"Don't follow the Commandments"

[Jimmy_B]

**"Don’t Follow the Commandments”

“Don’t Follow the Commandments”; “Don’t get married”; Don’t go to Church", "Don’t baptize your children and so on and so on…

If you believe that you are “Saved by Grace Alone” then none of the above applies to you…right?

This is especially true for those who are “Once Saved Always Saved” (OSAS)…right?

Your Thoughts?**

 

[reteeks21]

"Don’t Follow the Commandments”

“Don’t Follow the Commandments”; “Don’t get married”; Don’t go to Church", "Don’t baptize your children and so on and so on…

If you believe that you are “Saved by Grace Alone” then none of the above applies to you…right?

This is especially true for those who are “Once Saved Always Saved” (OSAS)…right?

Your Thoughts?

What? Where do you get the notion that we don’t believe in these things? Do you pull this out of thin air? Are you trying to find a way to make protestants look bad as usual? It’s insulting to insinuate that we who believe in grace alone think we do not have a responsibilty to follow God’s commandments. Do you not care that you make up things that are out-right lies? These are generalizations meant to do nothing but cause arguements.

 

[Auriel]

What? Where do you get the notion that we don’t believe in these things? Do you pull this out of thin air? Are you trying to find a way to make protestants look bad as usual? It’s insulting to insinuate that we who believe in grace alone think we do not have a responsibilty to follow God’s commandments. Do you not care that you make up things that are out-right lies? These are generalizations meant to do nothing but cause arguements.

Hummmmm, I do not get that one either. Is that a stereotype?

I do have friends that are more legalistic than most who are OSAS, and trust me, they follow lots of rules.

And OSAS friends who are not legalist and follow the ten Commandments. I thought those were pretty much a given in Christianity no matter the type.

 

[reteeks21]

Hummmmm, I do not get that one either. Is that a stereotype?

I do have friends that are more legalistic than most who are OSAS, and trust me, they follow lots of rules.

It is a stereotype which most of us would agree leads to segregation among people. Jimmy is real good at starting threads that make assertions like this. All they generally do is end up causing friction rather than open and civil debate. What if you and I said “all Catholics worhsip Mary and not Jesus? What if you and I said all catholics think that they have to earn heaven?” They would be outraged. I, for one, do not think those things and that’s why I do not say them. I guess that fella was right when said (I’m paraphrasing here), “out of the mouth come the things in the heart.”

 

[Rightlydivide]

Your Thoughts?

That there are three of you that think they are being controversial or witty with your titles of threads and topics…and I think you are not.
Thanks for asking.

 

[spoiltvictorian]

"Don’t Follow the Commandments”

“Don’t Follow the Commandments”; “Don’t get married”; Don’t go to Church", "Don’t baptize your children and so on and so on…

If you believe that you are “Saved by Grace Alone” then none of the above applies to you…right?

This is especially true for those who are “Once Saved Always Saved” (OSAS)…right?

Your Thoughts?

All Calvinists believe in salvation by Grace alone, but for a particular Calvinist believes he is saved if he is doing good works. The good works are the evidence that prove he is elect. That is why they are so prone to despair…how do they know their good works are enough spiritual fruits to prove they are truly saved? And so they go on and on and we end up with Prohibition.

By the way, today is the 75th anniversary of the repeal of Prohibition, a victory of Christian liberty!

 

[reteeks21]

That there are three of you that think they are being controversial or witty with your titles of threads and topics…and I think you are not.
Thanks for asking.

If that’s the case, can you tell me what the purpose of the thread is? It doesn’t seem to make much sense.

 

[khutcheson]

"Don’t Follow the Commandments”

“Don’t Follow the Commandments”; “Don’t get married”; Don’t go to Church", "Don’t baptize your children and so on and so on…

If you believe that you are “Saved by Grace Alone” then none of the above applies to you…right?

This is especially true for those who are “Once Saved Always Saved” (OSAS)…right?

Your Thoughts?

Jimmy, I’ve missed your posts and the strawmen you just can’t help positing.

I’ve been a Protestant for 49 years, grew up in the Church affiliated with Wheaton College, and have NEVER heard anyone (other than you trying to bait us) make the claims (or assumptions) you make above.

Most of us try HARD to obey God’s word (and that includes the commandments)

A lot of us get married

A lot of us go to Church

A lot of us are baptized…

What do you think your post accomplishes?

 

[Rightlydivide]

If that’s the case, can you tell me what the purpose of the thread is? It doesn’t seem to make much sense.

Because these kind of threads traditionally get a lot of hits and responses. Their behavior has been reinforced time and time again; I have reinforced it by responding. We fall for it. If the ones that have been around do not, then a newbie shows up and does.

 

[reteeks21]

Jimmy, I’ve missed your posts and the strawmen you just can’t help positing.

I’ve been a Protestant for 49 years, grew up in the Church affiliated with Wheaton College, and have NEVER heard anyone (other than you trying to bait us) make the claims (or assumptions) you make above.

Most of us try HARD to obey God’s word (and that includes the commandments)

A lot of us get married

A lot of us go to Church

A lot of us are baptized…

***What do you think your post accomplishes?/***QUOTE]

Other than foolish arguements and division? Nothing.

 

[khutcheson]

Jimmy, I’ve missed your posts and the strawmen you just can’t help positing.

I’ve been a Protestant for 49 years, grew up in the Church affiliated with Wheaton College (a rather mainstream evangelical institution) and have NEVER heard anyone (other than you trying to bait us) make the claims (or assumptions) you make above.

Most of us try HARD to obey God’s word (and that includes the commandments)

A lot of us get married

A lot of us go to Church

A lot of us are baptized…

What do you think your post accomplishes?

 

[beckycmarie]

"Don’t Follow the Commandments”

“Don’t Follow the Commandments”; “Don’t get married”; Don’t go to Church", "Don’t baptize your children and so on and so on…

If you believe that you are “Saved by Grace Alone” then none of the above applies to you…right?

This is especially true for those who are “Once Saved Always Saved” (OSAS)…right?

Your Thoughts?

If this is an attempt to convert our separated Christian brothers, then you’ve repelled them instead with your uncharitable post.

If the intent is to insult and belittle with a sensational post, then you’ve achieved that.

I am reminded of an article I read recently on Muslims who converted to Christianity in countries where you can pay with your life for doing so. Across the board they said it was love, not arguments that converted them.

 

[Jimmy_B]

Jimmy, I’ve missed your posts and the strawmen you just can’t help positing.

I’ve been a Protestant for 49 years, grew up in the Church affiliated with Wheaton College, and have NEVER heard anyone (other than you trying to bait us) make the claims (or assumptions) you make above.

Most of us try HARD to obey God’s word (and that includes the commandments)

A lot of us get married

A lot of us go to Church

A lot of us are baptized…

What do you think your post accomplishes?

Hello khutcheson,

I know that and my question is why?

If one has a belief that we are all “saved” be grace alone, then what is the purpose or need for these additional works?

Does that mean that the Catholic Church is right?

Most of us Catholics try HARD to obey God’s word (and that includes the commandments)

WE get married

WE go to Church

WE are all baptized…

I have, for many years now, heard protestant non-Catholic Christians criticize the Roman Catholic Church, because, “They say good works get you into heaven and that’s wrong, we are saved by grace alone”.

There are some "Christians out there, who don’t even know that Roman Catholics are Christians.

Well, Marriage, Baptism and so on, are all acts, they are religious acts, and they are religious acts of good works, because they are all pleasing to God…

Therefore, my question is -

If you are “Once Saved Always Saved”, or “Born-Again”, or “Saved by Grace Alone”…Then why is it necessary to do these other “man-made” rituals required by the “Church”.

What I am actually attempting to show, is that, Roman Catholic Christians and non-Catholic Christians have much more in common than not.

Most of our disagreements are based on semantics.

Thank you for your post.

Your Thoughts?

 

[O.S.Luke]

By the way, today is the 75th anniversary of the repeal of Prohibition, a victory of Christian liberty!

I’ll drink to that.

 

[O.S.Luke]

What I am actually attempting to show, is that, Roman Catholic Christians and non-Catholic Christians have much more in common than not.

Most of our disagreements are based on semantics.

Thank you for your post.

Your Thoughts?
I think if you’re trying to show commonality, you aren’t doing a very good job of it by erecting a Strawman.

Jimmy, whether you realize it or not, your tactics are like tripping an elderly woman to teach her not to fall.

 

[Crazy_Diamond]

"Don’t Follow the Commandments”

“Don’t Follow the Commandments”; “Don’t get married”; Don’t go to Church", "Don’t baptize your children and so on and so on…

If you believe that you are “Saved by Grace Alone” then none of the above applies to you…right?

This is especially true for those who are “Once Saved Always Saved” (OSAS)…right?

Your Thoughts?

I suppose one could come up with a bizarre scenario involving a deathbed conversion or complete absence of any Christian mentoring immediately following a conversion that might in some way qualify for whatever it is you’re getting at…

Most Protestants view obedience to Christ’s commands in two ways. First, as a response of love. Second, as a practical reality. (Fear of punishment or loss of salvation would be only a distant, distant third.)

The response of love is pretty obvious. “If you love me you will obey my commands.”

The practical response is something more like this. God has made me like a really souped-up sports car, designed for extremely high speeds on a well-engineered race track. He’s told me not to try to go fourwheeling in the mud. It looks like a lot of fun, and I am a car like those jeeps cavorting around, but… I wasn’t designed for fourwheeling. I’d injure myself and not have the same speed as before. I wouldn’t live up to what I was meant to be.

 

[SyCarl]

If one has a belief that we are all “saved” be grace alone, then what is the purpose or need for these additional works?

Isn’t it enough to do things because we love God and want to please Him? It isn’t necessary to get something in return for doing what God wants.

 

[Jimmy_B]

I think if you’re trying to show commonality, you aren’t doing a very good job of it by erecting a Strawman.

Jimmy, whether you realize it or not, your tactics are like tripping an elderly woman to teach her not to fall.

Hello O.S. Luke,

“Strawman” must be your favorite word now, you have used it several times, in various posts to describe me…Interesting that, as a Protestant, you would use that term to describe me, a Roman Catholic, when we both know that Martin Luther called the Book of James, the “Book of Straw” and he did not want to include it into the Protestant KJV Bible…Apparently, he thought it was “too Catholic” for the Bible…a CATHOLIC BOOK!.

Are you attempting to compare me to Saint James? If so, thank you.

You’re funny.

 

[JonNC]

"Don’t Follow the Commandments”

“Don’t Follow the Commandments”; “Don’t get married”; Don’t go to Church", "Don’t baptize your children and so on and so on…

If you believe that you are “Saved by Grace Alone” then none of the above applies to you…right?

This is especially true for those who are “Once Saved Always Saved” (OSAS)…right?

Your Thoughts?

Jimmy,
I thought that Grace Alone was a sola that Catholics do abide. As it says here in the Joint Declaration of the Doctrine of Justification.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/documents/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_31101999_cath-luth-joint-declaration_en.html

1. The Common Understanding of Justification

14.The Lutheran churches and the Roman Catholic Church have together listened to the good news proclaimed in Holy Scripture. This common listening, together with the theological conversations of recent years, has led to a shared understanding of justification. This encompasses a consensus in the basic truths; the differing explications in particular statements are compatible with it.

15.In faith we together hold the conviction that justification is the work of the triune God. The Father sent his Son into the world to save sinners. The foundation and presupposition of justification is the incarnation, death, and resurrection of Christ. Justification thus means that Christ himself is our righteousness, in which we share through the Holy Spirit in accord with the will of the Father.** Together we confess: By grace alone**, in faith in Christ’s saving work and not because of any merit on our part, we are accepted by God and receive the Holy Spirit, who renews our hearts while equipping and calling us to good works

.[11]

Did you mean Faith Aone?

Jon

 

[guanophore]

I suppose one could come up with a bizarre scenario involving a deathbed conversion or complete absence of any Christian mentoring immediately following a conversion that might in some way qualify for whatever it is you’re getting at…

Actually, this is not so bizarre. In the olden days, people would wait till the last minute to get baptized, so that they could meet their maker in a state of purity. It is very risky!