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Yahweh speaks to Moses and Aaron, saying,
**The LORD said to Moses and Aaron,
“Separate yourselves from this assembly so I can put an end to them at once.”
But Moses and Aaron fell facedown and cried out, “O God, God of every human spirit, will you be angry with the entire assembly when only one man sins?**”
Numbers 16:20-16:22
So Yahweh planned to destroy everyone, wipe everyone out in that congregation, except Moses and Aaron apparently, and then Moses and Aaron pointed out to Him that it wasn’t really fair because only one man had sinned, and Yahweh planned to kill everyone because of this one man. So what happens in the end is that Yahweh decides not to kill everybody, and instead He wipes out 250 people altogether, he wipes them out, he kills them.
So the point is that there are several examples in the Bible e.g Numbers 16:20 onwards, where Yahweh planned on doing something, I am going to do X, and then for various reasons then decided to do Y. Yahweh changes his mind, God changes his mind. I’ve read a discussion where people discuss which of these options was the best thing to do. Was it what Yahweh was planning on doing, i.e. wipe out everybody or X, or was it to only wipe out 250 people. What was the best option? The reason this is an important question is that it suggests that Yahweh actually that His initial plans were wrong, on the basis of the unjustness of it, of punishing the whole community on the basis of a few people, it suggests His initial plan was a bad plan, His initial plan was incorrect, and once he learned, once He was pressed on this He realized this and so He wanted to do the thing that turned out to be better.
Is that how it is?
How do you understand that? Was His initial plan good and His eventual action good as well? How does that work?
There are examples too, Numbers 14:11-24, & 16:41-50, Exodus 32:9-14,
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I also have another query, In Genesis 6:7 Yahweh says, ''So the LORD said, "I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them."
So Yahweh created everything, and then when everyone had wicked, apparently, He regrets making them in the first place. So He is saying that He has made a mistake.
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And also king Saul, when King Saul disobeyed a particular act, when he in this case didn’t kill the Amelkites like Yaheweh told him too, then the word of Yahweh came to Samuel and said, ‘**‘I regret that I have made Saul king, because he has turned away from me and has not carried out my instructions." Samuel was angry, and he cried out to the LORD all that night.’’ Samuel 15:10-11
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Again, it says that Yahweh rejected that He made Saul a King. Again, the idea that He made a wrong desicion. It says,
**’‘Until the day Samuel died, he did not go to see Saul again, though Samuel mourned for him. And the LORD regretted that he had made Saul king over Israel.’’ 1 Samuel 15:35
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So we see plenty of examples where Yahweh himself realizes that He did the wrong thing. But how can this be if God is omniscient and knows everything that happens before it happens. Does Yahweh know everything before it happens?
Well there are signs that no he doesn’t. There is another example in Genesis 8:20,
**Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous
21, that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."**
Yahweh has heard about the wickedness of Sodom and Gomorra but He’s had to come down and see if these things were really true, so in other words he doesn’t know for definite all he has heard is a rumor and He’s coming down and He says I will find out, and if it’s not true, then I will know, how will He know, by going and seeing what happens.
There are other examples, like in 2 Chronicles 32:31, ‘‘But when envoys were sent by the rulers of Babylon to ask him about the miraculous sign that had occurred in the land, God left him to test him and to know everything that was in his heart.’’
So what we see according to all these passages is that Yahweh does not know everything , he changes His mind, he has to learn new information, he does thing which are wrong, and he regrets doing those things later on.
Is Yahweh not similar to human beings in that He doesn’t know everything, He learns new information, He regrets things that He does, He does wrong things etc.
See also, Deuteronomy 8:2, 13:3, & Judges 2:21-22.
By the way, in Genesis 18:20 it says Yahweh talks and has food etc. with Abraham. Is this LITERAL? Did Yahweh really sit and chat etc. with Abraham?
I would really like some feedback on all of this! Thank you!
**The LORD said to Moses and Aaron,
“Separate yourselves from this assembly so I can put an end to them at once.”
But Moses and Aaron fell facedown and cried out, “O God, God of every human spirit, will you be angry with the entire assembly when only one man sins?**”
Numbers 16:20-16:22
So Yahweh planned to destroy everyone, wipe everyone out in that congregation, except Moses and Aaron apparently, and then Moses and Aaron pointed out to Him that it wasn’t really fair because only one man had sinned, and Yahweh planned to kill everyone because of this one man. So what happens in the end is that Yahweh decides not to kill everybody, and instead He wipes out 250 people altogether, he wipes them out, he kills them.
So the point is that there are several examples in the Bible e.g Numbers 16:20 onwards, where Yahweh planned on doing something, I am going to do X, and then for various reasons then decided to do Y. Yahweh changes his mind, God changes his mind. I’ve read a discussion where people discuss which of these options was the best thing to do. Was it what Yahweh was planning on doing, i.e. wipe out everybody or X, or was it to only wipe out 250 people. What was the best option? The reason this is an important question is that it suggests that Yahweh actually that His initial plans were wrong, on the basis of the unjustness of it, of punishing the whole community on the basis of a few people, it suggests His initial plan was a bad plan, His initial plan was incorrect, and once he learned, once He was pressed on this He realized this and so He wanted to do the thing that turned out to be better.
Is that how it is?
How do you understand that? Was His initial plan good and His eventual action good as well? How does that work?
There are examples too, Numbers 14:11-24, & 16:41-50, Exodus 32:9-14,
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I also have another query, In Genesis 6:7 Yahweh says, ''So the LORD said, "I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them."
So Yahweh created everything, and then when everyone had wicked, apparently, He regrets making them in the first place. So He is saying that He has made a mistake.
–
And also king Saul, when King Saul disobeyed a particular act, when he in this case didn’t kill the Amelkites like Yaheweh told him too, then the word of Yahweh came to Samuel and said, ‘**‘I regret that I have made Saul king, because he has turned away from me and has not carried out my instructions." Samuel was angry, and he cried out to the LORD all that night.’’ Samuel 15:10-11
**
Again, it says that Yahweh rejected that He made Saul a King. Again, the idea that He made a wrong desicion. It says,
**’‘Until the day Samuel died, he did not go to see Saul again, though Samuel mourned for him. And the LORD regretted that he had made Saul king over Israel.’’ 1 Samuel 15:35
**
–
So we see plenty of examples where Yahweh himself realizes that He did the wrong thing. But how can this be if God is omniscient and knows everything that happens before it happens. Does Yahweh know everything before it happens?
Well there are signs that no he doesn’t. There is another example in Genesis 8:20,
**Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous
21, that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."**
Yahweh has heard about the wickedness of Sodom and Gomorra but He’s had to come down and see if these things were really true, so in other words he doesn’t know for definite all he has heard is a rumor and He’s coming down and He says I will find out, and if it’s not true, then I will know, how will He know, by going and seeing what happens.
There are other examples, like in 2 Chronicles 32:31, ‘‘But when envoys were sent by the rulers of Babylon to ask him about the miraculous sign that had occurred in the land, God left him to test him and to know everything that was in his heart.’’
So what we see according to all these passages is that Yahweh does not know everything , he changes His mind, he has to learn new information, he does thing which are wrong, and he regrets doing those things later on.
Is Yahweh not similar to human beings in that He doesn’t know everything, He learns new information, He regrets things that He does, He does wrong things etc.
See also, Deuteronomy 8:2, 13:3, & Judges 2:21-22.
By the way, in Genesis 18:20 it says Yahweh talks and has food etc. with Abraham. Is this LITERAL? Did Yahweh really sit and chat etc. with Abraham?
I would really like some feedback on all of this! Thank you!
