Does your EF provide veils for women?

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Bill_B_NY said:
There’s long history, but at Vatican II, bishops and even the Pope mistakenly said that the TLM was forbidden. This struck many Catholics as being wrong (and it was proven later to indeed be wrong). So, they tried to keep the TLM but were forbidden and punished from doing that.
So, some number of clergy just went ahead without permission and offered TLMs. They had to create their own independent parishes.
Many of those are still around today.
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Thank you for explaining 🙂
 
I have been trying to Research this. According to 1917 Code of Canon Law, veiling was mandatory for women. Then 1983 came around and 1917 was abrogated. Veiling is not mentioned in the 1983 Code, and veiling has generally fallen out of practice Since. Just because it is not mentioned in the 1983 though, does not mean it is done away with and non mandatory any longer. A failure to address directly is not the same as abrogation. Unless there is an official church statement somewhere, it would appear that veiling truly isn’t non-mandatory.
 
Traddy1962 said:
I have been trying to Research this. According to 1917 Code of Canon Law, veiling was mandatory for women. Then 1983 came around and 1917 was abrogated. Veiling is not mentioned in the 1983 Code, and veiling has generally fallen out of practice Since. Just because it is not mentioned in the 1983 though, does not mean it is done away with and non mandatory any longer. A failure to address directly is not the same as abrogation. Unless there is an official church statement somewhere, it would appear that veiling truly isn’t non-mandatory.
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it’s a fascinating viewpoint.
The bishops will have a lot to answer for if it is correct.
But I think God just permits a slow change. EF communities have a big influence as I notice more and more (especially younger) women at OF Masses covering head (veil or other).
Perhaps many years ahead, when most women have returned to traditional practice, a Pope will declare “rule on head coverings was never abrogated”). It could be.
 
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That would be wonderful. The Veiling of women in sacred places is a long standing church tradition, and biblical. It is a shame it ever fell out of practice. I notice this too though, in my diocese(even in some of the more liberal parishes) many many young women are returning to veiling. It is a beautiful thing to see.
 
I know it was abrogated. The 1983 replaced it, but when the church has a teaching on a certain thing(veiling), even when the old code is replaced, it doesn’t just mean they cease to enforce a law. It’s problematic because the 1983 doesn’t address it, but just because it is not addressed does not mean it ceases to be. They don’t just pretend veiling was never a thing. It is especially problematic since veiling is a long tradition in the church going back much further than 1917 and even into the New Testament where we find passages about women covering their heads.
 
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Traddy1962 said:
I know it was abrogated. The 1983 replaced it, but when the church has a teaching on a certain thing(veiling), even when the old code is replaced, it doesn’t just mean they cease to enforce a law. It’s problematic because the 1983 doesn’t address it, but just because it is not addressed does not mean it ceases to be. They don’t just pretend veiling was never a thing.
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It isn’t problematic at all. It was a disciplinary practice, not doctrinal. So, by not including it in the Code, it did indeed cease to be as an obligation. Women are free to wear a head covering at Mass —or not.
 
Traddy1962 said:
I notice this too though, in my diocese(even in some of the more liberal parishes) many many young women are returning to veiling. It is a beautiful thing to see.
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I agree! There are so many dimensions to this practice. It’s not a small matter. I find it has a huge impact, for those who practice it and for those who see it. As a man I find it very moving and a reflection of sacred teaching, from Bible and tradition. Much more about femininity and how that gift is offered to God, and How He views the beauty of the same.
 
Traddy1962 said:
I know it was abrogated. The 1983 replaced it, but when the church has a teaching on a certain thing(veiling), even when the old code is replaced, it doesn’t just mean they cease to enforce a law. It’s problematic because the 1983 doesn’t address it, but just because it is not addressed does not mean it ceases to be. They don’t just pretend veiling was never a thing. It is especially problematic since veiling is a long tradition in the church going back much further than 1917 and even into the New Testament where we find passages about women covering their heads.
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You’re not the first person I’ve heard try to make this case. I think it is wishful thinking. Without the force of law, wearing a veil becomes a private devotion.
 
Can. 6

Can. 6 §1. When this Code takes force, the following are abrogated:

1/ the Code of Canon Law promulgated in 1917;

2/ other universal or particular laws contrary to the prescripts of this Code unless other provision is expressly made for particular laws;

3/ any universal or particular penal laws whatsoever issued by the Apostolic See unless they are contained in this Code;

4/ other universal disciplinary laws regarding matter which this Code completely reorders.

It was Can 1262 in the 1917 Code of Canon Law. And the whole 1917 Code was abrogated when the 1983 Code came into force - therefore veiling was abrogated.

Vatican II, Canon 1262, and chapel veils - Canon Lawyer Edward N. Peters, JD, JCD, Ref. Sig. Ap.
 
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We had some handmade veils for sale for a while, and those were popular. It was hard to keep it going though.
 
mrsdizzyd said:
You’re not the first person I’ve heard try to make this case. I think it is wishful thinking. Without the force of law, wearing a veil becomes a private devotion.
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I am very confused why you would say such a thing, as a Catholic. Saint Peter was the one who specifically reinforced women covering their heads when praying. You guys claim he is the first Pope. If he is, then why is it okay to ignore what he said? Does the Holy Spirit change His mind? To one Pope He says to tell women to cover their heads when praying and to another Pope He says to tell them to wear whatever they like?
 
Mary888 said:
I am very confused why you would say such a thing, as a Catholic. Saint Peter was the one who specifically reinforced women covering their heads when praying. You guys claim he is the first Pope. If he is, then why is it okay to ignore what he said? Does the Holy Spirit change His mind? To one Pope He says to tell women to cover their heads when praying and to another Pope He says to tell them to wear whatever they like?
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Yes, you are confused about the difference between doctrine and discipline.

Head covering is not a doctrine.
 
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