Dormition of the Virgin Mary/ Transitus Mariae

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I’ve been comparing versions of the materials attributed to Melito of Sardis
and John the Theologian and the others. Not sure if the one attributed to
Melito was an accurate translation of the Transitus Mariae but…
Some state The Holy Mother rose from the tomb and spoke to the apostles.
Some state the tomb was guarded for three days by the Apostles and when
opened was empty.

Questions: which apocrypha is the most referred to for present day teaching and homilies concerning the Dormition
in Eastern Catholicism? In Orthodoxy? In Roman?

Which account- rose from the tomb or disappeared from the tomb?

Which writing is the most widely accepted and which is the oldest?

Do any- Orthodox or Eastern Church hold faith in Thomas’s view of this
occurrence?

Also, while John was on Patmos was the Holy Mother in Cyprus, Ephesus
or Jerusalem and in the care of which apostle at the time?

Thank you.
 
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Also, while John was on Patmos was the Holy Mother in Cyprus, Ephesus
or Jerusalem and in the care of which apostle at the time?
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At this time she was in heaven for some time.
Mary passed away while all the apostles were still alive. When John was exiled on Patmos, I believe he was the only one of the Apostles left alive.
 
marywarfield said:
I’ve been comparing versions of the materials attributed to Melito of Sardis
and John the Theologian and the others. Not sure if the one attributed to
Melito was an accurate translation of the Transitus Mariae but…
Some state The Holy Mother rose from the tomb and spoke to the apostles.
Some state the tomb was guarded for three days by the Apostles and when
opened was empty.

Questions: which apocrypha is the most referred to for present day teaching and homilies concerning the Dormition
in Eastern Catholicism? In Orthodoxy? In Roman?

Which account- rose from the tomb or disappeared from the tomb?

Which writing is the most widely accepted and which is the oldest?

Do any- Orthodox or Eastern Church hold faith in Thomas’s view of this
occurrence?

Also, while John was on Patmos was the Holy Mother in Cyprus, Ephesus
or Jerusalem and in the care of which apostle at the time?

Thank you.
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The oldest text we have of the Transitus Mariae literature is an Armenian book called the Liber Requiei Mariae (English: Book of Mary’s Repose). That is the oldest surviving literature of this kind; there may be other, older ones that have been lost. (Maybe someday older ones will be discovered.) The Liber Requiei Mariae was written by the 300s, probably in the 200s, and possibly earlier. Here is what it says about Mary’s Assumption: “And our Lord said to them: ‘Let them bring the body of Mary into the clouds.’ … And when they arrived together in Paradise, they placed the body of Mary beside the tree of life. And they brought her soul and placed it upon her body. And our Lord dismissed his angels to their places.” (Liber Requiei Mariae 89, as it appears in Shoemaker, Ancient Traditions of Mary’s Dormition and Assumption. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2002. p. 163-164) I don’t know the answer to most of your other questions, but when John was on Patmos, Mary was already assumed into heaven. She is thought to have been assumed in the mid- to late 40s A.D., and John wasn’t exiled to Patmos until the 90s A.D. Plus, he saw her in heaven during one of his visions (Revelation 12:1-5), so that indicates that she was already there.
 
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164)[/indent] I don’t know the answer to most of your other questions, but when John was on Patmos, Mary was already assumed into heaven. She is thought to have been assumed in the mid- to late 40s A.D., and John wasn’t exiled to Patmos until the 90s A.D. Plus, he saw her in heaven during one of his visions (Revelation 12:1-5), so that indicates that she was already there.
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Jeez I knew that. Lol. My mind is stuck.
 
I have now managed to view several of the links here
and I thank you.
My husband is a dyed in the wool Roman Catholic.
Last night I read to him the Transitus Mariae according
to John the Theologian. And he said yeah I knew all
that.
That story of “witnesses”, Apostlic guarding, the
man having the withered hands, the empty tomb- none
of this is widely proclaimed in the Roman Church yet
most of us older Romans just “know it” either from
the nuns in Catechism or homilies which gently
refer to it. And I think it’s too bad that although
most Catholics are “aware” of it, it is not as strongly
known in Western as Eastern.

The same thing with the Protoevangelium of
James as mentioned earlier in the thread. While
the poster was incorrect- it doesnt touch on the Assumption
as it concerns itself with the Annunciation and Nativity-
again I believe it is sad not to be more strongly
encouraged as at least a review. For there is nothing in
that Gospel that is contrary to faith, we are not
discouraged from believing it true but more to the
point we also know all of it already in the West- we just do.
It is simply Luke in incredible detail.
 
Hi, I’m new to this and don’t know how much credence any of you put on visions but in the Poem of the Man God by Maria Valtorta there is an amazing detail of Mary’s Assumption. BTW Pope Pius XII said to publish the books of Maria Valtorta as they were written. There have been attempts to discredit them since then…
 
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