Don’t use the kneelers

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tuffsmurf said:
One what view? That almost no meassures were taken against the Asian flu? That the Asian flu killed 1-4 million people?
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So you are saying that with regard to covid-19 you know better than all the global experts.
They all maintain the measures are appropriate or even need to be tighter. What do you know that they don’t?
 
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What has that got to do with what I said about the Asian flu?

I don’t doubt that the meassures taken will slow down the spread of the virus. But I don’t think we should do it anyway.
 
tuffsmurf said:
What has that got to do with what I said about the Asian flu?

I don’t doubt that the meassures taken will slow down the spread of the virus. But I don’t think we should do it anyway.
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When I talk about covid-19 you are the one who brought up the Asian flu to justify your position on measures for covid-19 being inappropriate.
All the global experts know about the Asian flu but maintain that the covid-19 pandemic is the worst health crisis in a century so my question is what do you know that they don’t to say the measures are not appropriate. No point referring to the Asian flu because the experts are already aware of that and they still say covid-19 is the biggest crisis and that measures are appropriate or should even be tighter.
 
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I suppose you have never heard of the Asian flu of 1957, that killed between 1-4 million people. So no, the coronavirus is not the worst global health crisis in a century. The virus most definitely isn’t a hoax (I have had it), but the “protective meassures” aren’t appropriate. The survival rate is over 99 %.
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Malaria is the worst health threat in history and currently. It has changed the course of world history over and over again.

E.g., one of the main reasons that Africans were subjected to slavery (not just in the U.S. but in many countries) is because many Africans (black) are resistant to malaria (because of sickle cell trait). In the U.S. right now, we are experiencing civil unrest and protests yet again because of the injustices that slavery perpetrated upon Africans, slavery that can be directly attributed to malaria.

That’s just one example of the effect of malaria on world history. COVID, influenza, bubonic plague–they have definitely left their mark, but nothing, NOTHING comes close to malaria’s influence on human history.
 
Can you explain more in detail how resistance against malaria led to slavery in Africa? That doesn’t really sound plausible. The main reason why black slaves were brought to America was because slave trade already was such a big industry in West Africa. Why capture and enslave people when you can just go and buy the already enslaved?

But I do agree that malaria indeed is much worse than both covid-19 and the Asian flu.
 
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The Asian flu was deadlier than covid-19, it was more easily spread and killed more people. You need to provide some kind of source that compare them and reach the conclusion that covid-19 is worse.

You would still agree that the Spanish flu was worse than covid-19, right? And the meassures taken against the Spanish flu was nowhere near the meassure we have taken now.
 
Cirdan_XII said:
typically neither men nor women would be wearing clothes in church that leave the knees uncovered.
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I don’t know about other women but I don’t usually kneel on my skirts. It would be bare knees on the kneeler.

I don’t know if many parishes are like mine but the cleaning between masses is done by a handful of volunteers, most of them over the age of 60. So I understand trying to keep to a minimum the number of surfaces they have to clean.
 
This is ridiculous. We are not going spread COVID-19 from kneelers.
 
tuffsmurf said:
The Asian flu was deadlier than covid-19, it was more easily spread and killed more people. You need to provide some kind of source that compare them and reach the conclusion that covid-19 is worse.

You would still agree that the Spanish flu was worse than covid-19, right? And the meassures taken against the Spanish flu was nowhere near the meassure we have taken now.
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I do not have to provide anything as you are one who claimed protective measures currently taken against covid-19 are inappropriate. I pointed out that global experts all agree that this is the worst health crisis since the Spanish flu so there is little point in you keep bringing up the Asian flu. Do you really think none of the global experts have considered that before their conclusion on covid-19.

Come on now!! Do you really expect measures against something 100 years ago would be as good as those now. You are right about the measures then being inadequate. That’s why around 50 million deaths globally happened.
 
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I haven’t heard any experts saying that covid-19 is the worst health crisis since the Spanish flu. It would be very unprofessional to say such a thing right now, since these things can only be determined AFTER the pandemic. I would also strongly question any “global expert” who base their conclusion on which pandemic that was worse by anything else than death rates, lethality and contagiousness (all parameters that was worse with Asian flu).
 
At our parish, we ask people not to use the kneelers, and have done so ever since COVID-19.

It is announced before Mass, just like the instructions to stay in your place and we will bring Holy Communion to you, and distribute it, at this time, in the hand.

Neither Father nor I have had anyone complain or make a fuss about neither the kneelers nor the receiving in the hand.

FYI - the request to refrain from using the kneelers has to do with sanitizing them between Masses. Most of the volunteers are elderly people, and it is hard to sanitize the kneelers without bending waaaaay down in each pew.

A few people do kneel on the carpet itself.

Deacon Christopher
 
Masks were not commonly used during the Spanish flu, not because they didn’t exist but because the mentality was something more along the lines of:
“Illnesses are a part of life. If you get it, then so be it. Life has to go on like normal despite of this pandemic.”
 
Because the sanitizing chemicals require glove use and a certain level of dampness applied by the microfiber towels. A crew of six, experienced people, who do it at that Mass each week have the system down.

I can’t afford to put gloves, sprayers, and towels out for 50 or 75 families, each to do their own. Nor can we trust that many different people to do the job correctly and efficiently.

Deacon Christopher
 
I’m glad you asked.

The Ecolab chemicals we are using are effective, FAST, (45-second kill time) and cost efficient. They also do the least (but still SOME) damage to the varnishes and stains of woodwork.

We researched lots of solutions before settling on this one, which has been in use for months now, and we are very happy with it.

I think some folks overlook the fact that the sanitizing chemicals work differently (and are absorbed differently) on various kinds of surfaces: wood, carpet, pew-back upholstery, kneeler upholstery.

When COVID-19 is over, we will need to re-varnish at least the tops and sides of the pews.

Deacon Christopher
 
Deacon,
I don’t have an issue with not using the kneelers per se (though I do see it as pretty low risk - especially as only my shoe and the knee portion of my pants made contact with the kneeler), and I would have been more than happy to have knelt on the carpet…but I wasn’t aware that it was forbidden and had knelt at the same parish a couple days before without anyone confronting me. I still do take some issue with the fact that I was the only person in the congregation wearing a mask, but what they’re worried about is foot / knee contact… but certainly if I am back at that parish again during Covid, I will avoid the kneeler and kneel on the floor. If anyone takes issue with me kneeling on the floor (no one was doing this), that’s another issue…
 
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Most of our people wear masks, and have the entire time since re-opening.

A few don’t, but no one bothers them about it. We’re in the soul-saving business, not the mask-policing business. And our local mask ordinance has all kinds of exceptions built into the law: people with underlying conditions (I would assume those are breathing-related), mental conditions (I would assume including claustrophobia), young children, people with disabilities that make putting on masks difficult, etc.

I just tell the ushers/hospitality people to assume one of those exceptions exists for that person: it’s not our place to ask them.

Deacon Christopher
 
I didn’t read past the first few responses, so forgive me if this has already been said. It seems like it would make the most sense for kneelers to remain in the down position so no one has to touch them with their hands. Unless you have some sort of knee licking habit, it seems harmless to kneel.
 
Don’t be ridiculous. We are not just talking about washing hands and wearing masks. Protective measures means everything including lockdowns and closing businesses and stopping gatherings.
 
The measures they had then were nothing like those currently in place.

I will also ask you why global experts today say the covid-19 pandemic is the worst health crisis since the Spanish flu.
 
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