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That society’s idea of right and wrong is seriously messed up? And how it will get worse as your children grow up?

As a young person, it honestly irritates me to see my peers believing anything. And it also shows us the future of society. I mean it just keeps getting worse and worse.

As parents, how do you deal with this anxiety? I’m mildly comforted by the fact that we have truth on our side, but then again we are becoming the minority.
 
Well, Romans 2 says that there is a law written on the heart:

“14 When Gentiles who have not the law do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15** They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts**, while their conscience also bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or perhaps excuse them 16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.”
 
Yes to the above. We have to make sure our childten are equipped from a young age with catholic foundation… And as more Catholic parents are doing this, who knows, it may get better.🙂
 
Not scared. This is more or less the same cycles as before. Each new generation seen as worse than the previous, until they are in power.

What has changed is that society is less able (or willing) to pressure individuals in any particular direction. Most of that must come from within the individual whether divinely or otherwise.
 
Not scared. This is more or less the same cycles as before. Each new generation seen as worse than the previous, until they are in power.
I think most people don’t have a clue about history. One of my favorite quotes is from St. Augustine (354 – 430):
Is there any affliction now endured by mankind that was not endured by our fathers before us? What sufferings of ours even bear comparison with what we know of their sufferings? And yet you hear people complaining about this present day and age because things were so much better in former times. I wonder what would happen if they could be taken back to the days of their ancestors – would we not still hear them complaining? You may think past ages were good, but it is only because you are not living in them.
…How then can you think that past ages were better than your own? From the time of that first Adam to the time of his descendants today, man’s lot has been labor and sweat, thorns and thistles. Have we forgotten the flood and the calamitous times of famine and war whose history has been recorded precisely in order to keep us from complaining to God on account of our own times? Just think what those past ages were like! Is there one of us who does not shudder to hear or read of them? Far from justifying complaints about our own time, they teach us how much we have to be thankful for.
And another, also from St. Augustine:
The times are not bad…we are the times.
 
That society’s idea of right and wrong is seriously messed up? And how it will get worse as your children grow up?

As a young person, it honestly irritates me to see my peers believing anything. And it also shows us the future of society. I mean it just keeps getting worse and worse.

As parents, how do you deal with this anxiety? I’m mildly comforted by the fact that we have truth on our side, but then again we are becoming the minority.
After what I lived through in my life and what my parents and my grandparents lived through? No, I don’t live in fear or anxiety. We confronted invasions. We confronted two successive wars on the continent that were decimating in terms of death toll and destruction. I did not know a family that was not touched by tragic loss of life. Our governmental systems changed radically from one moment to the next. We confronted hardship on a scale that contemporary people [where this website is being read], I believe, are unable to imagine. Those were times to cause fear and anxiety.
 
[BIBLEDRB]Fear not, for I am with thee: turn not aside, for I am thy God: I have strengthened thee, and have helped thee, and the right hand of my just one hath upheld thee[/BIBLEDRB]Is 41:10
 
[BIBLEDRB]Fear not, for I am with thee: turn not aside, for I am thy God: I have strengthened thee, and have helped thee, and the right hand of my just one hath upheld thee[/BIBLEDRB]Is 41:10
Yes! We must keep looking at our Lord Jesus Christ. Be not afraid!

Pray much, make sacrifices.

Blessed Mother Mary…Pray for us!
 
I’m not scared. If I am teaching my daughter the truth, then it will stand on its own. I’m not afraid of those who disagree with us. And everyone has always thought the current generation to be the worst yet.
 
That society’s idea of right and wrong is seriously messed up? And how it will get worse as your children grow up?

As a young person, it honestly irritates me to see my peers believing anything. And it also shows us the future of society. I mean it just keeps getting worse and worse.

As parents, how do you deal with this anxiety? I’m mildly comforted by the fact that we have truth on our side, but then again we are becoming the minority.
Yes, I think fear is normal to experience right now - in politics and religion. But I also think the times are bracing, invigorating. A time of change. (not in the Pope’s sense) I think there are more twists and turns to come in the Church and the West. Spring is coming, literally, possibly figuratively.

It will be all right. No matter how it plays out. Through a good personal Christian grounding is essential, no question. You sound like you have that. (or you would not have enough sense to be scared about what you are scared about)
 
That society’s idea of right and wrong is seriously messed up? And how it will get worse as your children grow up?

As a young person, it honestly irritates me to see my peers believing anything. And it also shows us the future of society. I mean it just keeps getting worse and worse.

As parents, how do you deal with this anxiety? I’m mildly comforted by the fact that we have truth on our side, but then again we are becoming the minority.
I think different personalities react differently. I feel excitement. I know that the worse it gets the greater the rescue of God. Generations react differently in the face of adversity. Imagine the fear of WWII.

I almost daily pray. To the Lord, how long until your justice makes things right. And the worse it gets the closer we get.
 
Yes, but maybe not in the same way that you mean. I feel scared because my adult DD has already shaken off everything we taught her (pro-life, living for Christ, etc.) and has full-on adopted today’s social values and mores. I still have a 12yo at home, and I worry about what the world will be like when he is finally out on his own, and if he will continue to live out his Catholic faith.

But in the midst of my human fears, I also hold tightly onto the hope that God will somehow be able to capture their hearts and minds and turn them towards Him, even if it’s after my time on earth.
 
Yes, I think fear is normal to experience right now - in politics and religion. But I also think the times are bracing, invigorating. A time of change. (not in the Pope’s sense) I think there are more twists and turns to come in the Church and the West. Spring is coming, literally, possibly figuratively.

It will be all right. No matter how it plays out. Through a good personal Christian grounding is essential, no question. You sound like you have that. (or you would not have enough sense to be scared about what you are scared about)
I’m not that optimistic 😦 what makes you think that it’s changing? I need something to hold onto, haha.
 
Yes, to some extent. I’m not married or dating, but I do fear the prospect of raising children in the Catholic faith in this age. Evil is called good and celebrated, while good is called evil and punished. This is nothing new, of course, but the internet and pervasive media exposure have had an amplifying effect. However, I think this fear is misplaced, even if it is natural.

We only have to look at the last 200 years to find plenty of far more distressing times. In that time span, Europe was reeling from Napoleon’s conquest and subsequent collapse, with a great deal of fear about the future. The system devised in the 1600s to prevent war in Europe proved unable to stop Napoleon’s march across it. After his defeat, the Russian Tsar Alexander I stood in Paris as the victor and announced that a new order of international affairs would begin, striking a silent fear into the hearts of Europeans, even as they applauded the Tsar for his defeat of Napoleon. What would the future hold for Europe with the existing order shattered?

In the US, the War of 1812 threatened to break apart the republic before it ever got settled. One could easily forgive an American for thinking that this new American Experiment was about to be over. While Europe’s old structure had been demolished by Napoleon, the United States had barely a chance to create its own before war threatened to rip it away.

Europe was racked with instability in 1848 with France, Germany, the Italian states, Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland, Poland, Belgium, Ireland, and the Austrian Empire all experiencing revolutions. If one did not buy into the optimism of the revolutionary spirit–and there was no evidence to suggest that things would improve–the future would likely have been fraught with peril. How could Europe heal itself with virtually every state being turned over?

As time moved on through to the mid 1800s, the United States again faced an existential threat, this time from civil war. A northerner would likely have seen the nation teetering on the brink of destruction. Could the Union hold, or would secession be a fatal wound? A southerner would be left wondering what would come next in case of either defeat or victory. Could the Confederacy exist on its own without the northern manufacturing base? Or if defeated, how would it be treated by the victors? The assasination of Lincoln seemed to confirm the worst fears of many that this was indeed a fatal blow.

At the same time as the US civil war, Taiping Rebellion in China led to death on an absolutely catastrophic scale. Estimates range from 20-30 million dead in the14 years it raged, with some estimates going over 100 million. It was a true total war, with all facets of society involved and affected, and astonishing acts of repression from the Qing dynasty in the aftermath.

The 1870s saw the reunifcation of Germany under Bismarck. France’s defeat in the Franco-Prussian war had many French actually advocating a return to the monarchy. Political resistance then was not just within the system; it also included a complete rejection of it. It would be akin to the losing party in the US advocating the states become British colonies again. Once more, the status quo looked like it was about to collapse.

WWI speaks for itself. In addition to the deaths of 16 million, it also resulted in the deaths of 4 empires. If there was ever a time to question the direction of humanity, this was it. WWII, the Cold War, the continual threat of nuclear destruction, the rise of violent Islamism, the fall of the Soviet Union, global terrorism, the Arab Spring, and the rise of ISIS need little explanation.

There’s plenty more that could go in here, and it still leaves out the previous 1800 years of history that Christians had to live through. As a Catholic, charting a course through all this uncertainty in addition to the domestic change that accompanied it may be impossible to do without fear. Yet, plenty of Catholics held on to their faith through extreme circumstances. Plenty of Catholics raised their children in the faith. Our problems today always seem worse than they are because we see them in the present as they happen, not as another addition to a long series of events, many of which were worse, yet survivable.

I believe that God will give us the grace necessary to handle whatever is thrown at us. Fear is not realistic. It assumes that God will give us tasks and trials we can’t endure or overcome, which is not true.
 
So I was just thinking about this topic during Mass. After Mass, a guy handed me a card with a verse on it-Romans 16: 19-20
19 Everyone has heard about your obedience, so I rejoice because of you; but I want you to be wise about what is good, and innocent about what is evil.
20 The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet.
Hmmmm :o
 
I’m not that optimistic 😦 what makes you think that it’s changing? I need something to hold onto, haha.
I am optimistic. I spoke to hundreds of people last year about their health, mostly in California, Nebraska, New York, and South Carolina. An amazing number of them with chronic conditions expressed faith that God was in charge, or that he would see them through. There are some terminally ill people with amazing courage and faith.

These people are not out in the streets protesting today. They are staying quietly at home, taking care of their families or dealing with their own pain, trusting in God.

But they voted. And that’s one reason we have an iffy president today, because people are tired of being told that you can choose your gender, or use whichever bathroom you like, or that it’s bigoted not to support two men or two women getting married.

We are enjoined not to be afraid, and to have faith, and not to give up. Whether we are a minority or majority, that’s all we have to do.

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I guess I believe if you walk with God, that is that. Reading the Bible, New or Old Testament, whichever you prefer, is a great help in difficult times. Also prayer. I just don’t believe that God will allow a hair on my head (or yours) to be harmed, no matter what happens in this world. This is not to say I don’t think times are hard now for the faith. But as others have noted there were times when Christians were being fed to lions, when Jews were being gassed in ovens, the persecution of the Church in the Soviet Union, behind the Iron Curtain. We at least in the West, Asia, etc. have a cake walk compared to that. Not so much for our Christian brethren in the Middle East, whom we so seldom consider.

I will also say that times of adversity awaken the elect as Catherine of Siena would have it. I think God dispenses grace as you need it. The living waters of Christ flow eternally through you as we speak; the world is temporary. The contrast intensifies.

Reminder re wealth, prosperity, suffering: we often forget the anxiety and suffering associated with spiritual poverty vs. literal poverty. I feel like the Church is getting really tilted to only literal poverty concern, a sort of materialistic piety (socialism by another name). The ‘soulless vision of the world’ brought about by materialism and Western secularism creates many anguished, isolated, near dead souls, each one as much of a concern to Christ as social inequality. And I don’t think the Kingdom of God is essentially making sure we dutifully even out the bread. I am not discounting the poor, but that term, like mercy, has been overused - often just to stigmatize an opponent who disagrees with your point of view (on a subject having nothing to do with mercy or the poor). The best thing we could do for mercy and or the poor is to stop proselytizing about them so much and put that energy into becoming decent Christians in the world (above will then naturally flow from this). Commit to charity, effective reasonable, responsible social programs and polices, domestically, internationally. Why not include adhering to moral teaching here too. (or am I lacking mercy again)

Back on point, Christianity could be on an upswing. I think the election of Trump, Brexit, believe it or not Putin in Russia…there is room for the voice of Christianity to be heard now. Not unlike we hear Islam 24/7. 🙂 Church squabbles could ironically actually help to sort the faith out, rejuvenate it. There is a new ZeitGeist on the horizon. Good not bad.
 
I used too. Then I turned back to God. Now, I dont trust in myself, but I trust in God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit.

The LORD is my shepherd
there is nothing I lack.

In green pastures he makes me lie down;
to still waters he leads me;

he restores my soul.
He guides me along right paths
for the sake of his name.

Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil, for you are with me;
your rod and your staff comfort me.

You set a table before me
in front of my enemies;
You anoint my head with oil;
my cup overflows.

Indeed, goodness and mercy will pursue me
all the days of my life;
I will dwell in the house of the LORD
for endless days.
 
Why would one be scared? Yes, morals cannot forced, but even without religion one still knows right from wrong and can be good people.

Seeing others as “immoral” or as a “threat” means that one needs to look inwards at oneself first.

If your salvation depended on making friends with people, would you judge them so much?
 
That society’s idea of right and wrong is seriously messed up? And how it will get worse as your children grow up?

As a young person, it honestly irritates me to see my peers believing anything. And it also shows us the future of society. I mean it just keeps getting worse and worse.

As parents, how do you deal with this anxiety? I’m mildly comforted by the fact that we have truth on our side, but then again we are becoming the minority.
Not really. I have faith that this is the time and place that God has placed me. And I guess I have to use my talents and skills to do my best to preach the Gospel to those around me. And to live the faith in my everyday life. The only way to change society is by living the faith and being the light of Christ to each person we encounter.
Jesus says many times “Do not be afraid”. He also says “I am with you always, even to the end of time”. So there’s nothing to worry about.
 
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