Dominican Rite?

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What do we know about the Domincan Rite?

Is it allowed? I thought it was ‘sede vacante’, but I heard something about it today. Where my cousin’s friend is entering the seminary under the Dominican Rite.
 
Properly, it’s the “Dominican Use”. It’s a local variant of the Roman Rite, as used by the OP, from their house at Santa Sabina in Rome.

Books of it, including its breviary, pop up on e-bay from time to time.

It’s legitimate.
 
I don’t believe the majority of Dominicans use this Mass. The Dominicans decided to use the Mass of Paul VI when it was promulgated in the 1970’s. I’m sure the Dominican rite continues to be used by some Dominicans, but it isn’t very widespread.
 
Last I heard it required special permission to be celebrated, and that it still existed because some priests do in fact ask and gain this permission. 🙂
 
The Dominican usage was never totally abandoned. There’s a rescript (from 1969, I think) which basically leaves the matter in the hands of the Prior Provincial. In the US, it is regularly offered, in its ancient and traditional form, by some friars of the Western Province.
 
malphono said:
The Dominican usage was never totally abandoned. There’s a rescript (from 1969, I think) which basically leaves the matter in the hands of the Prior Provincial. In the US, it is regularly offered, in its ancient and traditional form, by some friars of the Western Province.
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Ah that’s good. I hear it’s quite something to see. 🙂 I would love to see it someday.

Hopefully some enterprising Dominican will do an instructional DVD of it eventually. 🙂
 
Dempsey1919 said:
I don’t believe the majority of Dominicans use this Mass. The Dominicans decided to use the Mass of Paul VI when it was promulgated in the 1970’s. I’m sure the Dominican rite continues to be used by some Dominicans, but it isn’t very widespread.
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Unfortunately, because of the widespread adoption of the OF among the order at the time of its promulgation (the Dominicans kept a few peculiar customs and carried them over the OF though, I believe), many in the present generation of Dominicans don’t seem to even know that there is a “Dominican Rite”. 😦
 
I read quite a bit online last night about the western province Domincans. It’s interesting all of the prayers and blessings that are reserved for Dominican priests. They still have their own Rosary exorcism/blessing thing – for example. They aren’t required to wear a stole for confession. Interesting.

On a side note, I did get the sense on the western province website that the older generation is kind of touchy feely happy clappy. I noticed some of the strange papers and disertations they talk about and read. Also, noticed some of the movements they get into. I’m sure how I feel about some of that garbage, but their requirement to know Spanish is awesome–awesome.

All this got me thinking about the Mozarabics. Are they only in Toledo, Spain. I know there is Mozarabic Western Orthodox in the US… In NY City I believe. What the deal with the Mozarabic Catholics… Are there any in the USA?
 
Jimzz12 said:
I read quite a bit online last night about the western province Domincans. It’s interesting all of the prayers and blessings that are reserved for Dominican priests. They still have their own Rosary exorcism/blessing thing – for example. They aren’t required to wear a stole for confession. Interesting.

On a side note, I did get the sense on the western province website that the older generation is kind of touchy feely happy clappy. I noticed some of the strange papers and disertations they talk about and read. Also, noticed some of the movements they get into. I’m sure how I feel about some of that garbage, but their requirement to know Spanish is awesome–awesome.

All this got me thinking about the Mozarabics. Are they only in Toledo, Spain. I know there is Mozarabic Western Orthodox in the US… In NY City I believe. What the deal with the Mozarabic Catholics… Are there any in the USA?
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Where/What did you read this all in? I am curious.
 
Jimzz12 said:
All this got me thinking about the Mozarabics. Are they only in Toledo, Spain. I know there is Mozarabic Western Orthodox in the US… In NY City I believe. What the deal with the Mozarabic Catholics… Are there any in the USA?
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No. As is the case with the traditional Bragan and Ambrosian. usages, the Mozarabic usage is territorial. This has come up in a few previous threads, and I think it’s no longer limited exclusively to Toledo: as I understand things, in the past year or two, the Abbey of Santo Domingo de Silos (of CHANT! fame) was granted indult to restore the ancient Mozarabic usage. I don’t know, but there may be others places in Spain as well.
 
patrick457 said:
Unfortunately, because of the widespread adoption of the OF among the order at the time of its promulgation (the Dominicans kept a few peculiar customs and carried them over the OF though, I believe), many in the present generation of Dominicans don’t seem to even know that there is a “Dominican Rite”. 😦
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That last sentence is more true of the Carmelites than of the Dominicans. The Carmelite usage is basically in a coma, which is very sad, since it very rich and beautiful. I haven’t seen it offered in over 45 years, but it amazes even me that I can still recall images of it.

Anyway, from what I have been able to glean, it’s many of the younger Dominicans in the Western Province who are in the forefront of preserving their unique liturgical heritage, and the Prior Provincial is well disposed to maintaining it. I’ve heard tell that it’s been done in the Eastern Province too, but the celebrants may have been visitors from the Western. OTOH, the Provincial in the Eastern seems to be “weakening” so it may yet resurface. I also hear that it’s done by the Dominicans in the UK.

While I’ve never had the pleasure to witness the Dominican usage, I hope I will have the opportunity to do so. And, oh, to see the Carmelite usage again …
 
Jimzz12 said:
newliturgicalmovement.org/2008/10/dominican-blessing-of-holy-rosary.html
newliturgicalmovement.org/2008/04/new-dominican-rite-resources-on-web.html

dominican-liturgy.blogspot.com/2008/06/dominican-use-of-capuce.html
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Ah thank you! I should’ve thought of that myself, as I have been there in the past and downloaded the entire archive of material – I simply didn’t look through it yet and forgot about it!

Now the Carmelite rite… I would dearly love to see that too… Perhaps even a bit more than the Dominican. 🙂
 
Shin said:
Ah thank you! I should’ve thought of that myself, as I have been there in the past and downloaded the entire archive of material – I simply didn’t look through it yet and forgot about it!

Now the Carmelite rite… I would dearly love to see that too… Perhaps even a bit more than the Dominican. 🙂
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If you have good fortune to attend the traditional Dominican usage, be thankful. But don’t hold your breath for the Carmelite: I have a feeling it’s going to take some time to get that one out of its coma, but there may be hope: some of the (few) younger O. Carms may actually be interested in the remarkable tradition that the “children of the '60” put into suspended animation.
 
malphono said:
If you have good fortune to attend the traditional Dominican usage, be thankful. But don’t hold your breath for the Carmelite: I have a feeling it’s going to take some time to get that one out of its coma, but there may be hope: some of the (few) younger O. Carms may actually be interested in the remarkable tradition that the “children of the '60” put into suspended animation.
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If you find anyone who still practices it, and a young person who even just -could- be interested in it, I am sure you will steer them on the right path. 😃
 
Shin said:
If you find anyone who still practices it, and a young person who even just -could- be interested in it, I am sure you will steer them on the right path. 😃
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The ultimate would be Conventual Mass with the friars gathered in choir, singing the propers! Ah, well … wishful thinking for the moment.

But if encouraging even one Carmelite to do it is within possibility, I would do so in a heartbeat. 😉 The loss of the incredibly rich Carmelite usage is a prospect that I do not look at kindly.
 
I to would love to see the Carmelite usage offered again. As to the Dominican usage, in Monroe, Ct, Bp Mckenna says it everyday, never having stopped. The website is rosarychapel.net It is worth a visit. He doesn’t accept any of the changes since Vatican II, nor those men who have put them into place. One can’t unite yourself with those who have shown by their actions or writing that they have defected from the faith.

Joe
 
malphono said:
Anyway, from what I have been able to glean, it’s many of the younger Dominicans in the Western Province who are in the forefront of preserving their unique liturgical heritage, and the Prior Provincial is well disposed to maintaining it. I’ve heard tell that it’s been done in the Eastern Province too, but the celebrants may have been visitors from the Western. OTOH, the Provincial in the Eastern seems to be “weakening” so it may yet resurface. I also hear that it’s done by the Dominicans in the UK.
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Like I said earlier… According to a cousin of mine from Boston, his friend is scheduled to join the eastern province Dominicans. He said what caused him to join was the resurgence of the Domincan usage. (Thanks for the proper terminology).

I like the cappello romano. If I were a Dominican I’d wouldn’t ever take that sucker off.

Are there any issues with the Dominicans from which one should be on their toes? I only say this because its really a shame to see someone go off a good Catholic and come back a wretched beast spouting off about how great liberation theology and how the Church should get with the times.
 
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