Dog Meat

[Tamsulosin]

Sometimes I think that there may be a reason why the head of animals is rarely sold in butcher’s stores or grocery stores.Not because there is no flesh in them,but because people do not wish to face their victims.It is different from a shapeless steak or cutlet.
What if cow heads were lined up in the fridge shelves at the supermarket,
their eyes glazed and their tongues hanging out?
We want to be spared of looking at the reality of the cruelty involved in producing our steaks.
If it is breaded,shaped and packaged prettily,we soon forget and go for it.

 

[KEVIN_WILCOX]

Thank you for your post and the info. We can only do the best we can but there is no excuse for deliberate cruelty like dogs being tortured to make the meat sweeter.

Thought I knew about the main animal charities, is it based in the US? I will read about it.

I don’t think torturing the dogs makes the meat sweeter (no I haven’t tried it, not about to). If cows are relaxed prior to slaughter they are not in shock in death, the muscles are relaxed, the meat ‘is sweeter’.

This thread is fast becoming an argument for and against vegetarianism / veganism.
The early disciples killed fish, Our Lord grilled it - sanctioning the eating of meat? Not saying the more fish (or meat) the holier!
Where do we go from seeing the benefit of a meatless diet - the Jain religion?

There are places in the world where a vegetarian diet are not that practical - the Arctic, and above the snowline in the Himalayas.

Someone posted saying gorillas don’t eat meat, they do, they have occasional hunting parties. Their diets a bit like the bear.

 

[4elise]

Sometimes I think that there may be a reason why the head of animals is rarely sold in butcher’s stores or grocery stores.Not because there is no flesh in them,but because people do not wish to face their victims.It is different from a shapeless steak or cutlet.
What if cow heads were lined up in the fridge shelves at the supermarket,
their eyes glazed and their tongues hanging out?
We want to be spared of looking at the reality of the cruelty involved in producing our steaks.
If it is breaded,shaped and packaged prettily,we soon forget and go for it.

We also don’t call it cow - it is beef - not pig, but pork ----- I guess with chicken and turkey since they have feathers it doesn’t matter?

 

[Newbie2]

lol.

Dude, are u really a veterinarian, or is that your cover story??? You have a wicked sense of animal humor!!!

Really, that’s my day job. Roman Army got it.

Dude, what have u been smokin’??? We did not develop physiologically from herbivores to omnivores.
I thought that was you were trying to prove. My bad if I misinterpreted. BTW, I don’t necessarily reject out of hand that our human species has evolved from the beginning of time in terms of our anatomical and physiological digestive characteristics. Our appendix, for example, exists now only to cause problems. Perhaps it once had a useful function. BTW, I don’t smoke. Anything.

There is no known case of this (and that’s kind of the point). We developed socially and behaviorally, not physiologically. It is a social adaptation. Our closest biological relative is not an herbivore, it is a frugivore (primate). You’ve been hangin’ out with the horses for too long!!!

Problem with your assessment is that we have incisors and eye (canine) teeth, which have no useful function for a herbivore. Explain that one. Perhaps we can have a dentist explain the usefulness of each type of teeth that we have in terms of what seems to be it’s proper function.

We also don’t call it cow - it is beef - not pig, but pork ----- I guess with chicken and turkey since they have feathers it doesn’t matter?

Did you see Pulp Fiction? Sam Jackson’s character has a line, “I don’t dig on Swine”, explaining to John Travolta’s character why he doesn’t eat bacon.

 

[4elise]

Did you see Pulp Fiction? Sam Jackson’s character has a line, “I don’t dig on Swine”, explaining to John Travolta’s character why he doesn’t eat bacon.

nope never did - can you imagine McD offering the mc cow with cheese - or mc pig rib sandwiches? Think it might ‘offend’ the kids?

 

[severus68]

I don’t think torturing the dogs makes the meat sweeter (no I haven’t tried it, not about to). If cows are relaxed prior to slaughter they are not in shock in death, the muscles are relaxed, the meat ‘is sweeter’.

This thread is fast becoming an argument for and against vegetarianism / veganism.
The early disciples killed fish, Our Lord grilled it - sanctioning the eating of meat? Not saying the more fish (or meat) the holier!
Where do we go from seeing the benefit of a meatless diet - the Jain religion?

There are places in the world where a vegetarian diet are not that practical - the Arctic, and above the snowline in the Himalayas.

Someone posted saying gorillas don’t eat meat, they do, they have occasional hunting parties. Their diets a bit like the bear.

That is the thinking. In Korea, they used to bring along a dog for a picnic and hang it over a fire, alive. Don’t know whether that is still done today. How are cows “relaxed” before slaughter?

3% of the food of some gorillas are termited and caterpillars, 25 of some others are grubs, ants, snails. The rest are fruits etc.Dont know where you got that.Marfran, would you know?

The diet of the Hunzas who live high up on the Himalayas is largely vegetarian. They live long and are very healthy. Don’t know how long that will last with “development” etc.

Vegetarianism would come in of course, if we are talking about cruelty to animals. What are you liberating animals from if not from cruelty?

 

[KEVIN_WILCOX]

That is the thinking. In Korea, they used to bring along a dog for a picnic and hang it over a fire, alive. Don’t know whether that is still done today. How are cows “relaxed” before slaughter?

3% of the food of some gorillas are termited and caterpillars, 25 of some others are grubs, ants, snails. The rest are fruits etc.Dont know where you got that.Marfran, would you know?

The diet of the Hunzas who live high up on the Himalayas is largely vegetarian. They live long and are very healthy. Don’t know how long that will last with “development” etc.

Vegetarianism would come in of course, if we are talking about cruelty to animals. What are you liberating animals from if not from cruelty?

Wagyu beef - the cattle are massaged (& given beer to drink) and in Australia animal behaviourists are ‘whispering’ cattle so as they are relaxed before the kill ( for example special shaped pens, cattle killed as swiftly as possible and out of sight of others). Adrenalin released in stressed cattle (the flight or fight hormone) stresses muscle, and meat is tough and their skin is more valuable as leather if it is undamaged: Farmers have found financial / value adding benefits in reducing cattle stress.

Gorillas (especially the Cross River Gorilla) eat (smaller) vertebrates (and vegetation).

Growing vegetables is reducing river water volume - wildlife is suffering. Species are becoming extinct. Loss of water, loss of natural habitat.

 

[4elise]

Growing vegetables is reducing river water volume - wildlife is suffering. Species are becoming extinct. Loss of water, loss of natural habitat.

large areas of rain forest are cleared for grazing
more water pollution is created by animal agriculture than any other source
more feed is grown to feed animals raised for food

So… eliminate the animal agriculture and there will be lots of room to grow all the vege protein needed

Water: The livestock sector is a key player in increasing water use, accounting for over 8 percent of global human water use, mostly for the irrigation of feedcrops. It is probably the largest sectoral source of water pollution, contributing to eutrophication, “dead” zones in coastal areas, degradation of coral reefs, human health problems, emergence of antibiotic resistance and many others. The major sources of pollution are from animal wastes, antibiotics and hormones, chemicals from tanneries, fertilizers and pesticides used for feedcrops, and sediments from eroded pastures.

Land degradation: Expansion of livestock production is a key factor in deforestation, especially in Latin America where the greatest amount of deforestation is occurring – 70 percent of previous forested land in the Amazon is occupied by pastures, and feedcrops cover a large part of the remainder.

Blessings.

 

[Marfran]

That is the thinking. In Korea, they used to bring along a dog for a picnic and hang it over a fire, alive. Don’t know whether that is still done today. How are cows “relaxed” before slaughter?

Try getting that picture out of your mind.

3% of the food of some gorillas are termited and caterpillars, 25 of some others are grubs, ants, snails. The rest are fruits etc.Dont know where you got that.Marfran, would you know?

The closest biological relative to humans is the chimpanzee. We are all primates. We share something like 98% of the same DNA with the chimp. The chimpanzee eats a largely frugivorous diet. Something like 65% fruit, 35% leaves. The chimpanzee also may eat termites–they like to extract them from logs using a stick as a primitive “tool.” This only accounts for about 1% of their diet, however.

Jane Goodall was the first to report that chimpanzees that she studied also killed and ate Colubus monkeys. No one in the scientific community believed her at first (because this behavior had not been observed with other chimp groups). After subsequent research it was determined that Jane Goodall’s observations were correct. The killing of the Colubus monkeys, however, correlates with times of food shortage, and only accounts for about 1 or 2% of the chimps’ diet. And this behavior is only seen in some communities of chimps, not all. There are also other factors that make a community or group of chimps more likely to kill other mammals–including size of the group, ratios of males to females, and other sexual components.

The “meat eating” of chimps is a relatively small part of their diet, and for the most part is incorporated as a survival tool, and also has some social violence components/displays of aggression, and these observations can help us to understand our own behaviors and the path that our “meat eating” has taken.

It is interesting to contrast human “meat eating” and the industrialization of human meat eating to that of the chimpanzee. The zoo diet, for a chimpanzee, by the way, contains NO meat.

Vegetarianism would come in of course, if we are talking about cruelty to animals. What are you liberating animals from if not from cruelty?

Same question here for Kevin Wilcox. What is this group that you are involved with??? And what are you liberating???

 

[Marfran]

Wagyu beef - the cattle are massaged (& given beer to drink) and in Australia animal behaviourists are ‘whispering’ cattle so as they are relaxed before the kill ( for example special shaped pens, cattle killed as swiftly as possible and out of sight of others). Adrenalin released in stressed cattle (the flight or fight hormone) stresses muscle, and meat is tough and their skin is more valuable as leather if it is undamaged: Farmers have found financial / value adding benefits in reducing cattle stress.

Your examples are of a very small percentage of animals raised for meat. The vast majority of “meat” animals come from “factory farms”. Approximately 95 to 99% of animals are raised in industrialized factory CAFOs. And no one is massaging them. Pigs and birds have it even worse than the cows. Chickens are probably the most cruelly treated of all.

Growing vegetables is reducing river water volume - wildlife is suffering. Species are becoming extinct. Loss of water, loss of natural habitat.

Check out ***National Geographic ***EarthPulse: State of the Earth 2010 for recent stats (currently on new stands).

64% of the world’s water is used for agricultural purposes

The majority of agricultural products in the United States are not eaten as food directly, but instead given as feed to livestock.

Excessive livestock agriculture produces excessive “waste products” that contaminate water supplies.

 

[severus68]

Wagyu beef - the cattle are massaged (& given beer to drink) and in Australia animal behaviourists are ‘whispering’ cattle so as they are relaxed before the kill ( for example special shaped pens, cattle killed as swiftly as possible and out of sight of others). Adrenalin released in stressed cattle (the flight or fight hormone) stresses muscle, and meat is tough and their skin is more valuable as leather if it is undamaged: Farmers have found financial / value adding benefits in reducing cattle stress.

Gorillas (especially the Cross River Gorilla) eat (smaller) vertebrates (and vegetation).

Growing vegetables is reducing river water volume - wildlife is suffering. Species are becoming extinct. Loss of water, loss of natural habitat.

I really don’t want to see anyone suffer and die for my food, even animals who are “relaxed” before slaughter.

I dont think gorrillas eat vertebrates not even the Cross River Gorrillas. Gorilla are mainly herbivores.

More food for people if we grow food instead of raising animals for meat. How could growing crops cause more water shortage than grazing animals for good. With respect, that does not make sense.
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[Newbie2]

nope never did - can you imagine McD offering the mc cow with cheese - or mc pig rib sandwiches? Think it might ‘offend’ the kids?

Reminds me of the ad (I think it’s for Chick-fil-A) where the cows are going around with signs “Eat more Chikn”.

 

[distracted]

The diet of the Hunzas who live high up on the Himalayas is largely vegetarian. They live long and are very healthy. Don’t know how long that will last with “development” etc.

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the Hunzas are NOT vegetarian…

its kind of like that pregnant or not thing…

you either ARE vegetarian or you are not… The Hunzas are NOT… I studied this…

 

[distracted]

You are a good soul!!! .

and I and all meateaters are on their way to Hell…

 

[distracted]

I think we should post a poll…

Yes or No

Meat-eaters all go to Hell

 

[KEVIN_WILCOX]

Unfortunately we live in a messy world - ultimately in diet I can only be responsible for what goes in my mouth, and attempt to set a good example., teach and encourage. Free will. People react / respond. At least I know there is one more person who takes up the challenge for a more responsible world.

In the country where I live the pro-active Animal Liberation is widespread. In U.S.A. I suppose it’s equivalent to Animal Rights International or PETA

2 book which may interest some of us posting (and I’m really enjoying the statistics / humour. Thank you):
Save the animals! 101 easy things you can do, Singer, P., Dover, B. and Newkirk, I, Angus and Robertson, Australia, 1991. ISBN 0 207 17081 9
(Printed on 100% recycled paper.
Peter Singer and Barbara Dover are members of Animal Liberation Australia
Ingrid Newkirk is a member of US PETA (People for the ethical treatment of animals)*

After shock, confronting trauma in a violent world, a guide for activists and their allies*, Jones, P., Lantern Books, U.S.A., 2007. ISBN-13: 978-1-59056-103-4
ISBN-10: 1-59056-103-1

 

[Tamsulosin]

Some countries are starting an experiment . In Ghent, Belgium, the Deputy Mayor,
Tom Balthazar, has established Thursdays as meatless days.This veggie day is suppossed to create awareness of the effects of eating meat in the population’s health and the enviromental effects of raising animals for food.Even schools must obey this
request, although it is classified as voluntary.It is a start.I personally applaud his idea.

And by the way,going back to my earlier post about viruses in the meat of sick animals.
The World Health Organization cautioned against eating the meat of pigs infected with H1N1 swine flue, since it was found that viruses may survive the freezing process and be
present in the blood of the meat.
Not my opinion but that of the WHO.

 

[pnewton]

I think there is a misrepresentation of what constitutes cooperation with evil. Remote material cooperation with evil is permitted, even if that evil is a mortal sin (and this situation is not dealing with any mortal sin).

catholic.com/thisrock/2004/0411fea4.asp

These principles apply to eating meat or WalMart boycotts (something already brought up). I think trying to avoid any business that has ever committed any venial sin is difficult or impossible. Even trying to avoid some cooperation with abortion is darn near impossible somewhere down the line. For those who see a proportianate reason to eat meat, it becomes a moot issue.

We will always see the interconnectedness of man. Every sin damages us all to a certain extent. This is part of our fallen nature.

 

[4elise]

Some countries are starting an experiment . In Ghent, Belgium, the Deputy Mayor,
Tom Balthazar, has established Thursdays as meatless days.This veggie day is suppossed to create awareness of the effects of eating meat in the population’s health and the enviromental effects of raising animals for food.Even schools must obey this
request, although it is classified as voluntary.It is a start.I personally applaud his idea.

And by the way,going back to my earlier post about viruses in the meat of sick animals.
The World Health Organization cautioned against eating the meat of pigs infected with H1N1 swine flue, since it was found that viruses may survive the freezing process and be
present in the blood of the meat.
Not my opinion but that of the WHO.

I think the more we know… the more a move to a plant based diet just makes sense

 

[4elise]

I think there is a misrepresentation of what constitutes cooperation with evil. Remote material cooperation with evil is permitted, even if that evil is a mortal sin (and this situation is not dealing with any mortal sin).

catholic.com/thisrock/2004/0411fea4.asp

These principles apply to eating meat or WalMart boycotts (something already brought up). I think trying to avoid any business that has ever committed any venial sin is difficult or impossible. Even trying to avoid some cooperation with abortion is darn near impossible somewhere down the line. For those who see a proportianate reason to eat meat, it becomes a moot issue.

We will always see the interconnectedness of man. Every sin damages us all to a certain extent. This is part of our fallen nature.

Thank you for providing that link - it is a good article.
I am sure one can draw the conclusion that the weight of the moral issue of abortion must trump all others - and I would certainly agree.

The issue of purchasing meat that one knows comes from a factory farm, which contributes to pollution, damages communities, where animals are treated as commodities, I believe once I learned I was obliged to make changes -

Blessings,