Don't Support Devilish Music(Rock Music)!!!

[nguirado]

Whether music or bad or not depends on how it affects you. It’s not bad in and of itself. If music promotes anti-Christian things then it’s anti-Christian. If, however, it doesn’t affect you that way, then I wouldn’t worry about it.

In fact, everything is so not Christian today that Christians have probably learned to just tune out the messages altogether.

 

[dontknow]

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For me an aversion to classical music definitely has spiritual source possibilities. It can also show some natural malformation from childhood to need immediate gratification rather than the ability for a more delayed appreciation. I don’t think I need to talk about the two paths – suffer then gratification – gratification then suffer to show that this is a problem.

For someone to say this is ridiculous - for someone to actually believe this is just petrifying…

 

[MichaelR]

LOL If people don’t like classical music, it’s because it’s not to their taste! As simple as that!

And what does that mean anyway? Does that mean the Classical period? Or all music prior to 1900? I’m not all that keen on Classical music, but Baroque and Romantic hold far more interest. I’m not overjoyed by Mozart orchestral pieces, but Beethoven is amazing. I don’t like Wagner operas, but love the wit of Mozart’s. Music is far more complex than ‘classical’, ‘pop’ and ‘rock’.

Just to see rap referred to in the same breath as rock seems alien to me, they’re two completely different genres of music.

Music more often than not acts as an outlet for negative or overwhelming emotions rather than encouraging them. Not all rock music is satanic either, and many of those that do speak about the devil or the occult do it in a tongue in cheek manner, with no force of belief behind it. Some are even parodies, ridiculing such music.

And, at the end of the day, if you don’t like a piece of music, turn it off…but it doesn’t mean others have to.

 

[presidentjlh]

You know, as someone who loves rock music (Especially AC/DC. And, no, “AC/DC” does not stand for “Anti-Christ/Devil Comes” or anything. I think the lightning bolt in their logo kinda hints towards it meaning “Alternating Current/Direct Current”) I have considered the effect rock music has had on me. Is it leading me down a good path or a bad one?

Since I started listening to rock music, I:

Have put my laziness aside and played high school football.
Have gotten to more into my faith, even sponsoring an RCIA candidate.
Have overall had a better attitude about life.

I’d say that rock music helped me greatly.

 

[Joe_5859]

Hey, we’re past 600 posts now! Less than 400 to go before our discussion will have to come to an end.



Anyone into Rhapsody of Fire? Their new album “The Frozen Tears of Angels” is quite superb!

 

[TheLizardKing]

I wonder what God would care more about?

A) The fact that I listen to music that “sounds angry” and talks about issues that (while not the most moral or the nicest) are part of every day life or

B) How I live my life in Jesus’ name, love God, and seek to spread His word to those around me.

 

[Portrait]

You know, as someone who loves rock music (Especially AC/DC. And, no, “AC/DC” does not stand for “Anti-Christ/Devil Comes” or anything. I think the lightning bolt in their logo kinda hints towards it meaning “Alternating Current/Direct Current”) I have considered the effect rock music has had on me. Is it leading me down a good path or a bad one?

Since I started listening to rock music, I:

Have put my laziness aside and played high school football.
Have gotten to more into my faith, even sponsoring an RCIA candidate.
Have overall had a better attitude about life.

I’d say that rock music helped me greatly.

Dear presidentjlh,

Cordial greetings.

Were you aware of the fact that the lyrics of some AC/DC numbers have exceedingly strong sexual connotations, so much so that they are too offensively indecent to be cited here on CAF?

Moreover, a hallmark of their albums is the satanic ‘S’. Thus their album ‘Back in Black’ has a song entitled ‘Hell’s Bells’, including the disturbing words ‘Satan’s gonna get you’. The cover of the album ‘Highway to Hell’ shows a member with horns and another wearing a pentagram (a satanic symbol). The title of the song includes the blasphemous words, ‘I’m on my way to the promised land, I’m on the highway to hell’.

Such morally offensive and blasphemous material is the very antithesis of Christian piety and the life of faith and no Catholic should befoul themsellves with this sub-Christian filth if they value their souls.

We are enjoined by St. Paul to think on those things that are ‘pure’, ‘lovely’ and virtuous (Phillip. 4: 8); remember, “once you were in darkness, but now you are light in the Lord; walk as children of the light (for the fruit of the light is found in all that good and right and true), and try to learn what is pleasing to the Lord. Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them”. ( Eph. 5: 8-11, emphasis mine).

BTW, it is generally acknowledged that AC/DC is deliberate unseemly slang for the hideous vice of bisexuality.

Rock music will not in the long term, at least, lead you down a “good path”, on the contrary it will desensitize you to that which is immoral and profane. Moreover, because it is debased sensory material it will ultimately degrade you and hinder your pursuit of holiness.

Forgive me if I sound discourteous but rock music is a polluted stream that excites the “elemental passions” and is far too impure for the Christian to bathe in without becoming morally contaminated and corrupted. Think on these things dear friend.

Warmest good wishes and prayers,

Portrait

 

[NewsTheMan]

To the above. Umm… and what abour “pop” music? Especially the pop music of today? In fact. What about any music with words. Words have so many different meanings for so many different kinds of people? You for example see the AC/DC thing as a “bisexual” play on words. To me, that is insane. Never heard that in my life? And to then suggest the band promotes homosexuality because they somehow named themselves AC/DC and you think AC/DC means bisexuality is utterly absurd. As far as band names go… they are usually meaningless and are made up by young guys who think “well, that sounds cool” and people start making stories up.

I am not sure if the thread has discussed this yet. However… elephant in the room to me?

Is rock music intrinsically evil? Which may lead to the question “can music be intrinsically evil?”.

The answer is no. In which case… rock music is not evil.

 

[Portrait]

Whether music or bad or not depends on how it affects you. It’s not bad in and of itself. If music promotes anti-Christian things then it’s anti-Christian. If, however, it doesn’t affect you that way, then I wouldn’t worry about it.

In fact, everything is so not Christian today that Christians have probably learned to just tune out the messages altogether.

Dear nguirado,

Cordial greetings.

Since rock music is intrinsically unsavoury it will necessarily have a negative impact, of some sort or another, sooner or later, upon its devotees. This is hardly surprising since its message from the earliest days has always been anti-Christian, anti-establishment, anti-capitalistic and certain anti-morality; its very beat and sound has implicitly rejected restraints and respectability and celebrated debauched living and a very warped view of freedom and sexuality.

Music has always influenced society and values and since the 1960’s rock/pop music has been shamefully used to promote increasingly harmful ideas and to convey a hedonistic outlook. According to Dr, T.J. Tashjian, chairman of psychiatry at Mount Sinai Hospital, the lyrics of some rock music has significantly affected the formation of values among children. This is nothing new for Aristotle was convinced that music could affect a persons character and Plato was of the opinion that music could be an instrument for changing entire societies. How right they both are! “Music is the most powerful stimulus known among the perceptive senses. The medical, psychiatric and other evidences for the non-neutrality of music is so overwhelming that it frankly amazes me that anyone should serioisly say otherwise” (Max Schoen, The Psychology of Music).

The American Medical Association concluded in 1989 that music exerts a greater influence on teenagers than television. Actually more young people than adults believe that popular music encourages drug use and fornication and contributes to a “culture of agression”. Indeed, how right they are!

Even the most vociferous supporters of rock and pop would freely admit that there is much in the scene to disturb any tender Christian conscience. Alas, a very large percentage of rock numbers contain in their lyrics flagrantly un-Christian morality, ranging from casual acceptance of pre-marital sex to the unspeakably pornograhic and vile. We have, over several decades now, been flooded by a tidal wave of songs celebrating young lust, of Satanism being an in vogue image for heavy rock bands and our music stores have been saturated with rackfuls of sub-Christian filth. Thus it is no wonder that Steven Lawhead (who is by no means anti-rock) admits that “there is more blatant immorality being peddled in popular music now than ever before” (Rock Reconsidered).

Rock music is communication without words; the lyrics only inform one what the music already says - the music is its own message and it can change entirely the message of the words (assuming, of course, there is any message in the first place). From the beginning rock was an art form created to express certain anti-Christian philosophies and it is inseparably wedded to to those philosophies by default, which is why the christian must renounce rock if he not to be influenced by them, even unwittingly.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

 

[HauntedJame]

From the beginning rock was an art form created to express certain anti-Christian philosophies and it is inseparably wedded to to those philosophies by default, which is why the christian must renounce rock if he not to be influenced by them, even unwittingly.

What about Christian rock music then? Does saying God make it holy rather than devilish?

 

[NewsTheMan]

I cannot take seriously any argument that tries to say that a genre of music is intrinsically evil. It just falls apart. You cannot prove in any way shape or form that rock music is intrinsically evil. Sorry. It is impossible. And because of that, you cannot discredit the entire rock world.

Personally, I think pop music and trance music is more intrinsically evil! Trance/House music especially. It takes no intelligence to listen to, it mesmorizes people (especially drunk clubbers) and it encourages a whole host of immorality. And on a daily basis. Compare what I listen to, to what the average person my age will listen to (girls none-the-less).

Me (rock): Sweet Jesus, I swear that I love you,
No matter what the chariot says.
I’m biased, and by this I’ll judge you on weakness
wrapped up in my own innocence
And I think that’s fine. - Manchester Orchestra, “Now that you’re home”

Average person (pop/mainstream): I see you winding and grinding up on that pole,
I know you see me lookin’ at you and you already know
I wanna @#$% you, you already know
I wanna @#$% you, you already know - Akon, “I wanna @#$% You”.

Now… you tell me which song is evil?

 

[MugenOne]

I hate wining and dining music aka as R & B. Except old school R & B like Al Green, the newer generation R & B and pop music are garbage. It’s sad that today’s young people consider those songs to be love songs.

I cannot take seriously any argument that tries to say that a genre of music is intrinsically evil. It just falls apart. You cannot prove in any way shape or form that rock music is intrinsically evil. Sorry. It is impossible. And because of that, you cannot discredit the entire rock world.

Personally, I think pop music and trance music is more intrinsically evil! Trance/House music especially. It takes no intelligence to listen to, it mesmorizes people (especially drunk clubbers) and it encourages a whole host of immorality. And on a daily basis. Compare what I listen to, to what the average person my age will listen to (girls none-the-less).

Me (rock): Sweet Jesus, I swear that I love you,
No matter what the chariot says.
I’m biased, and by this I’ll judge you on weakness
wrapped up in my own innocence
And I think that’s fine. - Manchester Orchestra, “Now that you’re home”

Average person (pop/mainstream): I see you winding and grinding up on that pole,
I know you see me lookin’ at you and you already know
I wanna @#$% you, you already know
I wanna @#$% you, you already know - Akon, “I wanna @#$% You”.

Now… you tell me which song is evil?

 

[Portrait]

What about Christian rock music then? Does saying God make it holy rather than devilish?

Dear friend,

Cordial greetings and thankyou for the above questions.

Rock music simply cannot be reformed from its morally permissive and unwholesome associations; the music per se conveys a message and it is naive to think that by merely changing some unsavoury lyrics, or appending the music to a ‘right’ cause will somehow render it respectable.

The whole notion of ‘Christian rock’ is a misconception held by some well-meaning, but nonetheless, misguided Christians, especially among youth. It is fuelled by the erroneous idea that the energy of rock can be channeled towards virtuos ends. The delusion appears to arise from a very basic misunderstanding about the nature of rock music itself; irrespective of what the alleged Christian lyrics may say, the music itself speaks, often very loudly, the language of self-gratification, revolt against authority (parental etc.), and downright sexual permissiveness. Not only can rock music not be rendered respectable, it does not even want to be respectable; rock in its very essence is vulgar and narcisstic and is based on a denial of any value outside the self. Thus whilst one could set a Christian hymn/song to the beat of rock, it cannot be done convincingly because the music will just subvert the words.

Rock music is beyond artistic redemption because its pounding beat will always summons its devotees to cast off restraint and and adopt a rebellious and worldly outlook, that is far removed from the gentle, Christian pursuit of holiness.

As a footnote, let me say that I do understand why many young people, I was young myself at one time, try to rationalize and legitimize listening to rock music. It is all bound up with the much bigger issue of a recalctrant refusual to face up to sanctity and separation from the irreligious world; there is a strong desire to adopt a hand in hand with the world sort of religious life that allows one to cling on to a “few of my favourite things”. However, as the story of the Rich Young Ruler in the Gospels made abundantly clear, there are sacrifices to be made when embracing the Christian Faith and our Lord called upon us to deny ourselves and take up our cross and follow Him daily.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

 

[Portrait]

I cannot take seriously any argument that tries to say that a genre of music is intrinsically evil. It just falls apart. You cannot prove in any way shape or form that rock music is intrinsically evil. Sorry. It is impossible. And because of that, you cannot discredit the entire rock world.

Personally, I think pop music and trance music is more intrinsically evil! Trance/House music especially. It takes no intelligence to listen to, it mesmorizes people (especially drunk clubbers) and it encourages a whole host of immorality. And on a daily basis. Compare what I listen to, to what the average person my age will listen to (girls none-the-less).

Me (rock): Sweet Jesus, I swear that I love you,
No matter what the chariot says.
I’m biased, and by this I’ll judge you on weakness
wrapped up in my own innocence
And I think that’s fine. - Manchester Orchestra, “Now that you’re home”

Average person (pop/mainstream): I see you winding and grinding up on that pole,
I know you see me lookin’ at you and you already know
I wanna @#$% you, you already know
I wanna @#$% you, you already know - Akon, “I wanna @#$% You”.

Now… you tell me which song is evil?

Dear friend,

Cordial greetings,

The world of rock has discredited itself ever since its inception and continues to do so in its deplorably egregious modern manifestations. This only serves to demonstrate that it emanates from Augean stable of unimaginable filth and depravity and should accordingly be given a very wide berth by all who name the name of Christ and who are earnestly seeking to depart from iniquity.

There is what I term the unmistakable filth connection between rock and sexual permissiveness. If anyone should be able to substantiate this claim then it is the rock performers themselves as they have no particular axe to grind. Here, without any comment, are the revealing, though hardly surprising, views of those in the upper reaches of the rock music scene:

Glen Frey of the Eagles: “I’m in rock music for the sex and narcotics”.

Debbie Harry, lead singer with Blondie: “I’ve always thought that the main ingredients in rock are sex, really good stage shows and really sassy music. Sex and sass, I really think that’s where its at”.

Mick Jagger, "You can feel the adrenalin flowing through your body. Its sort of sexual. I entice my audience. What I do is very much the same as a girl’s strip-tease dance…(cannot finish the quote as it is morally offensive).

Dave Krebs, manager of Areosmith, “When you’re in a certain frame of mind, particularly sexually-orientated, there’s nothing better than rock ‘n’ roll, because* that’s where most of the performers are at”* (added emphasis mine).

Jim Morrison: “I feel spiritual up there. Think of us as erotic politicians”.

John Oates: Rock ‘n’ roll is 99% sex.

Richard Oldham: manager of the Rolling Stones: “Rock music is sex and you have to hit them (teenagers) in the face with it”.

Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin: “Rock ‘n’ roll is sexually - you music”.

Frank Zappa, of Mothers of Invention fame: “Rock music is sex. The big beat matches the body’s rhythms”.

Now clearly these artists cannot be accused of any undue bias and certainly not of being overly prissy about morality in general. Moreover, what they say cannot be dismissively brushed aside as mere worthless opinion because 1/ they have no polemical theory to uphold and 2/ they all speak with one voice regarding the very definite connection between sex and the music with which they are involved, in most cases from rock’s very earliest days. Thus they of all people should know what they are talking about.

Given this exceedingly unsavoury philosophy of rock, how can any Christian worth their salt really want to befoul themselves by listening to such morally depraved sensory material inspired by such a philosophy? How is listening to such filth thinking on those things which are pure, lovely and virtuous (cf. Phillip. 4: 8)? Surely it is apparent, even to a blind man on a galloping horse, that rock music is pure, unmittigated bilge that is decidedly hazardous to one’s spiritual life. Forgive me if I sound a little like a moral crusader but I feel that we must not give an uncertain sound on the trumpet regarding this debased art form, which has a profound negative influence upon our youth.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

 

[cthulhubryan]

Tell that to Gandhi, Miguel Hidalgo, America’s Founding Fathers, Jose Rizal and even Jesus Christ Himself. All of these figures were revolutionaries and rebelled against the authorities of their time.

Honestly, just what is it with you religious people and this grand delusion that we are an authoritarian religion? Honestly, the two of you are just a couple of the saddest examples of “counter-culture Catholicism”. From one crazy end of the spectrum, you go the other crazy end. Just because we adhere to some form of authority does not make us blind sheep.

God gave us free will.
God gave us rationality.

If we were intended to be so blindly devout to authority, there would be no need for either the two. We would simply be mindless, encapsulated followers afraid of using our heads.

People like you make a poor case for Christianity. If anything, you just reinforce its worst stereotypes.

I think that perhaps you are confused by the word authority.

Jesus, Washington, etc. rebelled against temporal authority.

It is the authority of God that must be obeyed. We did not elect God, He does not stand for reelection. He is our King, thus by the very nature of Kingdom Authority we do live in an authoritarian religion. We do have free will, therefore we can choose to rebel against this authoritarianism and be damned for it.

There is plenty of need for free will and rationality in God’s authoritarianism. We do not live in a vacuum. The world is not the same as it was 2,000 years ago. We need that rationality to cope with changes, but not to use it to rebel.

I have seen many protestant churches operate under your idea of a free and egalitarian church and I have seen the horrors that it can produce.

We do exist in an authoritarian regime, why else would we have to work out salvation with fear and trembling?

God is the first, final and only authority.

 

[LilyM]

Did you know, Portrait, that the Council Fathers of Trent came within a hairs’ breadth of banning all polyphonic music - music that has different parts for different voices or instruments instead of all voices and instruments singing or playing the same part - from the Mass?

Polyphonic music was considered by many at the time to be, as the Council termed it ‘lascivious and impure’. Why? Because musicians who composed it often took the tunes of secular songs - songs that focused then, as secular music tends to do now, on favourite topics of sex and alcohol - and rehashed them with sacred lyrics.

People were convinced that polyphony couldn’t be divorced from its origins by the interpolation of lyrics on sacred themes.

Guess what? They were WRONG, they realised they were WRONG and they ended up NOT banning polyphonic music. They sensibly realised that polyphony’s ‘lascivious and impure’ origins did NOT render it unfit for use even in the Mass itself, let alone for general use.

Deo Gratias for that. A heartfelt one from me especially, for I dearly love Allegri’s Miserere, the beauty of which the Popes became so jealous of that they banned its performance outside the Vatican for over a century!

Funny that such ‘lascivious and impure’ pieces at the Miserere and the Missae Papae Marcelli have become such beloved, revered and spiritually moving parts of the repertoire.

You can learn much from the wisdom of the Council Fathers of Trent.

Look, I don’t doubt that those musicians said what they said. I don’t doubt that some of them believed it (although equally some of them were probably taking the mick and not expressing their genuine beliefs).

I DO sincerely and rightly doubt that a handful of quotes, albeit from celebrated musicians, is any evidence that an entire genre of music is tainted.

Do you know anything about computers, Portrait? Do you know that back in the day Microsoft founder Bill Gates reportedly said ‘640K software is all the memory anyone will ever need’?

Anyone who has even the most cursory knowledge of computers knows, in hindsight, that it was a pretty dumb thing to say. And more importantly completely wrong. I tell you this to show how little trust can be placed even in the pronouncements of experts, even when they’re talking about the very topic on which they’re experts!

 

[NewsTheMan]

Dear friend,

Cordial greetings,

The world of rock has discredited itself ever since its inception and continues to do so in its deplorably egregious modern manifestations. This only serves to demonstrate that it emanates from Augean stable of unimaginable filth and depravity and should accordingly be given a very wide berth by all who name the name of Christ and who are earnestly seeking to depart from iniquity.

There is what I term the unmistakable filth connection between rock and sexual permissiveness. If anyone should be able to substantiate this claim then it is the rock performers themselves as they have no particular axe to grind. Here, without any comment, are the revealing, though hardly surprising, views of those in the upper reaches of the rock music scene:

Glen Frey of the Eagles: “I’m in rock music for the sex and narcotics”.

Debbie Harry, lead singer with Blondie: “I’ve always thought that the main ingredients in rock are sex, really good stage shows and really sassy music. Sex and sass, I really think that’s where its at”.

Mick Jagger, "You can feel the adrenalin flowing through your body. Its sort of sexual. I entice my audience. What I do is very much the same as a girl’s strip-tease dance…(cannot finish the quote as it is morally offensive).

Dave Krebs, manager of Areosmith, “When you’re in a certain frame of mind, particularly sexually-orientated, there’s nothing better than rock ‘n’ roll, because* that’s where most of the performers are at”* (added emphasis mine).

Jim Morrison: “I feel spiritual up there. Think of us as erotic politicians”.

John Oates: Rock ‘n’ roll is 99% sex.

Richard Oldham: manager of the Rolling Stones: “Rock music is sex and you have to hit them (teenagers) in the face with it”.

Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin: “Rock ‘n’ roll is sexually - you music”.

Frank Zappa, of Mothers of Invention fame: “Rock music is sex. The big beat matches the body’s rhythms”.

Now clearly these artists cannot be accused of any undue bias and certainly not of being overly prissy about morality in general. Moreover, what they say cannot be dismissively brushed aside as mere worthless opinion because 1/ they have no polemical theory to uphold and 2/ they all speak with one voice regarding the very definite connection between sex and the music with which they are involved, in most cases from rock’s very earliest days. Thus they of all people should know what they are talking about.

Given this exceedingly unsavoury philosophy of rock, how can any Christian worth their salt really want to befoul themselves by listening to such morally depraved sensory material inspired by such a philosophy? How is listening to such filth thinking on those things which are pure, lovely and virtuous (cf. Phillip. 4: 8)? Surely it is apparent, even to a blind man on a galloping horse, that rock music is pure, unmittigated bilge that is decidedly hazardous to one’s spiritual life. Forgive me if I sound a little like a moral crusader but I feel that we must not give an uncertain sound on the trumpet regarding this debased art form, which has a profound negative influence upon our youth.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Your argument here is weak. Do you see that?

It’s using the appealing to authority argument; which makes less sense since you are discrediting these musicians in the first place.

A bunch of quotes from these rock artists doesn’tmake a genre poor. In the same way that if a Catholic priest sinned it wouldn’t make the Church a bad thing.

A handful of quotes just don’t do anything. They are meaningless unless EVERY SINGLE rock musician now and forever says that “rock music is sexy/against God/for sex/etc”. Not only that, they need to say that they want to convey that in their message. I think you have taken those quotes without the metaphorical pinch of salt. These people think of themselves as artists, and so they speak playfully and sometimes obnoxiously about their ‘work’ - saying things like what you have quoted.

But again… I don’t see sex in rock music. I see sex in rap, in pop, in hip hop.

Again…

Is rock music intrinsically evil? Can it be? IF you try answer yes, what about the instruments involved?

What about something that YOU wouldn’t call rock but I would? What is “rock” music anyway? You have no clue I am sure. There are so many genres - and indeed in today’s music scene there is no stable ‘rock’ set-type. Do electric guitars make rock? Is it because it is fast paced? Is it the attitude of the musician? The lyrics? If the answer to all that is yes then you start going into absurd territory - you’d have to start saying that, for instance, Metallica are rock musicians but sometimes not when they plsay acoustic but yet they are but yet they aren’t.

 

[Joe_5859]

Did you know, Portrait, that the Council Fathers of Trent came within a hairs’ breadth of banning all polyphonic music - music that has different parts for different voices or instruments instead of all voices and instruments singing or playing the same part - from the Mass?

Polyphonic music was considered by many at the time to be, as the Council termed it ‘lascivious and impure’. Why? Because musicians who composed it often took the tunes of secular songs - songs that focused then, as secular music tends to do now, on favourite topics of sex and alcohol - and rehashed them with sacred lyrics.

People were convinced that polyphony couldn’t be divorced from its origins by the interpolation of lyrics on sacred themes.

Guess what? They were WRONG, they realised they were WRONG and they ended up NOT banning polyphonic music. They sensibly realised that polyphony’s ‘lascivious and impure’ origins did NOT render it unfit for use even in the Mass itself, let alone for general use.

Deo Gratias for that. A heartfelt one from me especially, for I dearly love Allegri’s Miserere, the beauty of which the Popes became so jealous of that they banned its performance outside the Vatican for over a century!

Funny that such ‘lascivious and impure’ pieces at the Miserere and the Missae Papae Marcelli have become such beloved, revered and spiritually moving parts of the repertoire.

You can learn much from the wisdom of the Council Fathers of Trent.

Look, I don’t doubt that those musicians said what they said. I don’t doubt that some of them believed it (although equally some of them were probably taking the mick and not expressing their genuine beliefs).

I DO sincerely and rightly doubt that a handful of quotes, albeit from celebrated musicians, is any evidence that an entire genre of music is tainted.

Do you know anything about computers, Portrait? Do you know that back in the day Microsoft founder Bill Gates reportedly said ‘640K software is all the memory anyone will ever need’?

Anyone who has even the most cursory knowledge of computers knows, in hindsight, that it was a pretty dumb thing to say. And more importantly completely wrong. I tell you this to show how little trust can be placed even in the pronouncements of experts, even when they’re talking about the very topic on which they’re experts!

Good comparison, Lily.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

The Eagles and Beach Boys involved in Satanism? LOL LOL Wow, that is the funniest thing I’ve heard all day. Thanks for the ear to ear grin. If Brian Wilson and the Beach Boys were Satanists, then I’m Alister Crowley. The Eagles Satanic? LOL…yeah, “I Can’t Tell you Why” and “In the Long Run” as well as “Take it Easy” all have that diabolical feel about them LOL…

You are listening to some real hacks if they’re selling you that line of boloney…

Hi again.I just went back from a Life In Spirit Seminar two days ago and the priest was talking about how people got influenced by the devil.He talked about cults,occults,spirit of the coin,magic.But one thing was really getting my attention when the priest was talking about how people today are influenced by the devil through music(rock music,country music,etcetera).

During his talk,he mentioned bands and singers like John Lennon,Beatles,Eagles,Beach Boys and more!I was shocked to hear that these people were involved in Satanism!!.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Dude, Led Zeppelin is perhaps the greatest rock band of all time. Love 'em!! Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, what’s not to love!! Hall and Oates, gotta love those guys. As for Debbie Harry and Mick Jagger, pass. LOL…Not a big Zappa fan either.

Dear friend,

Cordial greetings,

The world of rock has discredited itself ever since its inception and continues to do so in its deplorably egregious modern manifestations. This only serves to demonstrate that it emanates from Augean stable of unimaginable filth and depravity and should accordingly be given a very wide berth by all who name the name of Christ and who are earnestly seeking to depart from iniquity.

There is what I term the unmistakable filth connection between rock and sexual permissiveness. If anyone should be able to substantiate this claim then it is the rock performers themselves as they have no particular axe to grind. Here, without any comment, are the revealing, though hardly surprising, views of those in the upper reaches of the rock music scene:

Glen Frey of the Eagles: “I’m in rock music for the sex and narcotics”.

Debbie Harry, lead singer with Blondie: “I’ve always thought that the main ingredients in rock are sex, really good stage shows and really sassy music. Sex and sass, I really think that’s where its at”.

Mick Jagger, "You can feel the adrenalin flowing through your body. Its sort of sexual. I entice my audience. What I do is very much the same as a girl’s strip-tease dance…(cannot finish the quote as it is morally offensive).

Dave Krebs, manager of Areosmith, “When you’re in a certain frame of mind, particularly sexually-orientated, there’s nothing better than rock ‘n’ roll, because* that’s where most of the performers are at”* (added emphasis mine).

Jim Morrison: “I feel spiritual up there. Think of us as erotic politicians”.

John Oates: Rock ‘n’ roll is 99% sex.

Richard Oldham: manager of the Rolling Stones: “Rock music is sex and you have to hit them (teenagers) in the face with it”.

Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin: “Rock ‘n’ roll is sexually - you music”.

Frank Zappa, of Mothers of Invention fame: “Rock music is sex. The big beat matches the body’s rhythms”.

Now clearly these artists cannot be accused of any undue bias and certainly not of being overly prissy about morality in general. Moreover, what they say cannot be dismissively brushed aside as mere worthless opinion because 1/ they have no polemical theory to uphold and 2/ they all speak with one voice regarding the very definite connection between sex and the music with which they are involved, in most cases from rock’s very earliest days. Thus they of all people should know what they are talking about.

Given this exceedingly unsavoury philosophy of rock, how can any Christian worth their salt really want to befoul themselves by listening to such morally depraved sensory material inspired by such a philosophy? How is listening to such filth thinking on those things which are pure, lovely and virtuous (cf. Phillip. 4: 8)? Surely it is apparent, even to a blind man on a galloping horse, that rock music is pure, unmittigated bilge that is decidedly hazardous to one’s spiritual life. Forgive me if I sound a little like a moral crusader but I feel that we must not give an uncertain sound on the trumpet regarding this debased art form, which has a profound negative influence upon our youth.

Warmest good wishes,

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