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Thank you. This is very informational.

When I say I want to be as close to Francis as possible, I am not counting poverty. Obviously, it is impossible to be as poor as he was, because he didn’t have electricity and all of those nice things. I do want to live a life of poverty, but not absolute poverty. This is why the Missionaries of Charity do not appeal to me whatsoever. I do like to have some things, and I’m going to have to visit a few Communities to see if living a life of poverty is what I am called to. If not, I may be called to a more wealthy Community, or to the Diocesan Priesthood, and maybe even the FSSP, who are allowed to have cell phones and things like that. What I do know is a life of complete or extreme poverty does not appeal to me, and I’m going to have to think about that.
I’m not sure what you consider extreme poverty, but by American standards, Franciscans live spartan lives. It may not be what you’re looking for. You’ll have a room, bed, table, chair, shelfs for a few books, not too many, two habits and a set of work clothes and a few t-shirts, maybe one black suit and Roman collar.

You will not have your own car, tv, cell, computer, sound system, iPod, or bank account. You don’t get to pick your furniture when you move into a house. You get what’s there. When you move, you can’t take any of it. Some houses may have a couch or two and others have wooden chairs. You may have a little bit of ground to walk around or you may live in the slums where you see nothing but concrete. In some houses you may get a bed and in others you get a shelf.

I live in a house that’s considered fancy. It’s a townhouse. We have three bedrooms, an eat-in kitchen, a common room and a small chapel that sits six people. All of our furniture comes from garage sales and Goodwill. None of it matches. I get a cell phone and a laptop , because it comes with my assignment. When I no longer have this assignment, I have to give the laptop and cell back to the diocese . . . goodbye CAF. Two houses share a 13-year old car. Much of the time I walk or take the bus.

By Indian standards, this is luxury. Compared to how I grew up, this is spartan.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I provided this breakdown of the Dominican Family in another thread, but it seems relevant here as well.
The four main branches:
A. Dominican Friars (priests and brothers on the way to priestly ordination; or cooperator brothers who are not called to Holy Orders)
B. Dominican Contemplative Nuns
C. Dominican Apostolic Sisters
D. Lay Fraternities of Saint Dominic
All four branches of the family fall under the Master of the Order, who is the legitimate successor to Saint Dominic.
I should point out that there are also groups who are associated with the Order of Preachers but are not an official part of the family. Examples of these are:
Now to the OP. The Dominican charism centers around study. Dominican friars are men who’s goal is to be useful to others. To borrow phrase from one of them “our study of theology, scripture, philosophy, etc. are the tools we use to preach Christ crucified”. I don’t mean to be blunt, but if you are not called to the academic side of things, then you are not called to be a Dominican friar. Of course on the other hand, if you are called to be a Dominican friar, then God will make sure you have the tools to succeed academically. The life of study is inseparable from being a Dominican.

Peace,
 
I get a cell phone and a laptop , because it comes with my assignment. When I no longer have this assignment, I have to give the laptop and cell back to the diocese . . . goodbye CAF.
Brother JR,

I think this would echo the sentiments of many on here… I hope your next assignment also requires a laptop or (smart) cell phone, to allow you to continue to share your spiritual insights on CAF. I don’t post too often, but I do read a lot of what you have to say, and always find it very enlightening. Your wisdom would be sorely missed by many.

Eric
 
Here is where it gets funny in the USA.

Dominican colleges and universities: 18

Franciscan colleges and universities: 22

Carmelite colleges and universities: 0

As we can see, the Dominicans still have a stronger presence in colleges and universities in the USA. Observe that the Dominicans have 18 schools, but there are only about 15,000 Dominican friars around the world, give or take a few hundred.

The Franciscans have 22 schools in the USA, but combined, there are approximately 100,000 Franciscan friars around the world. Imagine if the Dominicans had 100,000.

It’s also important to note that many of the Dominican and Franciscan schools are not run by the friars, but by sisters. If we throw the sisters into the mix, the Franciscan total 1.2 million. Twenty-two colleges is nothing.

The Dominican presence in higher education wins hands down in terms of proportions. That should not be interpreted that the other mendicants are not scholarly or shun scholarship.
I heard a very similar thing from a Dominican friar not too long ago. He stated that for whatever reason, the Dominican presence in higher education is not as strong in America as it is in Europe. He praised the Franciscans and the Jesuits both for their strong role in American higher ed.

As for the rest, I could not agree more. It is dangerous to assume too much regarding someone’s abilities, or lack thereof, based on which order or congregation they belong to. I think the difference is in the reason and the focus. For example, in Early Dominicans - Selected Writings, the case is made that there really is not a distinct Dominican Spirituality. Rather, the life of study, prayer, and contemplation leads one on their own spiritual path. The former Master of the Order, Timothy Radcliffe has been quoted as saying that Dominican Spirituality can be summed up in the word “Joy”.

Because of that, I sort of believe that one could go to a Jesuit or Franciscan university and likely get a very Dominican experience.
 
Brother JR,

I think this would echo the sentiments of many on here… I hope your next assignment also requires a laptop or (smart) cell phone, to allow you to continue to share your spiritual insights on CAF. I don’t post too often, but I do read a lot of what you have to say, and always find it very enlightening. Your wisdom would be sorely missed by many.

Eric
LOL Thank you for that. It’s all in the hands of Providence, my superior and the local bishop. I only get a voice, if they say that I may express my preference.

I’ll know in a few weeks. My time here is up on the Feast of Pentecost. It can be renewed or I can be asked to go someplace else. 🤷

I’m not much good around here anyway. I have Leukemia and congestive heart disease. I can’t do as much as I did before I got sick. We’ll see. As the picture of Divine Mercy says, “Jesus, I trust in you.”

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I’m not much good around here anyway. I have Leukemia and congestive heart disease. I can’t do as much as I did before I got sick.
I can’t speak for your life outside of CAF, but you are very good around here. I hope that it works out that you continue to have access. If not, be assured of my prayers for yourself, and for all Franciscans.

Peace,
 
I know there are times that we do not see eye to here but know that I wish you no ill will and that you are in my prayers.

Please pray for me.
I know we sometimes don’t see eye-to-eye, but we were not given this life so that we might agree, but so that we might help each other become the best version of ourselves and get into Heaven. Everything you have done for me was to help me, and you have wonderful advice. Thank you very much, Brother David. I hope one day we can become great friends and I may leave your ignore list.

I will most certainly pray for you. Please, pray for me. Pray that I get some self-confidence and that I get my GED specifically, if you would.
 
I’m not sure what you consider extreme poverty, but by American standards, Franciscans live spartan lives. It may not be what you’re looking for. You’ll have a room, bed, table, chair, shelfs for a few books, not too many, two habits and a set of work clothes and a few t-shirts, maybe one black suit and Roman collar.

You will not have your own car, tv, cell, computer, sound system, iPod, or bank account. You don’t get to pick your furniture when you move into a house. You get what’s there. When you move, you can’t take any of it. Some houses may have a couch or two and others have wooden chairs. You may have a little bit of ground to walk around or you may live in the slums where you see nothing but concrete. In some houses you may get a bed and in others you get a shelf.

I live in a house that’s considered fancy. It’s a townhouse. We have three bedrooms, an eat-in kitchen, a common room and a small chapel that sits six people. All of our furniture comes from garage sales and Goodwill. None of it matches. I get a cell phone and a laptop , because it comes with my assignment. When I no longer have this assignment, I have to give the laptop and cell back to the diocese . . . goodbye CAF. Two houses share a 13-year old car. Much of the time I walk or take the bus.

By Indian standards, this is luxury. Compared to how I grew up, this is spartan.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
I know that even the most “luxurious” Communities are like living in the slums of the earth to most people. I am not saying if I join the FSSP I’ll be able to spend hours on TV and such. However, they do have more luxuries than the Franciscan Brothers Minor do. The Franciscan Brothers Minor don’t use computers, and I’m pretty sure they don’t use television either. I limited myself to only one hour of each a day for Lent, and it’s hard enough. Doing that full-time will be tough, and I’ll surely miss everything technology gives me. But if God calls me to live as a Spartan, it’s unwise to instead live as a King. I’m almost certain there are consequences to that.
 
I heard a very similar thing from a Dominican friar not too long ago. He stated that for whatever reason, the Dominican presence in higher education is not as strong in America as it is in Europe. He praised the Franciscans and the Jesuits both for their strong role in American higher ed.

As for the rest, I could not agree more. It is dangerous to assume too much regarding someone’s abilities, or lack thereof, based on which order or congregation they belong to. I think the difference is in the reason and the focus. For example, in Early Dominicans - Selected Writings, the case is made that there really is not a distinct Dominican Spirituality. Rather, the life of study, prayer, and contemplation leads one on their own spiritual path. The former Master of the Order, Timothy Radcliffe has been quoted as saying that Dominican Spirituality can be summed up in the word “Joy”.

Because of that, I sort of believe that one could go to a Jesuit or Franciscan university and likely get a very Dominican experience.
I’m going to disagree with my Dominican brother on this one. Let’s do math.

The Franciscan men alone are about 100, 000 around the world. I’m combining all the branches here. We have 22 colleges in the USA.

The Dominican Friars are about 15,000 around the world. They have 18 colleges in the USA.

In other words, the ratio of colleges to the size of the family is in favor of the Dominicans.

In stats, as we know, ratios are more telling than totals…

The thing that gives the Franciscans and Jesuits the advantage in the USA is that there are more of them in the States than there are Dominicans. The Dominicans are bigger in Europe than the USA. Franciscans and Jesuits are like flies, you find us on every continent. 😃

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
The thing that gives the Franciscans and Jesuits the advantage in the USA is that there are more of them in the States than there are Dominicans. The Dominicans are bigger in Europe than the USA. Franciscans and Jesuits are like flies, you find us on every continent.
I guess it is better to be like flies, then to draw them. 😃

Thankfully, it appears that the Order is doing well in terms of vocations right now. I pray that continues and even increases. I know that there are new houses of study being built as we speak, which speaks well for the numbers we are seeing. Furthermore, the student Brothers seem to be extremely active in a variety of preaching ministries, particularly electronic media, online, etc. which speaks well for the future and the new evangelization which has been called for. They are already a blessing to the Church and will be for many years to come.

I know nothing regarding official goals of the order in terms of the number of friars, etc. but I obviously feel we could do with many more. 🙂 One wonderful sign is the large number of vocations we are seeing to our Dominican Sisters. I know of no data to support this but I would imagine that a young man growing up being educated by Dominican Sisters who feels a call to the priesthood, might be more likely to consider the Order as a result.

Peace,
 
I guess it is better to be like flies, then to draw them. 😃

Thankfully, it appears that the Order is doing well in terms of vocations right now. I pray that continues and even increases. I know that there are new houses of study being built as we speak, which speaks well for the numbers we are seeing. Furthermore, the student Brothers seem to be extremely active in a variety of preaching ministries, particularly electronic media, online, etc. which speaks well for the future and the new evangelization which has been called for. They are already a blessing to the Church and will be for many years to come.

I know nothing regarding official goals of the order in terms of the number of friars, etc. but I obviously feel we could do with many more. 🙂 One wonderful sign is the large number of vocations we are seeing to our Dominican Sisters. I know of no data to support this but I would imagine that a young man growing up being educated by Dominican Sisters who feels a call to the priesthood, might be more likely to consider the Order as a result.

Peace,
The Dominicans, Franciscans, Jesuits and Salesians have not suffered as much as other communities during this vocation crisis. There are less men entering today than there were between WW I and 1980, however, the number of men entering today is normal. These were the numbers entering before WW I.

The number of men that entered between 1915 and 1980 was a vocation explosion. However, that was also the generation that gave us the sexual abusers and great dissenters, not to mention more dispensations in one century than the last 500 years combined…

There is something to be said about the danger of going for numbers. It certainly makes formation and observation more difficult. I know, because I was in formation with 54 men. Some things went under the radar, not sexual abuse, but personalities that were not fit for religious life and men being ordained only to ask for dispensations five years later. It was automatically assumed that every male who enters a religious community is called to be a priest, just because the bishops were pushing the religious superiors to ordain ordain ordain. Many of these men would have made wonderful religious, but were unhappy priests. I know one Franciscan who told his superiors, “Take me out of priestly ministry or I will leave. .” He was assigned to be a high school teacher and later to be the housekeeper at the friary and he’s the happiest man in town. These men were tracked. It raises the question whether the Lord did the choosing or the superiors did.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I’m not sure what you consider extreme poverty, but by American standards, Franciscans live spartan lives. It may not be what you’re looking for. You’ll have a room, bed, table, chair, shelfs for a few books, not too many, two habits and a set of work clothes and a few t-shirts, maybe one black suit and Roman collar.

You will not have your own car, tv, cell, computer, sound system, iPod, or bank account. You don’t get to pick your furniture when you move into a house. You get what’s there. When you move, you can’t take any of it. Some houses may have a couch or two and others have wooden chairs. You may have a little bit of ground to walk around or you may live in the slums where you see nothing but concrete. In some houses you may get a bed and in others you get a shelf.

I live in a house that’s considered fancy. It’s a townhouse. We have three bedrooms, an eat-in kitchen, a common room and a small chapel that sits six people. All of our furniture comes from garage sales and Goodwill. None of it matches. I get a cell phone and a laptop , because it comes with my assignment. When I no longer have this assignment, I have to give the laptop and cell back to the diocese . . . goodbye CAF. Two houses share a 13-year old car. Much of the time I walk or take the bus.

By Indian standards, this is luxury. Compared to how I grew up, this is spartan.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
I guess it must vary quite a bit depending on the group. I’ve visted a group of Franciscans and another of Benedictines, and while in each case their lifestyles were certainly different from mine, they weren’t hurting for anything. Each of them had the best-stocked liquor cabinets I’ve ever seen, lol.

I just finished the biography of St. Francis by Omar Englebert, so I guess I have St. Francis’ “ideal” in mind when I think of poverty. While I can’t help but admire that, it’s hard for me to imagine many being able to live up to it. I’m not sure Jesus himself reveled in poverty like St. Francis!
 
I guess it must vary quite a bit depending on the group. I’ve visted a group of Franciscans and another of Benedictines, and while in each case their lifestyles were certainly different from mine, they weren’t hurting for anything. Each of them had the best-stocked liquor cabinets I’ve ever seen, lol.
You have to remember two things here.

First: The Benedictines do not make a vow of poverty. They vow obedience and stability. They can own a lot of things. They have always been rich landlords. It was to the benefit of the people around them, because they were fair landlords.

Second: The Franciscans lost their way when clericalization came in. The moment that they created a two tier community where the ordained had all of the rights of diocesan priests and the non ordained could not even sit at the same table as their brothers or pray in the same chapel, the rest was easy to lose.

Thank God, we’re in the process of renewal. The rule of life has been restored. The first thing that had to be restore, more important than poverty, was justice. Every friar had to get his rights back. There could no longer be the Franciscan Fathers, as they promoted themselves. The General Chapters of the last 30 years have prohibited this. They are to be the friars or the brothers.

The next step is cleaning house. We have to tone down the number of men that we ordain. We almost have a surplus of priests. The order was not meant to be an order of priests as were the Dominicans. When you have that many priests, there is a temptation to want to be like other priests, forgetting that you’re a brother first. It is important for the order to have more non-ordained who live the life of St. Francis without the complications of the ordained ministry. This will not exclude priests. Simply increasing the number of the non-ordained, increases the strength and visibility of the Franciscan charism among the friars themselves. Because the non-ordained live the charism, without the confusion between priest and religious.

Part of cleaning house involves opening more houses that look like friaries and less like rectories. This is happening rather quickly too. The number of friars assigned to rectories is dwindling. They’re deliberately not being replaced.

Finally, there is formation. Our formation programs have to return to the pre-Vatican I days when the focus was on the religious life, not on the priesthood and not on the apostolate. There was a strong focus on following Francis to Christ. This too is happening.

If you look around the OFMs, OFM Caps, and OFM Conv’s are gradually splitting up to form new reformation communities such as:

Franciscans Friars of the Renewal:
  • Came from the Capuchins
  • Include priests
Franciscan Friars of the Eternal Word
  • came from the Capuchins
  • Include priests in small numbers
  • may not work in parishes
Franciscan Friars of Peace
  • Came from the TOR
  • Do not admit priests
Franciscan Friars of Life (my community)
  • Came for a union of Capuchins and OFS
  • Only admit priests to serve the community, not the laity
Franciscan Friars of the Eucharist
  • Came from the Capuchin tradition
  • Do not admit priests
Franciscan Friars of the Holy Family
  • Came from the OFMs
  • Admit priests as long as they do not serve the middle class or parishes.
Franciscans of the Primitive Observance
  • Came from the Franciscans of the Renewal
  • Admit priests
  • Priests may not serve the laity
Franciscan Brothers Minor
  • Came from the Capuchins
  • Admit priests
  • May not work in parishes
Franciscans of the Immaculate
  • Came from the Conventual Franciscans
  • Admit priests
  • May not run parishes
All of these were born between 1980 and today. There are sisters too.

I just finished the biography of St. Francis by Omar Englebert, so I guess I have St. Francis’ “ideal” in mind when I think of poverty. While I can’t help but admire that, it’s hard for me to imagine many being able to live up to it. I’m not sure Jesus himself reveled in poverty like St. Francis!

Things are going to be changed.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
There is something to be said about the danger of going for numbers. It certainly makes formation and observation more difficult. I know, because I was in formation with 54 men. Some things went under the radar, not sexual abuse, but personalities that were not fit for religious life and men being ordained only to ask for dispensations five years later.
This is an excellent point. Hopefully with the building of new Houses of Study, formation and observation is handled properly despite an uptick in vocations.
 
This is an excellent point. Hopefully with the building of new Houses of Study, formation and observation is handled properly despite an uptick in vocations.
I for one hope that we never go back to those crazy numbers that we had during the 20th century. It’s unmanageable. Communities turn into institutions and fraternal life becomes dorm life. You can live with people for five years and never get to know anything about them. Living in community is supposed to be fraternal. There is nothing familial about more than 10 people in a house. I currently live with two and it’s an incredible difference. We actually know everything about each other.

We can tell just by the look on each other’s face when someone is having a good day and when you should just keep your distance and give him his space. You know when he’s thinking about his mother who is sick, whom he can’t go visit, because it’s too far and you know all of his brothers and sisters by name. That’s community life as St. Francis envisioned it, not white elephants that cost millions of dollars to build and then more millions over the years to maintain.

The Dominican Friars had the same problem. Fraternity was key to Dominic’s way of seeing religious life. Had it not been, he could have founded an order of canons. They’re priests and they preach. But he founded an order of friars, because these priests were to live as brothers, not as an army or worse, as if they were Trappist Monks, with 100 men living in a house where they saw each other at prayer and meals, but did not speak to each other during the day, because you can’t possibly have a significant conversation with 100 people during a one hour community recreation period, which is all that you get per day in those large houses.

The greater the number, the more structured you have to be. Friaries and priories become barracks with schedules for everything from brushing your teeth to playing checkers. When you have three people in a house, you can decide that tomorrow we can get a later start, because no one has to be anywhere at 7:00. So we can get up at 7:00 and say morning prayer at 7:30. Then the next day, you get up at 4:45, because your brother has to be out the door by 6:00 to catch a bus to go to a 7:00 class at the university. Even though you don’t have to go to a 7:00 class, you get up for the sake of your brother, so that you can pray with him before he goes to take that exam or whatever he’s going to do at the university.

Silence is never an issue. There aren’t enough of you in the house to make a lot of noise. You can speak to each other without disturbing the one who is praying, studying or resting.

As you move from house to house, over the course of your lifetime, you know most of the brothers in your province. I love when our houses come together for the annual retreat. All of our apostolates come to a dead stop for one week. Parishes close down, pregnancy centers are run by volunteers, classes at the university are canceled, hospital chaplains come home and hand over the coverage to the nearest parish. Everyone is there for an entire week, praying, sharing, walking, discerning and most important, being present to each other. We could not do that in the days when provinces had 800 friars.

With the smaller communities breaking away from the larger order, we’re still part of the Franciscan family, but we’re also closer to each other. The perfection of charity is achieved in the day to day life of community. Patience, tenderness, kindness, empathy, sympathy, fraternal correction, emotional support, and a helping hand are the little things that make for the perfection of charity. It’s not something that you accomplish over night. It’s a lifetime journey that you take along with a few brothers.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
With the smaller communities breaking away from the larger order, we’re still part of the Franciscan family, but we’re also closer to each other. The perfection of charity is achieved in the day to day life of community. Patience, tenderness, kindness, empathy, sympathy, fraternal correction, emotional support, and a helping hand are the little things that make for the perfection of charity. It’s not something that you accomplish over night. It’s a lifetime journey that you take along with a few brothers.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
Br,

This is a beautiful description of community life with small numbers.

The only downside I can see, with a number as small as three, what happens when one of you is moved someplace else or as one ages and gets sick and has to go to a nursing home for example? Is there more of a chance of that house closing down and brothers having to move and start over in another house?
 
Br,

This is a beautiful description of community life with small numbers.

The only downside I can see, with a number as small as three, what happens when one of you is moved someplace else or as one ages and gets sick and has to go to a nursing home for example? Is there more of a chance of that house closing down and brothers having to move and start over in another house?
Two points:

When transfers occur, the entire chessboard moves. One person leaves and another comes in, unless the intent it to close the house.

Second, it is against the rules of Franciscans to put any friar or nun in a nursing home. We keep out people with us until they die. The only time that someone may have to go to an institution is if he or she needs technology that cannot be provided at home. In such a case, a friar is assigned to be with him 24/7. He is always in community.

This happened to Fr. Benedict G. They thought he was going to die. He was in the hospital for months in a sort of coma. A friar was assigned to the hospital room 24/7. For months, while they waited for him to die, he was never outside of the fraternity.

Franciscans do not allow this to happen. It’s against the Rule. I know that other communities have a similar rule, especially the monastic communities.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I for one hope that we never go back to those crazy numbers that we had during the 20th century. It’s unmanageable. Communities turn into institutions and fraternal life becomes dorm life. You can live with people for five years and never get to know anything about them. Living in community is supposed to be fraternal. There is nothing familial about more than 10 people in a house. I currently live with two and it’s an incredible difference. We actually know everything about each other.

We can tell just by the look on each other’s face when someone is having a good day and when you should just keep your distance and give him his space. You know when he’s thinking about his mother who is sick, whom he can’t go visit, because it’s too far and you know all of his brothers and sisters by name. That’s community life as St. Francis envisioned it, not white elephants that cost millions of dollars to build and then more millions over the years to maintain.

The Dominican Friars had the same problem. Fraternity was key to Dominic’s way of seeing religious life. Had it not been, he could have founded an order of canons. They’re priests and they preach. But he founded an order of friars, because these priests were to live as brothers, not as an army or worse, as if they were Trappist Monks, with 100 men living in a house where they saw each other at prayer and meals, but did not speak to each other during the day, because you can’t possibly have a significant conversation with 100 people during a one hour community recreation period, which is all that you get per day in those large houses.

The greater the number, the more structured you have to be. Friaries and priories become barracks with schedules for everything from brushing your teeth to playing checkers. When you have three people in a house, you can decide that tomorrow we can get a later start, because no one has to be anywhere at 7:00. So we can get up at 7:00 and say morning prayer at 7:30. Then the next day, you get up at 4:45, because your brother has to be out the door by 6:00 to catch a bus to go to a 7:00 class at the university. Even though you don’t have to go to a 7:00 class, you get up for the sake of your brother, so that you can pray with him before he goes to take that exam or whatever he’s going to do at the university.

Silence is never an issue. There aren’t enough of you in the house to make a lot of noise. You can speak to each other without disturbing the one who is praying, studying or resting.

As you move from house to house, over the course of your lifetime, you know most of the brothers in your province. I love when our houses come together for the annual retreat. All of our apostolates come to a dead stop for one week. Parishes close down, pregnancy centers are run by volunteers, classes at the university are canceled, hospital chaplains come home and hand over the coverage to the nearest parish. Everyone is there for an entire week, praying, sharing, walking, discerning and most important, being present to each other. We could not do that in the days when provinces had 800 friars.

With the smaller communities breaking away from the larger order, we’re still part of the Franciscan family, but we’re also closer to each other. The perfection of charity is achieved in the day to day life of community. Patience, tenderness, kindness, empathy, sympathy, fraternal correction, emotional support, and a helping hand are the little things that make for the perfection of charity. It’s not something that you accomplish over night. It’s a lifetime journey that you take along with a few brothers.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
Interesting points. What little I have seen suggests that Dominican priories tend to be relatively small. Particularly in their parish ministries.
 
Interesting points. What little I have seen suggests that Dominican priories tend to be relatively small. Particularly in their parish ministries.
Small is good. 👍

The Europeans loved big houses. When they came to the USA they built these huge religious houses that are not practical.

The house where St. Maximilian Kolbe was superior had 800 friars. :eek: THAT’S NOT A HOUSE!!! That’s a province or even an entire order. They actually lived in three buildings.

The friary where Padre Pio was stationed has 250+ friars, another province.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
But the friaries are fairly well spread all over Italia, no?

ie, not their fault if there’s a ton of vocations over there 😃

or am I missing something, fratello? :o:o:o
 
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