Door to Door

[Paul_G]

stillsearching:

…I am Catholic, this is a Catholic forum, and I am under no obligation to believe anything the Mormons say. In the meantime, I have been ridiculed and treated with contempt repeatedly by the Mormons on this thread,…This really is intolerable.

Quite right, Catholics don’t have to believe anything latter day saints believe. I haven’t read any LDS comments that suggest that. However, if there is disagreement, please disagree with what we believe, and not what others say we believe. All that does is feed a particular bias, and brings any intellectual exchange to an end.

For the most part the participation on LDS on this board, that I have noticed, has been to try and correct erroneous and misleading information about our believes. Please feel free to disagree with us, tell us were, and how we are wrong on points of doctrine and scripture (I do appreciate that some on this board do just that).

Could you please point out on this thread were you perceive that you have “…been ridiculed and treated with contempt repeatedly by the Mormons on this thread”. I’d just like to see where you are coming from.

Thanks…Paul

 

[Jerusha]

a Mormon

Actually, quite a few. I think the primary problem among the representatives of LDS is BJ. And I have had a lot of problems with people like her.

Missionaries can be turned away politely at the door. There is no need to talk to them, no need to be abusive.

 

[tkdnick]

Jerusha:

Aggressive evangelization alienates.

If aggrssive evangelization is so alientating, how come the LDS are having seemingly good success with that technique?

 

[Jerusha]

seemingly good

seemingly is the key word. According to what I have read, few converts in recent years stay, unless they are returning to their cultural heritage. And, like I suggested before, it might be time for BYU to do some surveys among “Gentiles and Lamanites” as to attitudes towards LDS.

 

[BJ_Colbert]

Actually, quite a few. I think the primary problem among the representatives of LDS is BJ. And I have had a lot of problems with people like her.

Missionaries can be turned away politely at the door. There is no need to talk to them, no need to be abusive.

Jerusha, I am truly sorry for offending you, but I was very hurt by your postings of anti-mormon sites. I was hurt and disgusted to the point of turning weak and nauseous with the hatred put forth by most of them.
I am sorry you have a problem with me personally and that you are judging the whole LDS Church by me and especially by the sites that you have posted. These are distructive and hatefilled websites and are not anything that the LDS Church believes.
Would you agree with anti Catholic websites if I were to post them here for you to read. I did read a little bit of most of each site and it was enough to know that I did not want to read more. They are filthy lies and if I believed half of what they say I would certainly not be LDS. They are not true and it looks to me like that is all you read, otherwise how could you be acquainted with so much hatred.
I do not feel I am being abusive to you, I am trying to understand your fierce hatred of Mormons. You say you can not talk about the abuse you have suffered because of Mormons. I say talk about it, so we can understand your pain and suffering. I would say the evil websites you are reading only contribute to your pain and the warped view you have of Mormons.
I am sorry for any contribution I made to your pain and anger, but I am only trying to defend my faith against the tirade of evil websites you have posted. Sorry, everybody, I just feel that it is unfair to use that wickedness to gain an understanding of my Church. Why would you believe that trash over the actual answers you get from LDS members of this forum? We believe the answers you give about your church, and respect your beliefs. Show the same respect to others that you would have them show to you. BJ

 

[stillsearching]

Actually, quite a few. I think the primary problem among the representatives of LDS is BJ. And I have had a lot of problems with people like her.

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Yes. Because there is no attempt to discuss anything honestly and sincerely. Nothing but anger and aggressive defensiveness.

 

[Jerusha]

I checked, and CA does have an “ignore” function. It works nicely. :dancing:

 

[BJ_Colbert]

stillsearching:

Actually, quite a few. I think the primary problem among the representatives of LDS is BJ. And I have had a lot of problems with people like her.

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Yes. Because there is no attempt to discuss anything honestly and sincerely. Nothing but anger and aggressive defensiveness.

If you bother to check there have been some fair and balanced postings between Catholics and Mormons. It is only when some Catholics post anti mormon lies and rantings that it is impossible to discuss in a very calm manner.
You notice I do not ever bring up anti Catholic things. I do not consider my response to these unfair posts to be angry or aggressive defense. I can not discuss lies because I refuse to read something that does not pertain to my beliefs. Why would I want to discuss dishonesty? I will discuss any honest inquirey, but not anti mormon drivel. So just ask an honest question and do not suppose to know the answer better than the person you are asking.
Sorry you feel as you do, but you obviously see Mormons from the warped view you are getting from these anti-mormon sites and do not want to know the truth about what we believe on the subjects you asked about. So I can not defend against the devil.
Thank goodness I have chosen not to judge Catholics by anti-Catholic websites, because I have gotten some very good answers to my questions and clarified my misinformation about Catholic beliefs.
I love my Catholic husband and my Catholic friends and family. The remarks of anti-mormons in this forum have not caused me to change my opinion. There are thankfully, some really wonderful and Christian Catholics in this forum, who far outweigh the ones who aren’t so kind. Thank you Augustine, Tdknick, Flamesburn, Tamaque, and others who have responded fairly and honestly.

BJ

 

[stillsearching]

BJ Colbert:

stillsearching:

Sorry you feel as you do, but you obviously see Mormons from the warped view you are getting from these anti-mormon sites and do not want to know the truth about what we believe on the subjects you asked about.

BJ

Actually, my views are being very formed by you guys- Casen, Tom and yourself. I knew nothing about Mormonism until three days ago. I’m learning very quickly.

 

[Brad_Haas]

Why are you learning about it?

 

[stillsearching]

Brad Haas:

Why are you learning about it?

So that I can learn what is happening here, write to the Archbishop of San Diego and respectfully request that Catholic Answers cancel this LDS forum. There is a point at which people need to be protected from themselves and a point at which Catholics do not want to be a continual occasion of sin for LDS. Simple enough?

 

[Brad_Haas]

I still don’t understand. Did something make you decide to go to the CA LDS forum just to see if it was bad?

Anyway, internet fora are like that. Perhaps there needs to be stricter moderation here, according to the rules:

Messages posted to this board must be polite and free of personal attacks, threats, and crude or sexually-explicit language, rude comments and innuendo.

Reports of infractions of these rules should be submitted to the moderators by the “Report Post” feature. Just click the http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cak/report.gif image in the problematic post. Use of the private messaging system for problem reports is discouraged.

 

[stillsearching]

Brad Haas:

I still don’t understand. Did something make you decide to go to the CA LDS forum just to see if it was bad?

Anyway, internet fora are like that. Perhaps there needs to be stricter moderation here, according to the rules:

Messages posted to this board must be polite and free of personal attacks, threats, and crude or sexually-explicit language, rude comments and innuendo.

Reports of infractions of these rules should be submitted to the moderators by the “Report Post” feature. Just click the http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cak/report.gif image in the problematic post. Use of the private messaging system for problem reports is discouraged.

No I came here as a convert myself- in RCIA. I checked this forum out of curiosity. I have watched countless Catholics and Mormons both on this forum 1. preach that which is not Catholic, 2. preach that which is truly a hate crime, 3. insult me, 4. and repeatedly, without interference from the moderators, indulge in sarcasm, insults, derogations, distortions. This is not conversion. This is not evangelizing. This is dangerous stuff. This is my opinion, and my opinion and only. Everytime I say anything that states the Catholic view as opposed to the LDS view, I get a conduct warning. Now, the Catholics on this board may find constant insults, bordering even on the obscene directed at the Real Presence and the Virgin Mary, fascinating, or entertaining or they may even find ecumenical. I find it scandalous and inexcuseable. If one is going to put forth wild theories about Nephite angels named moronis and third heavens and new prophets, then one should at least be allowed to answer straight from the Catechism without fear of chastisement from Catholic Answers. Personally I take if very literally when the Lord says not to deny Him. Now is that clear enough or do you need further explanation?

 

[Jerusha]

Still searching-- I think part of the problem is, like you said:

I knew nothing about Mormonism until three days ago. I’m learning very quickly.

This might be the time to be quiet, read, and learn. I think you are jumping into the debate too quickly, knowing very little, and having even less time to process what you have learned. Just a bit of gentle advice.