Dominicans and Franciscans

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JReducation said:
Yes, I know. But most people don’t know what OFS is yet. Some people still have SFO or TOSF or TOS in their memory banks. The younger people probably are probably more familiar with SFO, since OFS in English is less than 6 months old.

Franciscan covers a multitude of saints and sinners.

When we speak about the OFM, we don’t call them Franciscans. The laity refers to all of us as Franciscans. When we speak about the OFM we cal them by their full name. Observant Franciscans and the TOR would be Franciscan Bros of Penance.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV

:rotfl: I had to think of the initials after my name. Life was much easier before we had so many initials for Franciscans. 😦
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😃

Thanks for the explanation, fratello.👍
 
iloveangels said:
So Luigi Daniele, hope you don’t mind my asking but are you a Franciscan hanging out with Benedictines, or a Benedictine hanging out with Franciscans? 😛
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Franciscan hanging out with Franciscans:)

NB: I have a huge love and respect for the Bennies.
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
Franciscan hanging out with Franciscans:)

NB: I have a huge love and respect for the Bennies.
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Incidentally, the clincher came last night, when a dear OFS friend reached out to me via email. It was such a beautiful and loving post, that I “couldn’t say no”.

I owe him a great deal, even if the commitment will be hard (gasoline-wise). The Lord will provide.🙂
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
Incidentally, the clincher came last night, when a dear OFS friend reached out to me via email. It was such a beautiful and loving post, that I “couldn’t say no”.

I owe him a great deal, even if the commitment will be hard (gasoline-wise). The Lord will provide.🙂
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Jesus has plenty of gasoline. He was Palestinian.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
JReducation said:
People who don’t love Benedictines don’t love their cats. 😦

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
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I would like to learn some prayer methods from the Benedictines. I think that might be helpful.

Besides, I love my cat.
 
iloveangels said:
I would like to learn some prayer methods from the Benedictines. I think that might be helpful.

Besides, I love my cat.
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If you pray the Breviary and do Lectio Divinia, that’s it.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
JReducation said:
I’m glad we agree.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
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I’m teaching myself how to use the Liturgy of the Hours. There’s a book called Divine Office for Dodos that’s been very helpful, and I also use Universalis quite a bit because it keeps it from being frustrating, which is necessary for me sometimes.

Lectio Divinia, if I understand correctly, is using a text like Scripture to pray with. Yes, I do that but I’m not sure if there’s any more structure to it than I know about. It’s something I need to read more about.
 
iloveangels said:
I’m teaching myself how to use the Liturgy of the Hours. There’s a book called Divine Office for Dodos that’s been very helpful, and I also use Universalis quite a bit because it keeps it from being frustrating, which is necessary sometimes.

Lectio Divinia, if I understand correctly, is using a text like Scripture to pray with. Yes, I do that but I’m not sure if there’s any more structure to it than I know about. It’s something I need to read more about.
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The structure to Lectio is deliberately simple, so as not to become distracted by rubrics and rules.

In our house, we begin with a simple line:

“Let us remember that we’re in the Holy Presence of God. Now speak Lord, for your servant is listening.”

Then we read the scrpture. Not too much, but enough to get a complete idea or story. As you we go along, we speak to God about what jumps out at us. If nothing jumps out at us, we sit there quietly with the Word of God in our hand, always remember that the printed Word is truly the Word that was made flesh and dwelt among us. We need not always say much to pray with the Word. Sometimes just holding it and knowing that this is the Word through whom all things were made, for whom all things were made and through which all things are brought back to the Father is enough for one sitting. A sitting can be from 15 min to 60 min depending on your schedule. It is better never to put Lectio when you’re in a hurry. If you have to be somewhere and time is short, leave it for the last part of the day.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
iloveangels said:
Lectio Divinia, if I understand correctly, is using a text like Scripture to pray with. Yes, I do that but I’m not sure if there’s any more structure to it than I know about. It’s something I need to read more about.
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This book was recommended to me by a Monk when I asked for a reference on Lectio Divina. I haven’t read it yet, so I cannot comment beyond saying that it came well recommended.

amazon.com/gp/product/0892438916/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00
 
jwinch2 said:
This book was recommended to me by a Monk when I asked for a reference on Lectio Divina. I haven’t read it yet, so I cannot comment beyond saying that it came well recommended.

amazon.com/gp/product/0892438916/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00
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Thank you, Jason. I put it on my wish list at Amazon.

Here’s something you might be interested in. Have you ever bought books from the Institute of Carmelite Studies? (they all have ICS on the binding someplace–and they’re Carmelite of course)
 
JReducation said:
The structure to Lectio is deliberately simple, so as not to become distracted by rubrics and rules.

In our house, we begin with a simple line:

“Let us remember that we’re in the Holy Presence of God. Now speak Lord, for your servant is listening.”

Then we read the scrpture. Not too much, but enough to get a complete idea or story. As you we go along, we speak to God about what jumps out at us. If nothing jumps out at us, we sit there quietly with the Word of God in our hand, always remember that the printed Word is truly the Word that was made flesh and dwelt among us. We need not always say much to pray with the Word. Sometimes just holding it and knowing that this is the Word through whom all things were made, for whom all things were made and through which all things are brought back to the Father is enough for one sitting. A sitting can be from 15 min to 60 min depending on your schedule. It is better never to put Lectio when you’re in a hurry. If you have to be somewhere and time is short, leave it for the last part of the day.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
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That’s helpful information, Br. JR. I’ve also used the prayers of saints and that works for me too, in order to keep me going when I get stuck. Thank you.
 
There’s an old book by a Fr. Marie_Eugene OCD. It’s about St. Teresa of Avila and it’s one of the best things I’ve ever seen about prayer. It was very helpful to me.

I found an old library copy online. They’re still floating around, and I think it’s been reprinted too.

I also, at one point, was using a book called “Divine Intimacy,” which is very, very good.

Everybody has different tastes and so on, but they were very helpful for me.

As a convert, I had trouble getting started on the spiritual life. I mean the enthusiasm and everything was there, but I had to figure out “what I was made of” and what my spiritual “parts” were if that makes any sense…LOL. For instance, I didn’t realize that baptism did more than make you a member of the Church and things like that. I had no idea how to think about my “faculties” as Aquinas might call them. My soul and so on. I still find some of that perplexing.
 
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