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Benignus
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I checked the website for the Southern Dominican province, and I didn’t find anything about them using the Central Province’s facilities. They have their own Novitiate and Studium in San Antonio.
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JNB
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St. Patricks is my home parish, and it is an excellent parish on all fronts. One wont see altar girls, or EMHCs there and all use the altar rail for communion, and there is confession there daily, with all the priests being call caliber confessors.
If you have a priestly vocation, please consider the St. Joesph province o fthe Dominicans.
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Benignus
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I will definitely consider the St. Joseph province. BTW- my Grandparents go to St. Joseph’s in Somerset, OH, which is staffed by the Dominicans. Do you know of it?
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frdave20
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I suppose that this has nothing to do with the discussion that is prevailing in this thread. But I have a question, concern… I have heard that the Dominican habit was not originally black in the manner of today. Somewhere in the history of the Order, theologians, etal. preached error and the Pope at that time as a matter of dispensing penance, required the Order to where the black habit… I have heard this more than once, but I wanted to know if I was the only one.
I would recommend the Order of Mercy – Mercedarians. that is the order that I am going to apply for to enter next fall, 2005. VERY ORTHODOX!!!
I would recommend the Order of Mercy – Mercedarians. that is the order that I am going to apply for to enter next fall, 2005. VERY ORTHODOX!!!
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I have never heard of such a thing before… I do not have the book in front of me right now, but from what I understand, when St. Dominic founded the order he used the traditional Rule of St. Augustine - under that Rule, white is the habit color. To indicate the difference between the Dominicans and the regular Augustinains, the Dominican habit used black over the white. They do not always wear the black, only when in formal habit or during certain liturgical times and seasons (ie, Lent).
The Dominicans became known as the “Black Friars” (particularly in England) because of their use of black in their formal habits when out in public or hearing confessions. But they had certainly been wearing the black already!!
Nowhere have I ever read of the black habit as being a “penance” for Dominicans by the Pope, now, Jesuits on the other hand…
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AngelicDoctor
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Ohh, as Per THOMISTIC, the JESUITS are supposed to be THOMISTIC, as he was the only theologian recomended by Vatican II. Furthermore, I LOVE the Congregations that came after the Council of TRENT(16th Century) they seem to be more in touch with the people, and less hermits. I LOVE REAL Jesuits like the late Father John Hardon, S.J, and present ones such as Father Kenneth Baker, S.J.(GREAT!!!) And others. What about the LEGIONARIES of CHRIST???
Regarding thomism. Perhaps the Jesuits of old studied primarily Thomas, but at least the ones in academia (that taught in Rome–who came from countries throughout the world) were more modern than traditional Thomism. They would often use the “transcendental thomism” of Jesuit theologian Karl Rahner, for example. Very different. Also, just because THomas is the only theologian explicitly recommended in Vatican II does not mean that he is the only one taught in seminaries and schools of theologians (nor that he should be the only one taught–just that he should be the foundation for what is taught). Some (I am not saying all) SJ’s are also a bit dodgy on moral theology issues.
Anyways, if you like St. Thomas’ theology, I would recommend more the Dominicans where you are sure to get it in most cases.
I say all that and also say that I respect the Jesuits immensely. They have played a great role in the history of the Church and should do so in the future, and they deserve good men to enter as priests. I have just found that they can be often hit-or-miss–I have met some Jesuits who were wildly unorthodox and had contempot for the magisterium; I have also met some who were among the most talented, intelligent, outstanding, and loving priests/preachers/theologians that I have ever met. I say that just to caution someone to look into the province if considering them. But, that goes pretty much the same with all orders. The Church needs a great variety of orders, the important thing is to serve in one of them if you are so called. God bless!
Regarding thomism. Perhaps the Jesuits of old studied primarily Thomas, but at least the ones in academia (that taught in Rome–who came from countries throughout the world) were more modern than traditional Thomism. They would often use the “transcendental thomism” of Jesuit theologian Karl Rahner, for example. Very different. Also, just because THomas is the only theologian explicitly recommended in Vatican II does not mean that he is the only one taught in seminaries and schools of theologians (nor that he should be the only one taught–just that he should be the foundation for what is taught). Some (I am not saying all) SJ’s are also a bit dodgy on moral theology issues.
Anyways, if you like St. Thomas’ theology, I would recommend more the Dominicans where you are sure to get it in most cases.
I say all that and also say that I respect the Jesuits immensely. They have played a great role in the history of the Church and should do so in the future, and they deserve good men to enter as priests. I have just found that they can be often hit-or-miss–I have met some Jesuits who were wildly unorthodox and had contempot for the magisterium; I have also met some who were among the most talented, intelligent, outstanding, and loving priests/preachers/theologians that I have ever met. I say that just to caution someone to look into the province if considering them. But, that goes pretty much the same with all orders. The Church needs a great variety of orders, the important thing is to serve in one of them if you are so called. God bless!
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Benignus
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I truly do feel called to the Dominicans. Ever since I first read a biography of Saint Dominic I have been greatly inspired by his order. I like Saint Thomas Aquinas. However, I haven’t really read very much of his stuff. Trouble is, I don’t know what to read. Would you possibly be able to recommend a book that would be a good introduction to Thomism? If you could I would greatly appreciate it.
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dominicsavio
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Benignus,
peace be with you! many Thomistic scholars of the last century that i know of recommend The Dumb Ox by G.K. Chesterton as the best introduction to the life and thought of St. Thomas Aquinas. Fr. Vincent Serpa is on this website and works with Catholic Answers. you should get in contact with him. i would be willing to bet he could give you the inside scoop as to which provinces are really solid and where you might want to go to talk to Dominicans. He could probably also tell you which info to read about them.
peace be with you! many Thomistic scholars of the last century that i know of recommend The Dumb Ox by G.K. Chesterton as the best introduction to the life and thought of St. Thomas Aquinas. Fr. Vincent Serpa is on this website and works with Catholic Answers. you should get in contact with him. i would be willing to bet he could give you the inside scoop as to which provinces are really solid and where you might want to go to talk to Dominicans. He could probably also tell you which info to read about them.
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tractarian
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A Summa of the Summa by Peter Kreeft is a single-volume annotated selection from the Summa Theologica and it is IMHO the best introduction to Thomist philosophy and theology.
Also, i would like to add my 2 cents and say that there is nothing saying that the Jesuits are “supposed to” be Thomist, despite the Vatican II endorsement of that theology. The Jesuits have their own distinctive theological tradition (namely Molinism), as do the Carmelites (Sts. Teresa of Avila and John of the Cross certainly weren’t Thomists), the Augustinians, and any order that has been around long enough. Nothing in Vatican II says that they are all supposed to give up their heritage and replace it with Thomism.
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I don’t think terms like “orthodox” are very helpful. Try to visit the order and see what you think. Have you spen a weekend with them yet. And try a few Dominican orders, if the spirituality appeals to you.
Catherine of Siena was a Dominican too
Catherine of Siena was a Dominican too
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Deacon_Tony560
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Dominican Sisters came to a town near us many years ago and started a greatly needed hospital. They were nurses, lab techs Etc. I had the pleasure of working with them as a volunteer. It was very sad to see them advance in age without sufficient vocations to carry on at the hospital. This seems to be a problem in a lot of the orders. I feel that Catholic Sisters were great in encouraging young men to enter the priesthood. If their numbers would once again increase, I think vocations to the priesthood would increase.
Have a Holy Lent,
Deacon Tony
Have a Holy Lent,
Deacon Tony
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serendipity
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What I’ve noticed too, is that a type of spirituality may predominate a group of orders, like all Dominican orders are influenced by Dominican spiritualty, but the articulation of how that spirituality is demonstrated in actiosn and misisions, may vary greatly form community to community; another reason why visits are so improtant.
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KML12031959
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I grew up in Oak Park, Illinois. I have had many experiences with both the very good and the very bad among the Dominicans of the Central Province (Province of St. Albert the Great) over the years.
My take on the current state of the Central Province is that, if a man is considering a vocation to the Dominicans, he should NOT consider joining the Dominicans of the Central Province. The province as a whole is infested with homosexuals (including the current Provincial - who taught Moral Theology, of all subjects, at the Central Province’s seminary in St. Louis for decades - and his immediate predecessor as Provincial, as well as the current President of Fenwick High School in Oak Park), and the formation team most certainly seeks out “birds of a feather” when considering candidates for the Dominicans. The Provincials dating back Father Goergen in the late 1970s (cf. Jason Berry’s LEAD US NOT INTO TEMPTATION for more details) have been strong supporters (in written word as well as in spoken word) of active homosexual/lesbian sexual behavior and lifestyle.
AND the bent of the preaching of most of the Dominicans of this province, and their teaching in their seminary, has been doctrinally heterodox at best and downright heretical at worst. They have sold out the strong charism of their order in the Midwest.
There ARE a number of good Dominicans still out there. (I was taught by quite a number of them at Fenwick High School - though not the ones who taught Theology back then - and even by one at De Paul University, as well as by the many good Dominicans who said Mass at St. Edmund Church and at St. Vincent Ferrer Church - and, of course, by the Dominican priest who presided at my parents’ wedding back in June of 1957.) But those “good” Dominicans are in their 80s and 90s, and most of them are in ill health.
From what I have seen, the Province of St. Joseph (Eastern Province) of the Dominican Fathers is very solid and doctrinally orthodox (except for those at Providence College). And the Province of the Most Holy Name of Mary (Western Province) is cleaning up its act little by little. But NOT, at this point, the Central Province.
My take on the current state of the Central Province is that, if a man is considering a vocation to the Dominicans, he should NOT consider joining the Dominicans of the Central Province. The province as a whole is infested with homosexuals (including the current Provincial - who taught Moral Theology, of all subjects, at the Central Province’s seminary in St. Louis for decades - and his immediate predecessor as Provincial, as well as the current President of Fenwick High School in Oak Park), and the formation team most certainly seeks out “birds of a feather” when considering candidates for the Dominicans. The Provincials dating back Father Goergen in the late 1970s (cf. Jason Berry’s LEAD US NOT INTO TEMPTATION for more details) have been strong supporters (in written word as well as in spoken word) of active homosexual/lesbian sexual behavior and lifestyle.
AND the bent of the preaching of most of the Dominicans of this province, and their teaching in their seminary, has been doctrinally heterodox at best and downright heretical at worst. They have sold out the strong charism of their order in the Midwest.
There ARE a number of good Dominicans still out there. (I was taught by quite a number of them at Fenwick High School - though not the ones who taught Theology back then - and even by one at De Paul University, as well as by the many good Dominicans who said Mass at St. Edmund Church and at St. Vincent Ferrer Church - and, of course, by the Dominican priest who presided at my parents’ wedding back in June of 1957.) But those “good” Dominicans are in their 80s and 90s, and most of them are in ill health.
From what I have seen, the Province of St. Joseph (Eastern Province) of the Dominican Fathers is very solid and doctrinally orthodox (except for those at Providence College). And the Province of the Most Holy Name of Mary (Western Province) is cleaning up its act little by little. But NOT, at this point, the Central Province.
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Sunbreak
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Well, I think it depends on the province area. In my area, I have found that they are more “head” oriented than “heart” oriented. Many (but not all) of the guest preachers seem to be very intellectual speaking in facts and theology and not regular language that regular people understand. I did at one time study with the Dominican laity at one time, thinking I might be a third order member, but I found the material to be very heady and boring.
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