Don’t use the kneelers

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Guess what? Around 50 million people died because of that!

The strict protective measures currently in place globally will prevent such a high death toll.
 
If I say what I think about such a comment I will get suspended by the moderators!
 
A lot of deaths occurred because the governments of the day didn’t want any mention of the disease because they wanted to keep up morale during WW I. So the “Spanish Flu” that was first observed in the US, France and Germany, wasn’t mentioned by the press until it appeared in Spain some time later.

It also killed quickly. I live in Labrador which was more than decimated by this flu.
https://www.heritage.nf.ca/articles/politics/1918-spanish-flu.php
 
Cor_ad_Cor said:
Here, we’re still under a prohibition from the bishop to not attend Mass anywhere other than our parish of registration, so you would have either known the procedure or quite possibly have been stopped at the door from what I understand.
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If you’re not registered anywhere, can you still attend Mass at your territorial parish?
 
The actual directive states “home parish” and unless I’m mistaken, it was up to the pastor to determine what that meant for people wishing to attend his parish church. The idea was simply to avoid a lot of mobility between parishes during this time. Apologies for misrepresenting.
 
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One what view? That almost no meassures were taken against the Asian flu? That the Asian flu killed 1-4 million people?
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So you are saying that with regard to covid-19 you know better than all the global experts.
They all maintain the measures are appropriate or even need to be tighter. What do you know that they don’t?
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What measures are agreed upon by all experts? There is little consistency from place to place. Wash hands frequently, avoid large groups, maintain a distance of 6 feet or more. Those seem to be universally agreed-upon. Other measures, not so much. There is a growing concensus for masks, but all experts?

Closing down schools? Experts disagree about whether that is necessary or even helpful.

Some measures that have been implemented defy logic. Taco Bell has developed a bizarre procedure for contactless delivery of food at the drive-thru. They now put a seal on the bag so that you know…that it is safe? So one person seals the bag. Another picks it up and puts it in a plastic tray. That same person extends the plastic tray through the window to the driver, where the driver take the bag from the plastic tray. How is this safer than handing off the bag directly? Do all experts agree that this is necessary?

Swedish experts disagree on much of the approach that the rest of the world has taken. Time will tell if their approach was better, but their cases have dropped off dramatically, while the rest of Europe is struggling with new lockdown and a second wave.
 
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tuffsmurf said:
Can you explain more in detail how resistance against malaria led to slavery in Africa?
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I apologize for the confusion–slavery in the United States, not Africa. You’re right, slavery in Africa was already established–the stronger tribes would defeat weaker tribes and use their people as their slaves.

Many people who came to the New World (which includes not only the current United States, but many of the islands like Jamaica, etc.) died of malaria, yellow fever, and other mosquito-borne disease. The death rate was awful. I read today that over half the pilgims who landed near Plymouth Rock were dead of malaria within a few months after arriving.

The big-money crops in the New World were cotton and tobacco, which required a lot of field laborers.

Many Africans had (have) sickle-cell trait (not the full-blown sickle cell disease), which made them immune from malaria (the malarial parasites could not reproduce in the sickled cells).

So Africans were able to do that back-breaking field labor to raise the big-money crops that New World venture capitalists sold to England, France, and other European countries. Africans didn’t succomb to malaria like the Scots and other European indentured servants (and some slaves) did.

And that’s why Africans were valuable “property” in the New World.

Sad, isn’t it. A stupid mosquito.

Apparently there are early Christian images of Satan out of Rome that depicted him as a giant mosquito-like creature. Did you know that Rome was surrounded by swamps which bred malaria-carrying mosquitos, and many strong and might Roman soldiers died young of malaria? It was Benito Mussolini who finally drained the swamps and made Rome safe from malaria! That was in the 1930s–that’s not so long ago! Hard to believe, isn’t it?

I know that my state of Illinois was once a breeding-ground for mosquitos carrying the malarial parasite. One of the folks songs about Illinois is “Elanoy,” which includes the words, “She’s crawfish in the swampy lands, the milk-sick and the shakes” (reference to malaria).
 
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I was once one of those young children who loved to crawl around on the floor and kneelers like little monkeys. In fact, I remember walking on the kneeler at what was probably the first Mass my parents took me to after having had me baptized.

I also remember some guy in a colorful robe standing at the very front and muttering things I couldn’t understand in a dull monotone drone. I didn’t know what any of it was all about. I must have been noisy, because I recall Mama and Daddy shushing me as quietly as they could.

At one point, Daddy picked me up and sat me down next to him in the pew.

Later, I was told I had to be quiet in church. But I was still too young at the time to understand much.
 
JanR said:
I was once one of those young children who loved to crawl around on the floor and kneelers like little monkeys. In fact, I remember walking on the kneeler at what was probably the first Mass my parents took me to after having had me baptized.

I also remember some guy in a colorful robe standing at the very front and muttering things I couldn’t understand in a dull monotone drone. I didn’t know what any of it was all about. I must have been noisy, because I recall Mama and Daddy shushing me as quietly as they could.

At one point, Daddy picked me up and sat me down next to him in the pew.

Later, I was told I had to be quiet in church. But I was still too young at the time to understand much.
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Been there and done that. Matchbox cars, Goldfish, water bottle, the whole thing. And getting my car keys snatched as a prank.
 
When I was little, my parents sat in between us so we wouldn’t misbehave in church. This is how we sat in church:

Me, Dad, sister, Mom and brother (when he wasn’t serving at the altar)

My parents… :cry:
 
Margaret_Ann said:
When I was little, my parents sat in between us so we wouldn’t misbehave in church. This is how we sat in church:

Me, Dad, sister, Mom and brother (when he wasn’t serving at the altar)

My parents… :cry:
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We did that until baby number 4 came along. 😂😍
 
I don’t think there is an epidemiologist who has indicated that kneelers can convey the virus. Some people appear to be a bit over-hygienic; and rather than fault them, it is easier to go along and not contradict them. She may or may not have been the one who determined that kneelers needed to be sanitized, so getting on her case is a tad unnecessary.

Nor is it worth going “up the chain of command”.

The Church allows standing in certain circumstances; it is not worth getting into the nitty gritty. And I understand that some people have a very strong emotional reaction against standing; but when In Rome…

In a battlefield Mass, it was often said on the hood of a jeep. There were no kneelers, no seats; kneeling of the ground was the result. One could take that to the point of kneeling on the floor rather than the kneeler, but God is not going to be disturbed if one stands. And neither is the Church.
 
otjm said:
I don’t think there is an epidemiologist who has indicated that kneelers can convey the virus.
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Has there actually been any testing? I tend to doubt it, although I suppose in one of the big cities, someone might have done some swabbing of kneelers in a popular church and done the testing–but who paid for it?

Anyway, if there WAS testing, I’m guessing that they found evidence of COVID-19 on the kneelers. It’s amazing how scientists discover microbes on everything. Just this morning, I listened to a news story on TV about Legionella and how it can be found in faucets, shower heads, drinking fountains, etc.–pretty much anywhere there is water and water vapor. Thankfully most of us don’t get Legionnaire’s disease unless we are immunocompromised.

I think that’s the fear about kneelers–immunocompromised people can catch almost anything from almost everything! It doesn’t take much.

So IMO, instead of getting rid of kneelers in churches, we ought to very strongly discourage anyone who is immunocompromised from attending church–and sadly, that means that anyone who is older should seriously consider staying home from church–just being over 65 compromises our immune system, even though popular media tries to convince us that “we’re as young as we feel.” Nonsense.

I also think that churches ought to be blunt and urge people who are diagnosed with Diabetes (Type 1 and Type 2) from attending church at this time in history. This disease seems to be a major risk factor in being seriously ill (or dying) from COVID-19 infection.

And of course, anyone who suffers from a chronic disease that weakens them, and IMO, that includes things like rheumatoid arthritis, asthma, even allergies. STAY HOME!

I personally think that the greatest risk is touching the surfaces of the pews and the DOORKNOBS or door handles with ungloved hands. I do not think that the doorknobs and door handles are being santized between every single person who touches it, right? I pull my sleeve over my hand before opening a door, or I push it open with my elbow or my rump.
 
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watching where you put your hands is wise.

Cleaning kneelers is - let’s say nonsensical and let it go at that. In public places where people are constantly going in and out and touching door handles, etc, there is a risk of transmission. That risk is lower than going into a room with little or no air turnover, such as a restaurant. The primary means of transmission is by breath.
 
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