Dominicans and Franciscans

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jwinch2 said:
This book was recommended to me by a Monk when I asked for a reference on Lectio Divina. I haven’t read it yet, so I cannot comment beyond saying that it came well recommended.

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I read it and as Spiritual Theologian I loved it. But it’s not very helpful in practice. What he does is give you an analysis of where Lectio comes from and how it works. It only near the end that he talks about how to do Lectio and it’s very brief, Just a little more than what I said, because he goes into distraction.

For the person who wants to learn to do Lectio, this book won’t teach much. For the person who is interested in the background and the theology of Lectio, it’s an excellent primer.

Earthen Vessels is very good. The author explains the point that I was making about Aquinas and Spiritual Theology. He explains how the spiritual life is rooted in prayer, not in dogma. However, in order to assess our life of prayer, it is necessary to have at least a basic knowledge of dogma. He takes you through the early Fathers and the Desert Fathers to show you how what motivated their life of prayer and how prayer led them to the understanding of truth and truth helped them to stay on the right path of prayer.

He’s very good for the beginner and the theologian.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
JReducation said:
I read it and as Spiritual Theologian I loved it. But it’s not very helpful in practice. What he does is give you an analysis of where Lectio comes from and how it works. It only near the end that he talks about how to do Lectio and it’s very brief, Just a little more than what I said, because he goes into distraction.

For the person who wants to learn to do Lectio, this book won’t teach much. For the person who is interested in the background and the theology of Lectio, it’s an excellent primer.

Earthen Vessels is very good. The author explains the point that I was making about Aquinas and Spiritual Theology. He explains how the spiritual life is rooted in prayer, not in dogma. However, in order to assess our life of prayer, it is necessary to have at least a basic knowledge of dogma. He takes you through the early Fathers and the Desert Fathers to show you how what motivated their life of prayer and how prayer led them to the understanding of truth and truth helped them to stay on the right path of prayer.

He’s very good for the beginner and the theologian.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
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I understand about doctrinal theology and mystical theology both being true, but in different ways, like 2 sides of the same coin. That doesn’t bother me at all; and in fact, I think it’s beautiful…

I need “how to” about half the time, which is dumb, but it is what it is.

Right now I’m reading something which I’d normally consider pretty lightweight and an odd source of this kind of information, but it’s very lucid and detailed. It’s one of John Michael Talbot’s books. I"m not sure how much to trust it though.
 
JReducation said:
I read it and as Spiritual Theologian I loved it. But it’s not very helpful in practice. What he does is give you an analysis of where Lectio comes from and how it works. It only near the end that he talks about how to do Lectio and it’s very brief, Just a little more than what I said, because he goes into distraction.

For the person who wants to learn to do Lectio, this book won’t teach much. For the person who is interested in the background and the theology of Lectio, it’s an excellent primer.
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Interesting, thanks for that. I will read it and then probably seek out a more applied primer as well. Its always nice to integrate theory and practice, something Fr. Bunge talks about in Earthen Vessels in addition to what you mentioned in your analysis below.
Earthen Vessels is very good. The author explains the point that I was making about Aquinas and Spiritual Theology. He explains how the spiritual life is rooted in prayer, not in dogma. However, in order to assess our life of prayer, it is necessary to have at least a basic knowledge of dogma. He takes you through the early Fathers and the Desert Fathers to show you how what motivated their life of prayer and how prayer led them to the understanding of truth and truth helped them to stay on the right path of prayer.
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He’s very good for the beginner and the theologian.
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Fraternally,
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Br. JR, FFV 🙂
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I thought it was fantastic. In fact, I am re-reading it because I enjoyed it so much. That’s the first time I could ever say that about a book on prayer.

Peace,
 
jwinch2 said:
Interesting, thanks for that. I will read it and then probably seek out a more applied primer as well. Its always nice to integrate theory and practice, something Fr. Bunge talks about in Earthen Vessels in addition to what you mentioned in your analysis below.

I thought it was fantastic. In fact, I am re-reading it because I enjoyed it so much. That’s the first time I could ever say that about a book on prayer.

Peace,
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That’s a great recommendation. It just landed in my next order, Jason. Thanks. 👍

I also like books on the spiritual life by Fr. Benedict Groeschel a great deal. I like his very human approach and his good explanations.

I have one on Lectio Divina from ICS somewhere in my books. I’ts a thin little book. icspublications.org/bookstore/images/Lectio.jpg
I read it a long time ago. I should get it out again. [There. NOw the link works.]
 
jwinch2 said:
Interesting, thanks for that. I will read it and then probably seek out a more applied primer as well. Its always nice to integrate theory and practice, something Fr. Bunge talks about in Earthen Vessels in addition to what you mentioned in your analysis below.

I thought it was fantastic. In fact, I am re-reading it because I enjoyed it so much. That’s the first time I could ever say that about a book on prayer.

Peace,
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You have to read Augustine on Prayer by Hand. He paraphrases Augustine, which is helpful, because the older translations of Augustine into English are dry, when in fact, Augustine is very passionate.

The English translators of the 18th and 19th century tended to turn grapes into raisins when translating. I never realized it until I learned to reach other languages and could pick up books in their original form.

This one has kept the energy and passion of Augustine by side stepping the direct translation and speaking in his tone without the aridity.

Try it and let me know what you think. I used to think that Augustine was heavy reading until I read this. He’s quite charming, not heavy at all. Hand also translated one of the editions of City of God. I didn’t sleep for four days until I finished it. I had read in in post graduate school and it was as dry as a cracker. This other translation was like Chips Ahoy Soft Chocolate Chirp Cookie.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
JReducation said:
You have to read Augustine on Prayer by Hand. He paraphrases Augustine, which is helpful, because the older translations of Augustine into English are dry, when in fact, Augustine is very passionate.

The English translators of the 18th and 19th century tended to turn grapes into raisins when translating. I never realized it until I learned to reach other languages and could pick up books in their original form.

This one has kept the energy and passion of Augustine by side stepping the direct translation and speaking in his tone without the aridity.

Try it and let me know what you think.
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Will do, thanks for the recommendation.
 
We think of Lectio when we consider the Benedictines–are there specific types of prayer unique to (or that started with) the Franciscans or Dominicans? I suppose the Rosary would be the big contribution of the Dominicans.
 
AlwaysCurious said:
We think of Lectio when we consider the Benedictines–are there specific types of prayer unique to (or that started with) the Franciscans or Dominicans? I suppose the Rosary would be the big contribution of the Dominicans.
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Franciscans: we have types of prayer, but more often they come in the form of customs used during prayer or liturgy

Stations of the cross

Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament

First Saturdays

Devotion to the Immaculate Conception

Devotion tot he Infant Jesus

Devotion tot he Holy Cross

Crown Rosary

Christmas creche

Christmas pageant

Passion play

Blessing of animals

Regular confession

Preservation of the Blessed Sacrament in Churches

Mass ad populum

Dialogue mass

CITHH while standing

Recited Divine office without Gregorian Chant

Mass without Gregorian chant, but with hymns in the language of the people or in simple Latin

Novenas

Weds Fast and abstinence

Three lents

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
Brother,
I really love the Crown. Which mysteries do you
use (I know of 3 sets)?
 
There used to be a cover for a Liturgy of the Hours volume that would cover the LotH volume itself and the Franciscan supplement, so that it would form essentially 1 book, ie, both books were covered by 1 cover.

Can’t find it.😦 Any ideas?
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
There used to be a cover for a Liturgy of the Hours volume that would cover the LotH volume itself and the Franciscan supplement, so that it would form essentially 1 book, ie, both books were covered by 1 cover.

Can’t find it.😦 Any ideas?
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It still exists. But usually it comes setup with both books, because they have to be the same size. The cover says Roman-Franciscan

go to www.franciscanresources.com or call them.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
There used to be a cover for a Liturgy of the Hours volume that would cover the LotH volume itself and the Franciscan supplement, so that it would form essentially 1 book, ie, both books were covered by 1 cover.

Can’t find it.😦 Any ideas?
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You know, Luigi, I know what you’re talking about. But I haven’t seen that for sale anyplace. I don’t know if they’re still available or where people have gotten them.
 
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