it causes.Well, VBS is well under way for us now, and after the first day (which was VERY UNPLEASANT I will tell you that!) everything seems to be going well. Why was it unpleasant you say?
Because I have to say things like ‘Of course, Mrs. Jones, it won’t be a problem to put little Timmy into the group with his friend from down the street. Never mind that ends up shifting the kid from that group into another group, and actually ends up disrupting a third group. Never mind, I’ve already let everyone know that Little Timmy in group 4 has peanut allergies, and now I have to tell them all that he’s in group 5. And never mind that I still have 20 people to get through registration and we are supposed to start in five minutes. Never mind you knew a week ago which group little Timmy was going to be in and could have let me know them, instead of 5 minutes before we start. WHY WOULD THIS BE A PROBLEM?!?!?!’
Ahem.
Girl! You need to talk to the Daughters of St Paul and write a book about your VBS experiences, along with your very terrific ideas on how to run one.Well, VBS is well under way for us now, and after the first day (which was VERY UNPLEASANT I will tell you that!) everything seems to be going well. Why was it unpleasant you say?
Because I have to say things like ‘Of course, Mrs. Jones, it won’t be a problem to put little Timmy into the group with his friend from down the street. Never mind that ends up shifting the kid from that group into another group, and actually ends up disrupting a third group. Never mind, I’ve already let everyone know that Little Timmy in group 4 has peanut allergies, and now I have to tell them all that he’s in group 5. And never mind that I still have 20 people to get through registration and we are supposed to start in five minutes. Never mind you knew a week ago which group little Timmy was going to be in and could have let me know them, instead of 5 minutes before we start. WHY WOULD THIS BE A PROBLEM?!?!?!’
Ahem.
Aside from that, it seems to be going well.
The kids ARE indeed having a great time.
But I have to agree with your post here. I was ready for more serious theological discussion probably by 3rd grade. God loves me. I get it. God forgives me. I get it. But the bigger questions I didn’t get, and since what little christianity I was fed WAS so watered down, I thought there wasn’t anything else to it except the warm fuzzies.
Do you want to know something? A friend of mine, probably the only Catholic I know, she said something, probably ten years ago now that I never forgot.
Someone at a party was talking about evolution and there were some evangelical guests at the party and they went off on the creationism line, and then someone turned to my friend and said ‘You go to church. What do YOU think about all this?’ and my friend said ‘Oh, honey, I’m Catholic. We figured out what to do about evolution 1400 years before Darwin was even born.’ and that was all she said. (She was referring to the writings of St. Augustine talking about how to interpret Genesis.) This statement seemed not to startle anyone but me.
How can anyone have an answer to a question that hadn’t been asked yet?
But that was just it - when a church is 2,000 years old, you can rest assured that EVERY question has been asked and SOMEONE has come up with an answer. Will you like the answer? Maybe, maybe not, but rest assured you are not the first to have thought of it.
And it was like a lightning bolt when I was an atheist and I thought, ‘But how can God permit so much suffering?’ and then I realized that SO MANY saints had worked DIRECTLY with suffering people. They were themselves, suffering. And they were intensely in love with God the whole time. And, I thought, FOR THE FIRST TIME, mind you, ‘Huh, maybe, instead of assuming the Church doesn’t have an answer to this question, I should go find it.’ And I did. And I was satisfied with the answer.
But my point is, WHY did I assume that the church was nothing more than fluff all those years? Why did I think the Church had avoided tough questions? It’s because they HAD - not the Church as a whole but the people who REPRESENTED the church to me. When I asked why my grandmother had to have Alzheimer’s, I got a pat on the head, and a ‘God will take care of her’ and you know what? I deserved more than that.
So, I guess what I’m saying is - I get this VBS thing, and I like it. I like the role modeling that is going on that cat talked about. But this only further reminds me that it can’t stop here. These kids, ESPECIALLY the older teens helping out, they need a forum, or something like that, they can ask questions to. Hard questions. And they need to get the REAL meat and potatoes answer.
Maybe this is something i will talk to our new parish priest about.
But maybe I’ll wait til summer’s over. I think I’ll need a break after this week!!!![]()
Unless the teenagers in your area need to put in x numbers of hours before they can graduate. I agree with you because the same problem is happening in my area with the Church Bazaars. People have jobs and they can’t get off for something like this. Mostly it’s retired women and teens who are available. Of course, children love teenagers, they think they’re cool.My mom and aunt definitely used VBS as “guilt-free babysitting” when my cousins and I were younger. We made the rounds all summer–the Methodist church, the Baptist church, the non-denom church, and finally our C&MA church.
Most of those programs were in the evenings, though. I’d think it would be really hard to get volunteers for during the day.
I agree.One thing you learn over time is to just schedule this stuff into your time line. That way, you take away the stress that it causes.![]()
Depends a lot too on the child’s parents and their involvement to parish life. If mom and dad simply use VBS a temp baby-sitting service,VBS will slightly or have no bearing whatsoever,especially if mom and dad or not practicing Catholics.So, this year at my parish I am heading up vacation bible school (vbs). Until four months ago, actually, I had never even HEARD of vbs. Now, I know more than I EVER wanted to know. LOL!
Anyway, it’s a TON of work. Ridiculous. I’ve taken days off work to get things done, paid for babysitters to watch the kids so I could get stuff done, and that’s just ME. When you look at the work EVERYONE puts out collectively to put this on, it’s mind-blowing. All for a total of 15 hours of actual school time.
So, I ask you people - is this really worth it?
It builds community in the church,. That’s good. It’s certainly better that kids come to church and learn about God than sit in front of their TVs and learn God-knows-what. That’s good, too. But I can’t help but wonder, will any of this nonsense - will the pretzel snacks, and the crafts made out of paper tubes and skits where grown-ups have to act like idiots, will any of that really make any difference to a kid’s faith life?
I know it wouldn’t have for me, even as a kid.
I feel like, in the end, after the kids have been going to vbs for years, and then they help volunteer at it, and then they go off to college…and they’ll just become atheists like everyone else was and at that point, who really cares that you pretended you were a pirate in the basement of your church to learn that ‘God’s love is bigger than the ocean’.
I’ve been joking with the other volunteers that ‘I spent 20 hours building a ship out of foam. I spent another 5 hours making seagulls that say things like ‘Would you please donate a clear vinyl shower curtain to VBS?. I have spent time talking to parents who didn’t understand that it is REALLY REALLY important that you give me emergency contact information for your kids, even if you dont’ want to be bothered at work. I even set up a website, and learned a bit of HTML code! And VBS is STILL a week away and I have a TON of stuff to do. I have missed fun outings with my family, friends and co-workers, so I could do work for vacation Bible school. I’ve taken days off of work, hired babysitters, so I could do VBS stuff. If these kids go off to college, read ONE Nietzsche essay, and decide they’re atheists, I swear, I will find them, and I will beat them with my Holy Catholic Bible. Even the protestant ones I will beat with the Catholic Bible because it’s bigger, so it will hurt more.’
I’m joking…mostly.What I’m getting at of course, is really the title of this post, which is Does VBS make a difference in a person’s faith formation?
We had parents come with their kids. It was an interesting experience, like anything in some ways it was really good, in other ways not so much.What’s a family VBS?
Ugh. So sad but true. in our diocese, if you work with chldren you have to go through a brief training. One of the things they talked about was to have one exit/entrance, and have empty rooms locked, and I thought ‘How stupid is that?!?’ and then they went on to explain that things happen if given an opportunity, and empty rooms and unlatched doors are that very opportunity. It makes me not want to leave my house!!I haven’t mentioned this before, but I think it’s important to remember propriety in situations where there are children. No VBS student should ever be alone with an adult. There should always be more than one adult present, and if at all possible, the children and the adults should be easily visible to others, not hidden in little rooms with no windows. It’s sad that are our world is like this, but it is.
That is so funny! Isn’t it amazing that in this age of movie special effects and DSIs and video games and television that children can still be amused by a vaudeville trick that’s older than all of us added together!Ugh. So sad but true. in our diocese, if you work with chldren you have to go through a brief training. One of the things they talked about was to have one exit/entrance, and have empty rooms locked, and I thought ‘How stupid is that?!?’ and then they went on to explain that things happen if given an opportunity, and empty rooms and unlatched doors are that very opportunity. It makes me not want to leave my house!!
day 3 of VBS done - today was God is full of surprises. And we had three balls lined up on a table with tablecloths and you lift up the tablecloths and then on the 4th ball you say ‘What’s under here?’ and they say ‘a SOCCER BALL!!!’ and you say ‘Is it?’ and, instead it’s a volunteer’s head (with the hole cut from cardboard attached to the table and all of that!) We have a new parish priest so i asked him to do it, and those kids were STUNNED!!! First that it was a person and NOT a soccer ball, AND that it was GASP! their priest!!! It helped that he’s new, and therefore he’s still willing to get bossed around by people like me.:thumbsup:
So, he popped out and said SURPRISE!
tHE KIDS WENT CRAZY!
However, this weeks’ VBS is not without its problems. We have some kids who aren’t acting right, some crew leaders who aren’t acting right, and some kids who are being downright terrible to eachother. that’s this week’s nonsense…I suppose we’ll get it all worked out tomorrow.