Dos God have will?

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  1. Will is the mental faculty by which one deliberately chooses or decides upon a course of action toward absolute truth
  2. God is absolute truth
  3. God has no will
 
Bahman said:
  1. Will is the mental faculty by which one deliberately chooses or decides upon a course of action toward absolute truth
  2. God is absolute truth
  3. God has no will
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Then was Jesus talking nonsense when He said, “Not my will but thine be done.”?
 
Bahman said:
  1. Will is the mental faculty by which one deliberately chooses or decides upon a course of action toward absolute truth
  2. God is absolute truth
  3. God has no will
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No 1 only applies to man. In God there is no potentiality, his Will is immediate. The Catholic Church teaches De Fide that God has a Will and that he wills the Good without discursive reasoning.

This is seen in the fact that man, created by God, has a will. Since man has a will, God, his creator has a will, but it is not discursive will.

Linus2nd
 
Many would say that god has the perfect will: unchangeable and eternal.
Therefore, he has no will as we would understand the word. After all, our will is highly volatile and impermanent.

If everything we can perceive is god’s will, then we have no conception of anything that is not god’s will.
God’s will is then the governing force in the universe. You might say god IS will. He/she/it is consciousness, awareness and purpose in perfect form.

If the stars are god’s will, then so am I.

Comforting thought. If it’s true.
 
Linusthe2nd said:
No 1 only applies to man. In God there is no potentiality, his Will is immediate.
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Immediate toward where and what?
Linusthe2nd said:
The Catholic Church teaches De Fide that God has a Will and that he wills the Good without discursive reasoning.
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Then I have two other question: 1) Is God’s will is free? 2) Why God created man with free will knowing that the outcome is evil?
Linusthe2nd said:
This is seen in the fact that man, created by God, has a will. Since man has a will, God, his creator has a will, but it is not discursive will.
Linus2nd
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Creation for what purpose? God is complete since it is absolute truth and absolute truth turns to be not complete prior to creation since it was potentially needed to complete the absolute truth hence the absolute truth is not complete as far as there is any changes.
 
hansard said:
Many would say that god has the perfect will: unchangeable and eternal.
Therefore, he has no will as we would understand the word. After all, our will is highly volatile and impermanent.
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What do you mean by perfect? Will is will anyway.
hansard said:
God’s will is then the governing force in the universe. You might say god IS will. He/she/it is consciousness, awareness and purpose in perfect form.
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What do you mean with perfect form? Form is form anyway.
 
DaveBj said:
Then was Jesus talking nonsense when He said, “Not my will but thine be done.”?
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Trying to discuss the will of God with a Mohammedan is like trying to talk to a rock.

Good luck, my friend. 😉
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linusthe2nd said:
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No 1 only applies to man. In God there is no potentiality, His will is immediate. The Catholic Church teaches de fide that God has a will and that He wills the good without discursive reasoning.

This is seen in the fact that man, created by God, has a will. Since man has a will, God his creator has a will, but it is not discursive will.

Linus2nd
pancras said:
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Trying to discuss the will of God with a Mohammedan is like trying to talk to a rock.

Good luck, my friend. 😉

The platform has started to eliminate capital letters inside quote boxes. Must be a new script put into effect this morning, May 26th, 2014, Memorial Day.
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You’re too good for me, Bahman. Got me on every point.

Nice chatting, though. It’s been real.
 
Pancras said:
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No 1 only applies to man. In God there is no potentiality, His will is immediate. The Catholic Church teaches de fide that God has a will and that He wills the good without discursive reasoning.

This is seen in the fact that man, created by God, has a will. Since man has a will, God his creator has a will, but it is not discursive will.

Linus2nd

Trying to discuss the will of God with a Mohammedan is like trying to talk to a rock.

Good luck, my friend. 😉

The platform has started to eliminate capital letters inside quote boxes. Must be a new script put into effect this morning, May 26th, 2014, Memorial Day.
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I am not a Muslim.
 
Bahman said:
Immediate toward where and what?
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Man’s intellect is discursive, he has to think things over. It moves from potentially knowing something to actually knowing something. And his will judges the truth of the conclusion.

God does not use discursive reasoning. He knows all things without having to think things over. He knows them " immediately. " And his will confirms that what he knows is true. Actually, in God, his existence, his intellect, his knowledge, his will, etc are all one, they are who he is. In God there is no movement from potentiality to actuality. He is and he knows, he is and he wills, etc.
Then I have two other question: 1) Is God’s will is free? 2) Why God created man with free will knowing that the outcome is evil?
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Yes, God’s will is free. God created man to do his will, but he left him free to obey or disobey. Evil occurs when man disobeys what he knows is true.
Creation for what purpose? God is complete since it is absolute truth and absolute truth turns to be not complete prior to creation since it was potentially needed to complete the absolute truth hence the absolute truth is not complete as far as there is any changes.
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It is true God is complete and content in himself. But he created man to show forth his glory and power. Creating man does not entail any change or imply any defect in God. Man ;and all of creation display God’s power and glory. And while man can do evil things, God will make all things good in the end, in the end all things will complete His Plan for them.

Why don’t you read the Catechism of the Catholic Church. It explains all this and all the things you have been asking, It is online and free.

Linus2nd
 
Linusthe2nd said:
Man’s intellect is discursive, he has to think things over. It moves from potentially knowing something to actually knowing something. And his will judges the truth of the conclusion.

God does not use discursive reasoning. He knows all things without having to think things over. He knows them " immediately. " And his will confirms that what he knows is true. Actually, in God, his existence, his intellect, his knowledge, his will, etc are all one, they are who he is. In God there is no movement from potentiality to actuality. He is and he knows, he is and he wills, etc.
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That I knew. My main question is that we clearly see changes in state of existence if we accept there was a beginning, beginning of creation, hence there must be a potentiality toward existence that it does not exist in creation itself hence it has to be caused by God, namely in on decision “be so here it is”. My question is when there was no creation but God, God is complete so what was missing?
 
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