Don't Support Devilish Music(Rock Music)!!!

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That gives me a thought. If rock music is evil, what about the ballads (such as Nightwish’s excellent The Islander)? There is no driving beat (though there is some percussion). No bass. It’s mainly acoustic guitar and some other orchestral pieces. Or how about Kamelot’s excellent Don’t You Cry (or, if you prefer, the French version Ne Pleure Pas :p). That one has no drums whatsoever. It’s all acoustic guitar and violin.

Are these songs rendered evil because the bands that play them also play rock/metal? Or could they maybe, maybe, have some redeeming value? I would really like to hear what the “rock-is-evil” camp thinks about such instances. Amidst all the generalizations, I guess I’d like to hear some (name removed by moderator)ut on a few specific examples. If either of these two songs is evil, what specifically about them makes them evil?
 
Are you joking here? The Eagles have so much respect in the music community and from classic rock fans? They’re a pillar of classic rock and sell out in minutes when they announce a concert. They put out an album here and there and it sells like hot cakes. They have so many grammys and awesome albums and hit songs. Cheesy listening? Next I’m sure you’ll tell me the Beatles were inconsequential LOL…The Eagles, cheesy? Give me a break? Arena rock is totally NOT the Eagles either. Hello? That’s Def Leppard and Kiss and Judas Priest for God’s sake LOL…Your post has left me perplexed??? LOL 🤷
You have to know some history of music in order to make the connection. I covered this before but here it is again, with more detail.

Rock and roll was formed from primarily country and jump blues and it existed before white people stole the title but it didn’t become mainstream until “The Blackboard Jungle” opened up with Bill Haley’s “Rock Around the Clock.” For almost four years, there was a flurry of activity in music, country acts going either R&R or rockabilly (Roy Orbison, Conway Twitty, and Carl Perkins to name a few) and white kids getting into ‘race’ music.

And then 1958 happened, a converging of forces that killed R&R. There was suddenly a power vacuum in music because Elvis got drafted, Chuck Berry was in legal hot water for molesting a 14 year old girl, Jerry Lee Lewis was vilified for marrying his 13 year old cousin, Myra, Little Richard left music to join the seminary, and Bill Haley and Gene Vincent were drinking themselves to death. Buddy Holly, while a good songwriter, doesn’t really count because he was essentially R&R lite; just like your regular music but with two thirds less swagger and menace.

In steps Dick Clark, who, with an interest in the Jamie-Guyden Distributing Corporation, influenced who got signed and what records were released with the goal of spinning them on his heinous American Bandstand. Clark’s entire goal in life was to make money and he didn’t care how. When the payola investigations started to heat up, he sold his interests back to the company and denied involvement but the damage was already done.

Garbage like the fabricated and soulless teen idols Paul Anka, Fabian, and Frankie Avalon, the brain dead precursors of equally brain dead Justin Bieber and the like, became the norm and R&R was on the fast decline.

Novelty acts and equally greedy clowns like the Big Bopper exploited the genre for all it was worth with their own brand of tripe. Meanwhile, Motown and girl groups began to rise, as did early surf and that God-awful beach music.

As we all know, the Beatles arrived in 1964, bringing nothing new to the table with them. They were a plastic cover band who didn’t do anything original until they got into drugs. It was their looks and novelty factor and not so much their music that propelled them to stardom. They set off a wave of copy-cats and were the first part of the first British invasion.

Inconsequential? No, they were very influencial but they weren’t much more than a bar band with bad haircuts

The hippy movement made a further mockery out of what’s been labelled as ‘rock and roll,’ until the end of the 1960s when a hangover seemed to set in, producing much more mellow and far less interesting music until punk finally called it all what it was: garbage. The music (it can be argued that it was a reflection of society and not the cause) helped in breaking down the social mores’ and values that America once had, leaving us with a lack of respect (for authority, for God, for each other) and the seeds of a crippling political correctness.

Punk rock, while largely lacking in talent, had far more in common with 1950s R&R than did anything given airplay in the 13 years hence. It stripped down the essence of what had been erroneously called rock and opened a lot of doors for a lot of future acts, burning itself out in the process because it was so narrow in scope that it couldn’t evolve (much like rap now).

I use the term ‘arena rock’ as a slur for everything that attracts large crowds, being it the Eagles or Def Leppard. You’re implying that if someone sells out a show quickly, it means that they’re great. I say that it means we have low standards for what we call ‘good’ music (a somewhat subjective term). I’ve never been to an area show for anything in my life and never will. I don’t judge a band’s talent by how many awards or gold records they have. The more popular a band is, the less likely I am to listen to them.

That said, the Eagles have more in common with country music than with rock and roll.

By your standards, perhaps I should stop shaving and buying toilet paper because with over a billion adherents, Islam must be right.

Unfortunately, “rock and roll,” an old euphemism for sex, has been hijacked and applied to everything that doesn’t fall into another catagory.

How sad.
 
Were you aware that the band Led Zeppelin show at least an occultic influence?

On the inside cover of their album ‘House of the Holy’ is a picture of a naked man holding up a child in sacrifice to a mysterious light on the top of a ruined building. The cover of ‘Presence’ shows a strange object which guitarist Jimmy Page says symbolizes the force that enables the band to have such power over audiences, a power known only as a ‘presence’.

Moreover, Mr. Page once bought a house that had belonged to the infamous British spiritualist, murderer and sexual deviant Aleister Crowley (who renamed himself ‘The Beast 666’).

How can any Christian worth their salt degrade and befoul themselves by listening to and supporting bands whose belief systems they would, or should, find revolting and deeply disturbing?
It’s curious how you picked Led Zepplin to rail against with its thinly veiled implications instead of the bands who didn’t hide behind symbolism and such silliness.
 
It’s curious how you picked Led Zepplin to rail against with its thinly veiled implications instead of the bands who didn’t hide behind symbolism and such silliness.
So you like Zeppelin? Or you think they are a gimmick band?

Zeppelin is far better than the Rolling Stones…The Who and the Doors have to be a good second and third behind Zeppelin. Roger Daltrey rocks, and Jim Morrison…was very creative.

Aerosmith’s Toys in the Attic was the best IMHO. ZZTop Tres Hombres was fantastic!

I lived through that era and the music was great.

Loved Uriah Heep, Magicians Birthday and Demons and Wizards, the latter had an album cover that was art.

However, Yes had the best album covers. Now we get CD covers…less imagination…these days.

ELO’s Face the Music…great music…Boston’s first cover…guitar spaceships…excellent…songs even better.

Who could forget Frampton Comes Alive…now that is arena rock…much like Bon Jovi…and John is still making excellent music…

U2…lots of message music…hardly in the “devilish” catagory. I used alot of U2 music in my CCD classes back in the day.
 
So you like Zeppelin? Or you think they are a gimmick band?
They were innovative for their time but are fairly antiquated now. They were, along with Black Sabbath, probably the two most influencial bands for hard music to follow.

A ‘gimmick band’ is something like Slipnut, a faux-death metal band that, in realizing its mediocrity, decided to use Halloween masks as part of its schtick. Gwar is similar, but takes itself much less seriously.
 
It’s quite funny to hear arena rock grouped under the rock umbrella and so the ‘devils music’…because most actual ‘rock’ fans, and I mean into the hard stuff, would probably resent arena rock even being associated with hard rock or metal 😉 LOL
 
Yes, we laughed at them back then. My friends and I had long hair, but it was just that and never styled. Other than Lollapolooza '92 (to see Ministry), I’ve never been to anything but small venues for shows.
 
I think one of my classic favourites is Alice Cooper. Some plays and actors lack the stage craft and theatre that man can create! He had a cracking quote in an interview too, I can’t remember it exactly, but it was basically ‘there’s so many Peter Pans of the music world, and it just seemed obvious to me that there needed to be a Captain Hook.’ It just shows how much make believe he sees in it all. He’s not Alice. When he speaks, he even refers to the stage persona as ‘Alice’ rather than ‘I’.
 
Yes, we laughed at them back then. My friends and I had long hair, but it was just that and never styled. Other than Lollapolooza '92 (to see Ministry), I’ve never been to anything but small venues for shows.
Ministry. Eating Puppies and “God’s Gift Maggots!!!”

Oh yes, Nazi rock. Just the sort of thing to have at the next Bible Study
 
Ministry. Eating Puppies and “God’s Gift Maggots!!!”

Oh yes, Nazi rock. Just the sort of thing to have at the next Bible Study
Umm, “Nazi rock?” It looks like I’m not the only one who has no idea wat you’re talking about.
 
They had a song that essentially went “sieg Heil!” Over and over again.
Essentially? Did it or didn’t it? And which song was it?

Since you don’t know, when I saw them in Denver in 1993 at the Mammoth Theater (RIP), they railed against both Amendment 2 and the skinheads that were in the audience.

Had you said something about Agnostic Front or Skrewdriver, I’d agree with you but Ministry has never been known to be racist at any time I’m aware of.
 
I use the term ‘arena rock’ as a slur for everything that attracts large crowds, being it the Eagles or Def Leppard. You’re implying that if someone sells out a show quickly, it means that they’re great. I say that it means we have low standards for what we call ‘good’ music (a somewhat subjective term). I’ve never been to an area show for anything in my life and never will. I don’t judge a band’s talent by how many awards or gold records they have. The more popular a band is, the less likely I am to listen to them.
Reading your insight, I have to say I really feel very guilty about my choice of music… but not in a moral sense. It’s more likely a guilt for my sense of taste cuz I know you’d definitely hate the tunes I listen to. >_>;;

Then again, it kinda proves my belief about music being subjective, that “rock music” is nigh impossible to definet, and all that kills any inherent quality that determines if its either demonic or not.

I have to agree that the culture that surrounds the mainstream music industry nowadays is pretty stupid though. 😛
 
I think one of my classic favourites is Alice Cooper. Some plays and actors lack the stage craft and theatre that man can create! He had a cracking quote in an interview too, I can’t remember it exactly, but it was basically ‘there’s so many Peter Pans of the music world, and it just seemed obvious to me that there needed to be a Captain Hook.’ It just shows how much make believe he sees in it all. He’s not Alice. When he speaks, he even refers to the stage persona as ‘Alice’ rather than ‘I’.
Dear Michael,

Cordial greetings again and trust that you had an enjoyable and restful weekend.

Were you aware of the fact that Alice Cooper’s song, ‘Muscle of love’ extol’s the pleasures of auto-eroticism, whilst ‘Welcome to my Nightmare’ was staged by him simulating copulation with a corpse? This is clearly disgusting and ought to arouse the aversion of all God-fearing Christian people. Moreover, his number one hit, ‘School’s Out’, came wrapped in disposable ladies panties - an affront to decency by anyone’s standards of propriety.

It is freely admited that Vincent Furier is renowned for his shock effect stage performances, such as beheadings, hangings and surrealistic nightmare sequences, and that his showbiz persona of Alice Cooper is not synonymous with Vincent Furier. Indeed, according to numerous interviews the chap plays golf, softball, watches television and goes about his business much like any other normal fellow. His life would appear to be quite drab compared to the one that he projects in the spotlight.

However, whilst acknowledging all this, does this decadent stage image, itself the product of a crass commercialism, render it any less objectionable and repulsive, or diminish its very unsavoury moral impact upon the audience or listeners? In the final analysis it is still a pointedly offensive and vulgar image and as such is abhorrent and therefore likely to corrupt public morals. This sort of vulgarity can only poison the mind and demoralize the life; as St. Paul said, citing the heathen poet Menander, “Do not be deceived: ‘Bad company ruins good morals’” (I Cor. 15: 33).

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait
 
Here’s a song:

Chance by Savatage

The song “is about Chiune Sugihara, a Japanese diplomat in Lithuania during World War II who defied government orders by signing exit visas for thousands of Jewish refugees” (Wikipedia).

Can someone point out to me the specific elements of this song that make it satanic?

In light of songs like this, I find it extremely difficult to take most of these anti-rock arguments seriously. Where is the “driving beat” that “incites the passions” (specifically the sexual passions)? I have trouble imagining how anyone would listen to this song while reading the lyrics and come away thinking only base thoughts that lead them into sin.

If anyone feels inclined to dissect the song to point out the irredeemable and intrinsically evil elements, I’m open to hearing such a perspective. Of course, it would require “putting your soul at risk” by actually listening to the song. 😉
 
Dear (name removed by moderator),

Cordial greetings,

Allow me to comment on some of the rock artists and bands you have cited in your list above.

Areosmith - Their album ‘Get your Wings’ has on the cover the Winged Globe, an occultic symbol made up of a solar disc, the wings of a sparrow hawk, ram’s horns and serpents and indicating the omnipresence of the sun god.

David Krebs, manager of Areosmith said, “When your’e in a certain frame of mind, particularly sexually-orientated, there’s nothing better than rock ‘n’ roll, because* that’s where most of the performers are at” * (emphasis mine).

Jimi Hendrix - Prior to his death Hendrix was heavily involved in the demonic supernatural. He wore a medicine shirt from a Hopi reservation and claimed that he had come from an asteroid belt off the coast of Mars. Moreover, he further claimed to have seen UFO’s filling the skies above the Woodstock rock festival (perhaps this was just the LSD talking). Hindu gods were featured on the cover of the allbum ‘Axis: Bold as love’ (1967) and he freely admitted that he had visions and communed with spirits.

Hendrix is widely known and associated with psychedelic drugs, chiefly LSD but he was also a user of cannabis and amphetemine. Moreover, he was also notorious among friends and bandmates for sometimes becoming angy and violent when he imbibed excess alcohol.

Bob Dylan - In ‘Rainy Day Woman’ he advocated ‘getting stoned’ and his song ‘Mr. Tambourine Man’ has been refered to ‘the best of the drugs songs’.

The negative effects of listening to vile rock music may very well be slow in coming and they may be scarcely imperceptible at first but I am, nonetheless, convinced that they will appear in due course. Moreover, these unhappy effects upon the spiritual life are only intensified when this undeniably disordered music is coupled with unwholesome lyrics that basicly provide one with a thorough catechesis in worldly thinking. Does not St. James in his Epistle exhort us to keep ourselves “unstained from the world” (1: 27). There must be a perpetual striving after holiness and so one can well do without the distracting and demoralizing influence of unsavoury and worldly rock music; one must keep oneself pure by continual remembrance of the demands of our all-holy God. The lambs that were offered under the Old Testament sacrificial system had to be without blemish: likewise the Christian must keep himself “unstained from the world” that he also may offer himself a holy and living sacrifice acceptable to God (cf. Rom. 12: 1-2).

My dear friend, rock music is the hallmark of the Norvus Ordo whilst classical music and chant are hallmarks of traditional Catholicism. BTW Norvus Ordo is not just a Mass, it is very much a mindset also. Thus our lot is cast in a world in which the Norvus Ordo is “at home” and very comfortable. Now surely our objective is to “turn the world upside down” (or, in this case, right side up) so that the Norvus Ordo is exposed for what it is, namely a shallow ‘Catholicism Lite’. To do this effectively means, among many other things, abstaining from Norvus Ordo accessories, so to speak, such as rock music; rock is very much at home in the Norvus Ordo, because the Norvus Ordo is very much at home in the world of rock.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait
 
Dear Michael,

Cordial greetings again and trust that you had an enjoyable and restful weekend.

Were you aware of the fact that Alice Cooper’s song, ‘Muscle of love’ extol’s the pleasures of auto-eroticism, whilst ‘Welcome to my Nightmare’ was staged by him simulating copulation with a corpse? This is clearly disgusting and ought to arouse the aversion of all God-fearing Christian people. Moreover, his number one hit, ‘School’s Out’, came wrapped in disposable ladies panties - an affront to decency by anyone’s standards of propriety.

It is freely admited that Vincent Furier is renowned for his shock effect stage performances, such as beheadings, hangings and surrealistic nightmare sequences, and that his showbiz persona of Alice Cooper is not synonymous with Vincent Furier. Indeed, according to numerous interviews the chap plays golf, softball, watches television and goes about his business much like any other normal fellow. His life would appear to be quite drab compared to the one that he projects in the spotlight.

However, whilst acknowledging all this, does this decadent stage image, itself the product of a crass commercialism, render it any less objectionable and repulsive, or diminish its very unsavoury moral impact upon the audience or listeners? In the final analysis it is still a pointedly offensive and vulgar image and as such is abhorrent and therefore likely to corrupt public morals. This sort of vulgarity can only poison the mind and demoralize the life; as St. Paul said, citing the heathen poet Menander, “Do not be deceived: ‘Bad company ruins good morals’” (I Cor. 15: 33).

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait
I’ve already said this earlier in the thread, but I’ll say it again, because it seems to tie in with this.

In the case of Alice Cooper, Vincent has said a number of times that the theme of his music is actually that evil is slain. He says that the evil in the songs always has to be defeated, and that’s the main element of his songs and stage performances.

Earlier in this thread also, it was pretty much said that rock music was bad because of the evil people who create it (I can’t remember which post now…this thread is way too long to go back and find it! LOL) and this is an example of where this isn’t the case, because he sees himself basically as an actor.

So if it’s now being said that the musician can actually be a nice guy (and a Christian in Vincent’s case), but if the play acting on stage is ‘bad’ then it’s still evil…doesn’t that actually apply to every single art form? And then, if that is the case, doesn’t that defeat the point of art?
 
Jimi Hendrix - Prior to his death Hendrix was heavily involved in the demonic supernatural. He wore a medicine shirt from a Hopi reservation and claimed that he had come from an asteroid belt off the coast of Mars. Moreover, he further claimed to have seen UFO’s filling the skies above the Woodstock rock festival (perhaps this was just the LSD talking). Hindu gods were featured on the cover of the allbum ‘Axis: Bold as love’ (1967) and he freely admitted that he had visions and communed with spirits.

Hendrix is widely known and associated with psychedelic drugs, chiefly LSD but he was also a user of cannabis and amphetemine. Moreover, he was also notorious among friends and bandmates for sometimes becoming angy and violent when he imbibed excess alcohol.Portrait
I have to laugh at this one since you’re trying to condemn Hendrix (whom I do like, one of the two or three greatest left-handed guitarists of all time) with Biblical verses, citing his use of ‘cannibis,’ as if it that’s the worst thing in the world. I’m not a pot head and haven’t been for well over a decade but doesn’t Genesis 1:12 or so say that God gave us all of the seed bearing plants and herbs to use?

And since he claimed to have seen this or that doesn’t really mean anything because he was high on a regular basis so we can’t rust much of what he said there.

Excess alcohol? Yeah, he passed out and choked on his own vomit, so he paid the price for his excesses.

You’re trying to make something out of nothing here and not really succeeding because being a drug addict or alcoholic satanic music does not make. The two have no proven or even implied correlation.
 
You’re trying to make something out of nothing here and not really succeeding because being a drug addict or alcoholic satanic music does not make. The two have no proven or even implied correlation.
LOL Actually, that’s a very valid point. There’s a few drug takers I know who are actually classical music fans and don’t enjoy popular music at all. There’s another who has his head in musical theatre. And I tell you, I know of more drug takers who are doctors and lawyers than rockers! As for alcohol…the number of people who come tumbling out of clubs that play pop rubbish and dance blah-ness…
 
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