Done with NFP????

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He told me the he will wait, but that he is ready the moment I am. I think he even would agree that we should keep using NFP for a while longer…he just doesn’t want to anymore.

I sort of feel like he is just deciding that because he gets horny and is not making well thought out decisions.

He says he wants to just do it and stop abstaining, yet he agrees with me that it would probably be best to wait 6-12 months, but then he keeps trying to seduce me.

OK, so it is kind of funny in an embarrassing way…I am just not sure what my moral obligation is to him and I don’t want to jump into another pregnancy. I am still nursing the last one.
I hear so much division between the two of you through your posts.
“He says”… “I think”… over and over…

He really needs to understand where you are right now. You need to have a serious conversation about the EXACT OBSTACLES that are holding you back. How can you work through those obstacles as a TEAM? Can he take on any of the responsibilities that are weighing you down? Why are YOU feeling this anxiety and he is not… is there a poor distribution of the family labor? How can you work through that. Is the nursing baby keeping you up at night? You need to communicate your need for better rest.

No more “he” vs “me”… make it a TEAM effort to work through the obstacles that stand in your way.
 
You are having problems coping/functiing with children while pregnant- you need to space for your sanity ( I totally understand) and he is pushing you- yes, It’s pushing and manipulative to say " I am ready now, but will wait- but the minute you want too…" That’s
saying, hurry up and be ok- that’s wrong when you stated how you are psychologically.

Yes, your peace-of-mind may change, but I suspect it will only change when he stops the manipulation. He needs to get some help, talk to good psychologist about being a father and HUSBAND. I have read your threads many times, and he is the common denominator.

And I will say this- my husband is the most loving man I know, and he bends over backwards to be aware of my feelings an needs.

Oh and I will add- he sounds like he wants the sex, and you want the child…think about it.
 

Most men do have a problem with masturbation before they are married (believe me even religious guys) and marriage is actually a solution. That is why your spouse really does help you to get to heaven. I was told this by a priest as well. So don’t be selfish and let your husband fall into mortal sin. If you get pregnant, just trust in God. ***
Yes, most men do indeed have struggles with self-abuse and illicit materials given the pervasiveness on the Internet. Even religious men. This is absolutely true.

But clearly you are not married. Marriage is not a solution to sexual addiction. Period. Any kind of sexual addiction, I don’t care what it is. If we’re talking about here and there struggles well then that’s one thing. But a pervasive and consistent problem? No. Marriage does not solve it. At all. And in fact it can make the problem worse and then destroy everyone involved in that family.

This is not a situation where a wife is constantly rejecting her husband sexually. You want to see problems? Go read the threads about wives (or husbands for that matter) saying “NO” for years for no medical reason. That’s putting your spouse’s soul in mortal danger. This is just a typical guy wanting to make love with his wife, tossing caution to the wind because he’s cool with it and a loving wife trying to figure out how to most gently say “just wait a little bit, sweetheart.”
 
You are having problems coping/functiing with children while pregnant- you need to space for your sanity ( I totally understand) and he is pushing you- yes, It’s pushing and manipulative to say " I am ready now, but will wait- but the minute you want too…" That’s
saying, hurry up and be ok- that’s wrong when you stated how you are psychologically.

Yes, your peace-of-mind may change, but I suspect it will only change when he stops the manipulation. He needs to get some help, talk to good psychologist about being a father and HUSBAND. I have read your threads many times, and he is the common denominator.
And now I think someone goes too far the other way, though I hope I’m not being presumptuous here as I have not read a bunch of the OPs’ threads. Saying “I’m ready the minute you are” is not necessarily manipulative. If it’s said in a calm manner and ends with a kiss on the forehead then there’s no problem. Don’t assume that a guy who simply loves his wife and wants to express that love physically is being a manipulator. Sometimes when a guy has his mind set on something it’s hard to shake that notion from his head. When it comes to sex that’s even tougher!

But the key is his reaction. Is he resentful when the situation doesn’t go somewhere or does he perhaps let out a tiny sigh, smile and go to sleep? You’ve got to cut us guys some slack sometimes. If the situation leads to resentment and a negative change in attitude on his part then you’ve got a much bigger underlying problem that sex isn’t going to solve. If it doesn’t, then just let a guy be a guy huh?
 
YThis is just a typical guy wanting to make love with his wife, tossing caution to the wind because he’s cool with it and a loving wife trying to figure out how to most gently say “just wait a little bit, sweetheart.”
I agree. It’s about sex and not children. Well, it’s about sex and not a decision to have a lot of children.
 
Tonight my husband had a serious talk with me. We have been using NFP to avoid pregnancy since the birth of our 3rd child (she is now 15 months old).

He says he is done with NFP and will accept another baby whenever God sends one. As much as I loved hearing him say that, I am not ready.

I read somewhere that both husband and wife must be in agreement or they are not allowed to use NFP to avoid. I know he would not push me into having another pregnancy, but I cannot think of a fair and just way to keep abstaining if he really doesn’t want to.

What does the Church ask of me in this situation??? I just don’t feel ready and that leaves me with a lot of anxiety to take on another pregnancy at this time.
If you want to know what the Church asks of you, speak to your priest. Please do not seek views from the Internet on something as serious about having more children.

If you are have communication problems with your husband, which you are if you two are not on the same family size page, seek professional counseling.

Luna
 
Tonight my husband had a serious talk with me. We have been using NFP to avoid pregnancy since the birth of our 3rd child (she is now 15 months old).

He says he is done with NFP and will accept another baby whenever God sends one. As much as I loved hearing him say that, I am not ready.

I read somewhere that both husband and wife must be in agreement or they are not allowed to use NFP to avoid. I know he would not push me into having another pregnancy, but I cannot think of a fair and just way to keep abstaining if he really doesn’t want to.

What does the Church ask of me in this situation??? I just don’t feel ready and that leaves me with a lot of anxiety to take on another pregnancy at this time.
My husband’s attitude is similiar. When we were dating, my husband often confused me about his stance on NFP. Sometimes he’d talk in manners where he felt NFP was immoral and that spacing even for health reasons was unnecessary. When I’d talk it through with him, we always seemed to come out with the idea that we had matching ideas and were just miscommunicating. He felt like I was talking about NFP with a high contraceptive mentality, and I’d feel he was talking about being like the Duggars. He’s never seen the Duggar’s reality TV show, so the reference means nothing to him.

Since we’ve been married, I have found that my husband sees the necessity of NFP, but I am more cautious about getting pregnant than he is. Our differences lie in that I feel its wrong to covet after children and will accept what ever number God gives me. I have no desire for a large or small family. My husband wants a large family. I have an anxiety disorder, and he pins some of my reservations on irrational concerns based purely on baseless anxiety. I often feel his lack of experience with large families and children make him idealistic and a poor judge on when we’re ready.

Meanwhile, I don’t struggle with abstaining from sex, and at times my lack of struggle makes him feel undesired and rejected. I don’t think it helps that when we first married, intercourse was impossible. I lost my desire to have sex during that time and honestly had never experienced a desire for intercourse in my life. I just assumed because I had sexual desires, once I let them free in marriage, the desire would show up. But with the painful experiences and failures with consumating our marriage, the prospect of having to have intercourse would turn me off. I went through therapy like a chore and I’ve always struggled to let go of seeing sex as another chore I have to complete to love my husband. I see the go days, and am like “Ok let’s take advantage of these because sex is important.” He hates it when I dismiss the importance of sex in our marriage. And at times when I’ve convinced him we have serious reason to avoid having another child, he’s gone through periods of being angry with the Church about NFP stating that NFP is more of a rejection than contraceptives.

I would say what unites us and heals these divisions is prayer. You have to learn to stop seeing this as a competition between your will and your spouses will. Both of us have found that praying together as a couple helps us to trust each other, and to unite in our wills. Its helped me to listen to my husband’s legitimate concerns and hurts rather than to feel threatened by them and its done the same for him toward me.

Don’t look at it as the marriage debt trumping your concerns. I don’t think any husband wants to have sex with the wife he loves when she sees it as a chore.
 
I think (but I would check if I were you) the current church says you need to have “serious” reason to abstain either periodically, as with NFP or just plain abstaining. I would talk to a priest to determine whether my reasons met that criteria.

I can empathize, because pregnancy is not my favorite thing. It feels like 9 months of life on hold, not getting anything done! This past one my husband and I talked about how we would get through it. He picked up lots of slack around the house. I traded babysitting with a neighbor and she watched my kids on the days when I was completely out of commission. I also took medication for the nausea, and hired a “mommies helper” so that I could get something done, or just rest a bit.

It was not easy for me to be completely open to life (and I’m not saying that is the case with you, just sharing my personal experience). When my husband and I realized we didn’t have a good reason for abstaining I had to pray for the grace to accept what might come. I used to pray that God wouldn’t “bless” me with too many kids. Looking back, I can’t believe I used to pray like that. My experience though is that if you give your will over completely to God, he makes it easier to accept. What seemed like a cross to bear now seems like an incredible blessing.
 
Postpartnum and during pregnancy some women have a very difficult time, esp. i f you suffer from anxiety. Mental illness is real- and like any other disease. Would you tell a person with a broken leg, to just get up and walk?

The difference is w/ a broken leg the person must do all the healing- you can help, but the body must do its work- with mental illness the spouse can make a huge difference by HELPING. And that is why women often suffer a lot, because men do not want to do the practical things like get the baby in the middle of the night. Not all men, but some.

PS

I have to add- while it’s great to talk to a sound, informed priest- they can be hard to find,likewise for a psychologist. I would shop around for both.
 
My husband’s attitude is similiar. When we were dating, my husband often confused me about his stance on NFP. Sometimes he’d talk in manners where he felt NFP was immoral and that spacing even for health reasons was unnecessary. When I’d talk it through with him, we always seemed to come out with the idea that we had matching ideas and were just miscommunicating. He felt like I was talking about NFP with a high contraceptive mentality, and I’d feel he was talking about being like the Duggars. He’s never seen the Duggar’s reality TV show, so the reference means nothing to him.

Since we’ve been married, I have found that my husband sees the necessity of NFP, but I am more cautious about getting pregnant than he is. Our differences lie in that I feel its wrong to covet after children and will accept what ever number God gives me. I have no desire for a large or small family. My husband wants a large family. I have an anxiety disorder, and he pins some of my reservations on irrational concerns based purely on baseless anxiety. I often feel his lack of experience with large families and children make him idealistic and a poor judge on when we’re ready.

Meanwhile, I don’t struggle with abstaining from sex, and at times my lack of struggle makes him feel undesired and rejected. I don’t think it helps that when we first married, intercourse was impossible. I lost my desire to have sex during that time and honestly had never experienced a desire for intercourse in my life. I just assumed because I had sexual desires, once I let them free in marriage, the desire would show up. But with the painful experiences and failures with consumating our marriage, the prospect of having to have intercourse would turn me off. I went through therapy like a chore and I’ve always struggled to let go of seeing sex as another chore I have to complete to love my husband. I see the go days, and am like “Ok let’s take advantage of these because sex is important.” He hates it when I dismiss the importance of sex in our marriage. And at times when I’ve convinced him we have serious reason to avoid having another child, he’s gone through periods of being angry with the Church about NFP stating that NFP is more of a rejection than contraceptives.

I would say what unites us and heals these divisions is prayer. You have to learn to stop seeing this as a competition between your will and your spouses will. Both of us have found that praying together as a couple helps us to trust each other, and to unite in our wills. Its helped me to listen to my husband’s legitimate concerns and hurts rather than to feel threatened by them and its done the same for him toward me.

Don’t look at it as the marriage debt trumping your concerns. I don’t think any husband wants to have sex with the wife he loves when she sees it as a chore.
Sorry to ask: to you have a problem accepting pleasure? Or do you see a conflict between pleasure and duty? You do not have any pleasure in intercourse.

If you do not feel like, do not answer the questions. These were intended for me to understand your post and give you my feedback later.
 
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