Don't Confuse Me With The Facts!

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If they do come up with a reference, i.e. title, author and page number,
O.K. this is were it gets good. What did he reference you?

Title, author, and page number of what?
If it’s a book from John Hagee that doesn’t count.
Ask for his source.
Also if he does give you a reference like this look it up and determine if it’s credible or not. If the source is Protestant it is not credible.

If, and only if, they can cite you a credible, varifiable source supporting their claim should you even worry about citing a counter source.

Verify theirs first. It is up to them to provide evidence.
 
…in 1229 The Council of bishops/Toulouse decreed that only members of clergy may own a Bible.
Carl keating explains this: in Karl Keating’s Catholicism And Fundamentalism: The Attack on “Romanism” by “Bible Christians” (Ignatius Press, 1988), p. 45-46, it says:
In order to promulgate their views, the Albigensians used vernacular versions of the Bible to “substantiate” their theories. The Church had no complaint about mere translations of the Bible; vernacular versions had been appearing for centuries. But the Albigensians were twisting the Bible to support an immoral moral system [which promoted fornication and suicide]. So the bishops at Toulouse restricted the use of the Bible until the heresy was ended. They were trying to stop the heresy’s spread because it was the cause of civil unrest and considerable suffering. Their action was a local one, and when the Albigensian problem disappeared, so did the force of their order, which never affected more than southern France. This is hardly the across-the-board prohibition of the Bible
And The Council of Trent (1545-1564) placed the Bible on its list of “prohibited books” for people
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Only the Protestant version’s were forbiden
 
That is why I asked for specific books and or articles that I could reference to counter their claims. Making statements without something to backup them up is just blowing hot air. So far the reply to this thread, although well meaning, have not given me the help I need. Maybe someone out there can point me in the right direction to the reference I am looking for.
GO look at the tracts on this website. The apologists at Catholic answers have more then addressed this issue. But as you know they will probably not accept this source as reliable.

My point to you is you need to make sure their source is reliable and not from anti-Catholic and or Protestant sources. Which, I guarentee they are.

Are they quoting Encyclodedia Britanica? or World book? or NY Times?

No!

I mean it sounds like you want a Page out of Britanica that say " The Catholic church did not ban the bible". I doubt it does say that because history isn’t about what didn’t happen.
Therefore they need to give a page from Britanica that says it did. And they can’t
 
Just to clarify, Luther’s translation included all 73 books typically found in a western Bible,
Plus the Prayer of Manasseh . In a western sense, he left nothing
out.

Jon
Did he say that all 73 books were scripture? NO. He moved at least 7 of those books to the back and called them Apocrypha. Therefore his version of the bible would be considered in error by the church.

Also I think it’s a stretch to say he didn’t remove those books from the list of scripture.
 
Carl keating explains this: in Karl Keating’s Catholicism And Fundamentalism: The Attack on “Romanism” by “Bible Christians” (Ignatius Press, 1988), p. 45-46, it says:
In order to promulgate their views, the Albigensians used vernacular versions of the Bible to “substantiate” their theories. The Church had no complaint about mere translations of the Bible; vernacular versions had been appearing for centuries. But the Albigensians were twisting the Bible to support an immoral moral system [which promoted fornication and suicide]. So the bishops at Toulouse restricted the use of the Bible until the heresy was ended. They were trying to stop the heresy’s spread because it was the cause of civil unrest and considerable suffering. Their action was a local one, and when the Albigensian problem disappeared, so did the force of their order, which never affected more than southern France. This is hardly the across-the-board prohibition of the Bible

Only the Protestant version’s were forbiden
Exactly.

Unfortunately, as Daddy’s Girl’s post proved, even an intelligent and reasonable person might, in a ‘search’ on the topic, come up with truncated ‘info-bytes’ which appear to support an incorrect position. What was ‘said’ (which she quoted) was true so far as it went. . .but it only WENT a very short distance, and did not CONTINUE with the REMAINDER of what was actually said and done.

It would be like somebody reading that Henry VIII was married to Anne Boleyn. That is of course absolutely true in that Henry did undergo a ceremony of marriage with Anne.

BUT if that sentence alone is represented as being the sum total, it would be totally INCORRECT. For Henry was married before (to Catherine of Aragon), was in fact legally married to her still when he ‘married’ Anne, and he went on to send Anne to the block and to have four more wives.

So the people who parrot the “Council of such and such” and the “Bible was placed on the forbidden index” are presenting incomplete and often distorted ‘facts’ as being ‘all that was said/done’ when in fact, that was NOT so. If the people are aware of the true facts, it’s then outright lying to present the other things as ‘true’. If they aren’t aware, then at the least when made aware they should ‘check it out’.

We all have our pet beliefs, things which are a beloved and cherished item for us, which we often later find aren’t exactly as they were presented to us. . .but if we insist on keeping our “Parson Weems versions” because they appeal to us, or we learned them as youngsters, etc., then we aren’t really interested in truth, we’re more interested in FICTION.
 
I received my sacrements of initiation only a year ago, and I prefer to avoid an academic debate – especially with somebody who asks for proof without providing any supporting his argument. Having said that, I ask the following:

Do you really believe in Sola Scriptura? If so, how do you explain the Protestant dismissing books in the Bible? How did somebody determine that they were not written by the Holy Spirit like the rest of them?

Why do we do two or three readings from The Bible every day – not just on Sundays.
Why would my parish provide every catachumen with a missal, the Catechism , a Bible, and a document describing how to read all three of them in 365 days.
Why are catachumens dismissed from Mass to Break open The Word?
Why are they dismissed after the readings and homily?

Good luck with pointing out contradictions. I find it an easier way to point out the areas of perceived difference while opening the door for intelligent discourse.

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