Does your EF provide veils for women?

[mrsdizzyd]

No need to apologize!

 

[Traddy1962]

This is very true, but given that something like 90% of Catholics see nothing wrong with contraception and just as many use them, says something is seriously wrong here.

 

[Bill_B_NY]

This is very true, but given that something like 90% of Catholics see nothing wrong with contraception and just as many use them, says something is seriously wrong here.

Exactly. And that’s about the same percentage of priests who never say or do anything about it.

 

[Pitcairn17]

We have a non-diocesan TLM where head-covering is obligatory. Women will be approached and required to wear, or else escorted out. They get 100% compliance, and I don’t think any have had to leave. But still … it cuts against our current culture.

If “escorted out” involves any degree of hand-on-arm, hand-on-shoulder, or any physical contact at all, that’s assault, and such a church would deservedly be in line for criminal and civil complaints, I would surely hope if that’s what it took to end such an outrageous practice.

 

[mrsdizzyd]

Traddy1962:

Your joking right?

Yesterday I would have thought so. But as flags flew on my posts … let’s say I learned a lot about CAF people.

You might be surprise at the things that get said here by people who are not joking. I learned the hard way that around here you really need to sign post a joke.

 

[Traddy1962]

Thank you for the link! That was a nice, informative narrative on the topic. That’s what I was hoping to find.

 

[UpUpAndAway]

To answer the original question, no, it doesn’t. Those of us who cover bring our own gear. The vast majority don’t cover.

 

[augustinegirl]

@Bill_B_NY I do not consider myself to be “traditional” or “liberal” Catholic - just Catholic - but the veils for women isn’t what bothers me, it’s other people’s insistence that all women wear veils. I’m a relatively young Catholic woman, by no means a feminist, have a devotion to Mary, like both the NO and the TLM, but I don’t like the fixation on veils.

Veils are no longer mandated by the church. For some woman who feel that the veil helps them grow closer to God, that’s beautiful. For me, I feel like I’d be drawing attention to myself as that’s a temptation for me and I want to avoid that temptation. As long as the Church doesn’t say so, I like that the practice of wearing a veil is up to the individual.

 

[JulianN]

Bring some pork chops in the synagogue wearing a swastika’ t-shirt?

Are you seriously comparing a woman who does not comply with an arbitrary demand at an illicit Mass to wearing a swastika in a synagogue?

 

[Tis_Bearself]

An example, for a time (I think still) women are not permitted with certain attire to enter St. Peter’s Basilica. For a time, (maybe still) they had to be veiled even after Vatican II.

i can confirm that veils or other women’s head coverings have not been required in St. Peter’s Basilica for years as of now.

 

[redal]

We have a non-diocesan TLM where head-covering is obligatory. Women will be approached and required to wear, or else escorted out

Whether they have never had to escort women out because of 100% compliance or not, this would be enough for me to look for a Parish offering a welcoming EF Mass…any Parish that refers to the EF as a “TLM” would be a first warning for me, but a faux rule not coming as a directive of a Bishop, would be the final deal breaker.

 

[1ke]

i can confirm that veils or other women’s head coverings have not been required in St. Peter’s Basilica for years as of now.

Including in 1985 when I was first there, a mere 2 years after the new code of canon law was promulgated.

 

[mrsdizzyd]

A veil only mutes and moderates it.

Are you sure about that? I’ve seen some very striking ones that do anything but that.

 

[CradleRC58]

Therefore, nothing has been “forgotten” if a woman shows up without a veil.

Never happens ?

Hard to believe some don’t forget on occasion.

 

[IanM]

Actually you have touched on an interesting (to me at least) topic here. How do people who are somewhat “germaphobic” approach Communion in the hand after exchanging a handshake with another person at the sign of peace, or after touching the pew rail which has inevitably been touched by many others over time? I have never encountered any hand sanitation at any OF Mass I have attended. Has anyone experienced a parish that assists worried laity in this matter?

 

[Jessie]

I attend when possible a TLM parish (FSSP). If say it’s roughly 50/50 of women who wear head coverings. I’d be interested if this goes down in the summer, as many of the head coverings are hats.

The priest mentioned it in passing once during a conversation as being totally up to the individual, there’s no requirement.

I have a veil but still feel self conscious about wearing it, as so few do (I reckon only 2 other women do, the rest wear hats or scarves). I therefore usually wear a hat. So I’m not sure what I’ll do come the warmer weather. I have forgotten mine a couple of times. Or rather, brought it with me in the car, then not seen it, assumed I’d forgotten it, then found it afterwards in the footwell

I’ve seen more women in a very traditional NO parish in UK wearing veils than I do in our TLM. From CAF it seems to me that things are very different in the US to Europe.

 

[Phemie]

I’m 66, and as I recall, the requirement to cover our heads had been done away with before I got married in 1975. I’m pretty sure the rule was gone by the time I’d graduated from high school in 1971.

 

[thistle]

Women will be approached and required to wear, or else escorted out.

Frankly, that is totally ridiculous. Head covering is NOT obligatory at either EF or OF.
Banning a person from Mass in my view is tantamount to a sin.

 

[Lea101]

True, it doesn’t follow or make sense. That’s the problem that we face in the modern Church today

You don’t believe that the modern Church has authority? Change is not inherently bad. The Mass Paul and Peter experienced would not be the same as the current TLM.

As to the original topic, i would feel uncomfortable wearing veils that aren’t mine. I don’t want to wear something that touched the sweaty or oily head of someone before me! I’m sure it’s considerate and temples/mosques usually do this (full length skirts/etc to put over your clothes). But something used by many that goes over my head is icky to me.

 

[Brendan_64]

We have a non-diocesan TLM where head-covering is obligatory. Women will be approached and required to wear, or else escorted out.

I think that is wrong. There is no requirement mandated by the Church for women to wear head coverings during Mass. It may be common practice at EF Masses, but it is not a requirement of the Mass.

At both the FSSP EF Mass that I ocassionally attend and the diocesan EF Mass I attend more often, there is no requirement for women to wear head-coverings. At the FSSP EF Mass, most women (but not all) seem to wear head-coverings, but at the diocesan EF Mass, most women do not seem to do so. Does it matter that much? I don’t really think so.

I also think that if the EF Mass is to spread out amongst people who are used to attending the OF Mass, then is policing a dress codes that is in effect culturally alien to new attendees at EF Masses a good idea?