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i don’t like PETA

while i’m an animal lover, i love cats and i have cats and i wouldn’t want anyone to hurt cats, i think PETA is a waste of money

they’re fighting for animal rights when most house pets in the US have better living standards than most human beings in third world countries. pets have wonderful instinct that if you kick them out of the house they’ll survive. most humans won’t without proper shelter and access to clean water and food. i think PETA is a prime example that most people have lost sense of the right priorities in life
There are many organisations supporting different things. Some help people, some help animals. Nothing wrong with both. I am sure you are doing a lot to help the starving children in 3rd world countries. I also hope you are not planning to kick your cats, out or anywhere.
 
Guilt Trip Tone? I am sure Choy knows it was a joke about his/her cats and there is no reason he/she should feel guilty.
 
it was a joke? 🤷 😃

in any case, i’m not going to lie and say i regularly donate to funds that help starving people and children. but on the occassion i do, i’d rather give that money to feed hungry people in third world countries than a group who spends their time criticizing Obama for swatting a fly on national TV :rolleyes:

i’m just saying, the money that goes to PETA can be better used to feed more people in Africa or India or other third world countries. each dollar that goes to feed a puppy in California could have gone to feed a child in Africa. a dollar goes a long, long way in third world countries
 
i’m just saying, the money that goes to PETA can be better used to feed more people in Africa or India or other third world countries. each dollar that goes to feed a puppy in California could have gone to feed a child in Africa. a dollar goes a long, long way in third world countries
And changing our Western diets would go a long way to help starving peoples. We feed the greater majority of the crops that we raise to “meat” animals, not people.Those crops could go ***directly ***to people instead. People in third world countries do not benefit from the luxury tastes of affluent nations, but actually could be helped if we would free up some of those crops and get them directly to people.
 
Just wanted to give you the link to Father John Dear’s website
fatherjohndear.org/

He wrote a phamphlet with Andrew Linzey on Christianity and Vegetarianism. Very very anti violence.
Wow! Looks like he’s written a lot of books. Have you read any yourself??? Any one in particular that you recommend??
 
PETA is savvy about drawing attention to topics that would otherwise not get substantive press coverage.

Is it a Catholic distinction that we are allowed to benefit from animals*** at all costs***???
I never said “not at all cost”. There are also limits placed on our use of animals. However when PETA says:
Animals are not ours to eat.
Animals are not our to wear.
I say (along with the Church):
It is legitimate to use animals for food and clothing (CCC #2417)
Yes, I know this is not a carte blanche right, but rather it is PETA that takes the carte blanche stance. The Church balances the legitimacy of using animals and animal products with prohibitions against cruelty.
 
And changing our Western diets would go a long way to help starving peoples. We feed the greater majority of the crops that we raise to “meat” animals, not people.Those crops could go ***directly ***to people instead. People in third world countries do not benefit from the luxury tastes of affluent nations, but actually could be helped if we would free up some of those crops and get them directly to people.
i am not familiar with the actual food prices of western grown crops, but given the little facts i know that anything produced in fully industrialized nations tend to be more expensive than the ones produced in third world countries. so i don’t know if African countries can afford to buy US produced grains as opposed to those grown locally or in other similar third world countries. one factor of course is the cost of labor, where in most third world countries labor would cost $50 a month or less

but of course if you’re suggesting that the west would donate these grains or sell them for a loss, its a wholenother topic.
 
it was a joke? 🤷 😃

in any case, i’m not going to lie and say i regularly donate to funds that help starving people and children. but on the occassion i do, i’d rather give that money to feed hungry people in third world countries than a group who spends their time criticizing Obama for swatting a fly on national TV :rolleyes:

i’m just saying, the money that goes to PETA can be better used to feed more people in Africa or India or other third world countries. each dollar that goes to feed a puppy in California could have gone to feed a child in Africa. a dollar goes a long, long way in third world countries
Thanks for your clarification. We all try to do the best we can according to our own consciences.

You are not anti Obama? That seems unusual on this forum after I have read the posts on a particular thread.
 
Wow! Looks like he’s written a lot of books. Have you read any yourself??? Any one in particular that you recommend??
Have to confess that I never heard of him before coming across an article of his. He has been jailed for his anti war position. He was nominated for the nobel prize in 2008. And a vegetarian to boot. A person to admire who inspires. Need to check on his books, I think I saw one on Amazon.
 
Thanks for your clarification. We all try to do the best we can according to our own consciences.

You are not anti Obama? That seems unusual on this forum after I have read the posts on a particular thread.
well, i’m a Filipino living in Canada, so i don’t really care much about Obama 😃
 
i am not familiar with the actual food prices of western grown crops, but given the little facts i know that anything produced in fully industrialized nations tend to be more expensive than the ones produced in third world countries. so i don’t know if African countries can afford to buy US produced grains as opposed to those grown locally or in other similar third world countries. one factor of course is the cost of labor, where in most third world countries labor would cost $50 a month or less

but of course if you’re suggesting that the west would donate these grains or sell them for a loss, its a wholenother topic.
You now live in Canada so you should have some idea of costs. That said, do you reall y think its cheaper to raise animals for food? It is then necessary to grow grain etc to feed those animals. So it must be cheaper to grow grain. The idea is for all to grow trees, plants for food. The cost would be in line with the cost of living of the place you live.

I have heard of grain being dumped when the price goes very low. No one wants to sip to places where people are starving. One way to avoid waste and feed the country is for charities to ship such grain. Is this ever done in the US? (to All)
 
You now live in Canada so you should have some idea of costs. That said, do you reall y think its cheaper to raise animals for food? It is then necessary to grow grain etc to feed those animals. So it must be cheaper to grow grain. The idea is for all to grow trees, plants for food. The cost would be in line with the cost of living of the place you live.

I have heard of grain being dumped when the price goes very low. No one wants to sip to places where people are starving. One way to avoid waste and feed the country is for charities to ship such grain. Is this ever done in the US? (to All)
what i meant was wholesale prices

if i’m basing it on what i buy from the grocery store, then yeah. there is no way someone from a third world country can go in a Canadian or US grocery store and buy a week’s worth of groceries from their monthly salary. the price of the rice i buy here for a small 8kg sack is equivalent to a 25kg sack back home in the Philippines. or maybe less, i’m not updated with the prices but i know its not even close

but i do know that labor costs are much-much higher here. cost of land is higher too but of course its an offshoot of people’s ability to pay.
 
Aren’t you being rather harsh? I don’t think they really care whether the animal is dead before they start the process. I know about cats and dogs but if more than half dead, don’t think they can put up much of a fight.

I agree that whoever does the skinning probably doesn’t care about what the animal feels, but for their own safety, routinely “skinning animals alive” doesn’t make sense. More of an urban legend, methinks, than fact.

Agreed, the morality is not in which animal we eat. However people are more emotional about animals they keep as pets. That’s a fact.
That’s true about the emotions.
OK–now that’s just bad meat.
I was wondering who would get it. 😃
 
You now live in Canada so you should have some idea of costs. That said, do you reall y think its cheaper to raise animals for food? It is then necessary to grow grain etc to feed those animals. So it must be cheaper to grow grain. The idea is for all to grow trees, plants for food. The cost would be in line with the cost of living of the place you live.

I have heard of grain being dumped when the price goes very low. No one wants to sip to places where people are starving. One way to avoid waste and feed the country is for charities to ship such grain. Is this ever done in the US? (to All)
USAID - ships tons of grain to countries in need. usaid.gov/

In the US however giant agribusiness are largely subsidised - perhaps another thread topic: circleoffood.com/blog/2009/04/05/do-it-close-the-millionaire-corporate-farm-subsidy-loophole/ This is about family farmers vs. corporate agri-business; David vs. Goliath agriculture.
 
USAID - ships tons of grain to countries in need. usaid.gov/

In the US however giant agribusiness are largely subsidised - perhaps another thread topic: circleoffood.com/blog/2009/04/05/do-it-close-the-millionaire-corporate-farm-subsidy-loophole/ This is about family farmers vs. corporate agri-business; David vs. Goliath agriculture.
I like that term, David vs. Goliath agriculture. We consumers have to pay attention to what Goliath is doing, and what we are paying for. We are paying for a lot of bad stuff–including industrialized cruelty, health risks to humans, unhealthy high calorie/low nutrition food, misappropriated resources, soil and water pollution, etc., etc…
 
I like that term, David vs. Goliath agriculture. We consumers have to pay attention to what Goliath is doing, and what we are paying for. We are paying for a lot of bad stuff–including industrialized cruelty, health risks to humans, unhealthy high calorie/low nutrition food, misappropriated resources, soil and water pollution, etc., etc…
I’ve eaten horse in France without knowing it (until afterwards). ‘Misappropriated resources’ - there’s a trade in old, infirm horses turning up as food on a plate, utilitarian ethics suggest doing the same with dog. They’ve been raised and well-fed, should we now throw the product away (i.e. bury / incinerate it), it seems a waste of resources, or put it to life-giving use? Emotionally challenging, most people wouldn’t realize what they were eating (other than it being meat); and it would eliminate some of the problems caused by raising livestock such as cattle and sheep. Covers two functions - companion/pet and food. The more I think about it, the more responsible it seems. Some takeaway places I’ve eaten at, there’s no way all those shaped objects come from a chicken (they’re just the wrong shape). Who knows what goes into hamburger (it aint ham)?
 
Who knows what goes into hamburger (it aint ham)?
Actually, it’s ground up dairy cows (whose productivity had slumped), along with–in the case of the McDonald’s Corporation, some corn filler laced with ammonia (to kill E.coli). I highly recommend seeing the documentary film FOOD, INC., if you are interested in what the big conglomerates are doing to your food. Don’t worry, the film does not tout veganism or vegetarianism. Doesn’t even use the** v **word. But the thought might cross your mind, when a mother who lost her young son to a hamburger, stomps on Washington in an effort to get the government to start paying attention to what our large corporations are doing in the name of “food.”

SEE the trailer 4 the documentary film FOOD, INC. here: bit.ly/FOODINK
 
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