Does Your Local OF Mass Use a Chalice Veil?

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GwenL said:
For the EF, the chalice veil and burse are required, as is the purification rite at the altar during the Mass. For the OF, all are optional; the sacred vessels may be purified at a side table after the Mass.

We use special chalice veils and burses for the EF; these sets are the same material and color as the priest’s (Roman) chasuble and maniple. So far, we have a set in gold, black, and violet.

We use “everyday” chalice veils and burses for the OF–Sunday and daily Masses. We have all the liturgical colors.

At most Masses, purification of the sacred vessels is done by the priest or deacon at the altar. At bigger Masses, with four chalices offered for the people, the purification of those vessels is done after Mass by the priest or deacon.

Lay people may not purify the vessels. As sacristan, I wash them thoroughly with soap and water after the ritual purification is complete.
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Why do you use different sets?

Our priests use both a veil and a burse, except occasionally for daily Mass. I know that most of our vestments and other liturgical items belong to the parish, but each priest also owns some of his own. I can’t say which is which.

We do not distribute the Precious Blood, so their is only the priest’s own chalice which he purifies at the altar. The empty ciboria are carried back to the sacristy by the altar boys. The remaining hosts are reserved by the priest - the tabernacle is a few steps away from the altar in the sanctuary.
 
I belong to an OF parish run by the diocese, occasionally attend an EF Mass, and frequently went to daily Mass (also OF) at a church operated by a religious order of priests as well as a local Marian shrine also operated by a different religious order of priests. I don’t think I’ve ever seen Mass celebrated without it starting with a burse and chalice veil. However, right now I’m recuperating from surgery and still on strong pain meds: If you were to offer me a thousand dollars to identify at what specific point in the Mass those items are removed, although I know that it is obviously at some point before water is added to the wine, I would not be able to tell you!
 
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Laypeople are allowed to do the “final cleaning” of the vessels, that is to say, a deeper cleaning inside and out, but they are not allowed to do the purification rite itself with the Quod ore sumpsimus.
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Tigg said:
Thank you! This is my understanding as well. We have a parish in town which is disobedient to this and allows the EMHC’s to purify the vessels. The pastor, a monsignor, justifies this by saying, “I don’t have a deacon!” WRONG!!!
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This happens in my parish as well on all weekend Masses I’m sad to say despite the New GIRM saying otherwise. Six EMHC’s distributing Holy Communion and Four EMHC’s Distributing the Precious Blood of Christ. It makes for a lot of sacred vessel clean up and purification. Add the usual over abundance in sacred consecrated wine that needs to be consumed. Chalice Veils went out of commission 12 years ago. Superfulous nuisance.
 
Mrs_Sally said:
Why do you use different sets?

Our priests use both a veil and a burse, except occasionally for daily Mass. I know that most of our vestments and other liturgical items belong to the parish, but each priest also owns some of his own. I can’t say which is which.

We do not distribute the Precious Blood, so their is only the priest’s own chalice which he purifies at the altar. The empty ciboria are carried back to the sacristy by the altar boys. The remaining hosts are reserved by the priest - the tabernacle is a few steps away from the altar in the sanctuary.
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We use different sets because our rector has (so far) three total sets, in matching patterns and colors (violet, black, gold), of Roman chasuble, maniple, stole, burse, and chalice veil. Two are sets that the parish ladies sewed for him; another he bought online. The patterns and colors of the chalice veil and burse sets don’t match any of the other chasuble/stole sets in the closet. Also, we reserve these complete matching sets for “special occasions,” including the TLM, Christmas, Feast of St Francis (our priests are OFM Conventuals), Easter, and the like. Funerals also!

For daily and Sunday use, we also have burse/chalice veil sets in red, violet, green, and white. They are a plain silk with a stitched gold cross on the front, no complicated patterns or materials. They get a lot more wear and tear, and will need to be replaced soon. They get stains from water and wine and ashes, etc. We’re trying to preserve the matching sets for special occasions.
 
centurionguard said:
This happens in my parish as well on all weekend Masses I’m sad to say despite the New GIRM saying otherwise. Six EMHC’s distributing Holy Communion and Four EMHC’s Distributing the Precious Blood of Christ. It makes for a lot of sacred vessel clean up and purification. Add the usual over abundance in sacred consecrated wine that needs to be consumed. Chalice Veils went out of commission 12 years ago. Superfulous nuisance.
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10 EMHC’s for every Mass?! :eek:
 
maltmom said:
Again, I want to make sure what I’m saying is correct. After Communion my Priest will wipe any crumbs of the Body from each ciborium into a chalice. He does the same with the patens. Then he pours water into one of the chalices from the EMHCs, swirls it, pours it into the other EMHC chalice, drinks it, chalices with a purifier and hands them to an altar server. He does the same with his chalice up to the part of handing it to an altar server. He then covers it with the purifier, small paten and chalice veil. Then he folds the corporal and places it in the burse which is held by an altar server. The altar server places it on top of the veiled chalice and removes it from the altar.

Is that purifying the vessels?
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Yes, this is the way it should be done. Our parish, in fact the whole diocese as far as I know, uses the chalice veil.

Actually, it fell into disuse for a number of years. Then, I recall a young priest newly assigned started using the chailce veil, and before long everyone was using it.
 
smndtupidisaftr said:
10 EMHC’s for every Mass?! :eek:
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Everybody in the congregation likes expediency these days when going up to receive the Blessed Lord.🤷

Perhaps some get the idea that once they’ve gone to Mass they’ve fullfilled their Sabbath Day committment.

Gee; I remember the days in the Church many decades ago when there was just the priest distributing Holy Communion. And then there were times when the priest had a deacon to assist him.
 
centurionguard said:
This happens in my parish as well on all weekend Masses I’m sad to say despite the New GIRM saying otherwise. Six EMHC’s distributing Holy Communion and Four EMHC’s Distributing the Precious Blood of Christ. It makes for a lot of sacred vessel clean up and purification. Add the usual over abundance in sacred consecrated wine that needs to be consumed. Chalice Veils went out of commission 12 years ago. Superfulous nuisance.
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You’re at the Cathedral parish aren’t you? Do they use glass vessels? I ask because I was a the cathechetical conference last year and at the closing Mass they used glass vessels and the Archbishop fractured the bread at the consecration. Needless to say I was more than a little shocked.
 
No veil or burse in my parish but the Pastor purifies the vessels himself right after Communion.

On the 13th the Pastor was away and we had another priest celebrating Mass. The EMHCs were back to purifying the vessels because this priest refuses to do so.
 
Phemie said:
You’re at the Cathedral parish aren’t you? Do they use glass vessels? I ask because I was a the cathechetical conference last year and at the closing Mass they used glass vessels and the Archbishop fractured the bread at the consecration. Needless to say I was more than a little shocked.
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I’m always shocked when things like this happen, things that are expressly disallowed by RS. I also get shocked by things like this, which are clearly disallowed and show a horrid sense of judgment.

youtube.com/watch?v=YL9tmkBS9K0

See at about 1 hour where you have wicker baskets to hold the bread, a glass plate, and glass “flagons” for wine. Tell me how is the fractioning rite supposed to work when the Sacred Body will produce crumbs.

At least with the chalice veil it is a choice and using and not using it is not inherently a wrong choice.
 
anp1215 said:
No, I don’t believe I’ve seen one.

What’s a burse?
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A burse (related to the word “purse”) is the upholstered square typically-cardboard or starched ‘pocket’ into which is placed the folded Corporal (the large white square of linen that sits in the middle of the altar, under where the Priest places the chalice(s) and ciboria during the consecration) after Communion.

The burse is then placed on top of one of the chalices (there may be more than one burse in use, but only one Corporal) and then the veil is draped neatly over the burse.

Burses will be available for the liturgical colour of the day and may be richly decorated. Here are a lot of burses and veils: luzarvestments.co.uk/veilburse.htm.

If everything is being done very correctly the chalice should be veiled on the credance table until the Offertory as well whereupon the Chalices should be unveiled and made ready and the Corporal should be laid out ready for the consecration. A lot of times though, the chalices and corporal are already on the Altar prior to the beginning of Mass (veiled or unveiled), although technically that shouldn’t be the case.
 
Phemie said:
You’re at the Cathedral parish aren’t you? Do they use glass vessels? I ask because I was a the cathechetical conference last year and at the closing Mass they used glass vessels and the Archbishop fractured the bread at the consecration. Needless to say I was more than a little shocked.
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All Masses done at the Cathedral are in French with the exception of ordination Masses and other special Masses which are bilingually versed.

Since late fall last year , all glass, crystal vessels have been all eliminated at the Cathedral. Much having to do with complaints sent to the Nuncio and an official ongoing investigation by Vatican and Nuncio officials happening in my Archdiocese due to several issues surrounding several clerical sexual scandals and liturgical abuses.

A new Archbishop was just recently ordained for our city. I don’t always go to the Cathedral; but rather choose the mother catholic parish of the archdiocese built in 1882 just a few blocks from the cathedral. Seats 800-850
 
centurionguard said:
All Masses done at the Cathedral are in French with the exception of ordination Masses and other special Masses which are bilingually versed.

Since late fall last year , all glass, crystal vessels have been all eliminated at the Cathedral. Much having to do with complaints sent to the Nuncio and an official ongoing investigation by Vatican and Nuncio officials happening in my Archdiocese due to several issues surrounding several clerical sexual scandals and liturgical abuses.

A new Archbishop was just recently ordained for our city. I don’t always go to the Cathedral; but rather choose the mother catholic parish of the archdiocese built in 1882 just a few blocks from the cathedral. Seats 800-850
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Right, I remember now that the Archbishop who was at that conference retired last year and was replaced by the bishop of the diocese I still call ‘home’ although I haven’t lived there for almost 40 years – but will again within the next 5. Old habits die hard.🙂
 
Yes, yes and kind of.

Yes, we use a Chalice Veil. And yes, we use a burse.

Our priest (or deacon) will purify the vessels right after communion, but they do it in a room behind the altar. For daily Mass, they do it in sight of everyone.
 
marleelynn said:
my parish has eleven EMs plus the priest for a total of 12. six bread and six wine. suspending the wine until after flu season.
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We have four usually. The precious blood is not offered though. We also have 4priests and 2 deacons in my parish. 😃
 
I didn’t know what they were called, but yes we do use the veil and burse. We have them in the various colors.

I’ve never noticed when at another church though. I just thought it was normal. 🙂
 
In one of my parishes (our parishes are linking over the next couple years) they use a chalice veil and the priest does purification. At the other parish, a chalice veil is used by one of the priests and the extraordinary ministers of holy communion with the help of a sacristan take care of purification. It should be an interesting merger 🙂
 
Another_Mary said:
I didn’t know what they were called, but yes we do use the veil and burse. **
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I’ve never noticed when at another church though. I just thought it was normal. 🙂
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The color of the burse and veil should match the liturgical color of the day ( the color vestments that the priest is wearing)
 
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