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Akiliane
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Does anyone know anything about the Saint Joseph new catholic edition confraternity douay rheims? copyright 1962… Copyright 1957-1949…
Is it a good translation?
Is it a good translation?
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Tous_Logous
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Here is information about the Douay-Rheims Bible: newadvent.org/cathen/05140a.htm
And here is information about the Confraternity Version: bible-researcher.com/confraternity.html
Finally, there is more information for both translations and other Catholic translations here: ewtn.com/expert/answers/bible_versions.htm
I personally like the Douay Rheims/Confraternity version because they are English translations of the Latin Vulgate. The only problem I find with the original Douay-Rheims translation (not the Challoner Revision) is that sometimes, the literal translation from Latin to English does not read in “proper” English. It’s a great translation for devotional reading, free from modernist/liberal interpretations.
The Confraternity Bibles are quite common in thrift and secondhand used stores. I have 2 Confraternity Bibles and 1 Douay-Rheims Bible, and I’m getting a pocket Confraternity NT similar to the one in your picture (is that yours? I’d be interested in seeing more pictures of what it looks like inside if that’s the case). It’s too bad that the Old Testament books were never newly translated due to starting the new English translation for the New American Bible.
And here is information about the Confraternity Version: bible-researcher.com/confraternity.html
Finally, there is more information for both translations and other Catholic translations here: ewtn.com/expert/answers/bible_versions.htm
I personally like the Douay Rheims/Confraternity version because they are English translations of the Latin Vulgate. The only problem I find with the original Douay-Rheims translation (not the Challoner Revision) is that sometimes, the literal translation from Latin to English does not read in “proper” English. It’s a great translation for devotional reading, free from modernist/liberal interpretations.
The Confraternity Bibles are quite common in thrift and secondhand used stores. I have 2 Confraternity Bibles and 1 Douay-Rheims Bible, and I’m getting a pocket Confraternity NT similar to the one in your picture (is that yours? I’d be interested in seeing more pictures of what it looks like inside if that’s the case). It’s too bad that the Old Testament books were never newly translated due to starting the new English translation for the New American Bible.
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sousley
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I have a similar one published by the Catholic Book Publishing Co. (copyright 1954); I had to look closer because I thought it was identical right down to the single red ribbon. Mine is:
OT- Douay except the first 8 books (Confraternity) and Psalms (translation from the new Vulgate) approved by Pope Pius XII.
NT- Revision of Rheims by the Confraternity of Christian Doctrine.
I like mine very much (illustrated). I found this one at a used book store for $2 and wished that I had 5 of them (although I have no idea why).
OT- Douay except the first 8 books (Confraternity) and Psalms (translation from the new Vulgate) approved by Pope Pius XII.
NT- Revision of Rheims by the Confraternity of Christian Doctrine.
I like mine very much (illustrated). I found this one at a used book store for $2 and wished that I had 5 of them (although I have no idea why).
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Akiliane
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The one in the Photo is not mine… I just ordered one on ebay, but it hasn’t arrived yet… But when it does arrive I will be sure to upload photos for you…
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Prayer_Warrior
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I just bought the pictured bible because someone on these forums was raving about the Confraternity Version being his favorite. I trust this particular forum member, so I bought it on ebay for $15. I have to say that so far, I love the translation, and wish I would have bought a long time ago. The one that is pictured in the OP has many illustration pages which I really don’t need, but a lot of people like them, I guess. Like many members here, I have a lot of different translations. I have always understood that the DRV is considered a highly accurate, if not the most accurate, English Bible. However, I have struggled to read it for long term study because of the language. I feel this bible retains that accuracy but is much more readable (for me) than the DRV. Again, I just bought it, so I’m not overly familiar with it, but I like it so far.
I don’t think there is an online version of this bible so if you have any questions about particular verses, please let me know. I’d be happy to post them…
I don’t think there is an online version of this bible so if you have any questions about particular verses, please let me know. I’d be happy to post them…
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Marysann
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The Douay Confraternity translation is wonderful, and you are lucky that you have found one in good condition. I also bought mine on e-bay, and when you live overseas it is not easy to win an e-bay auction. The time that the bidding ends is always in the middle of the night for me! However, I was lucky enough to get my beautiful Confraternity Bible. It is the translation which was used for the scripture readings at Mass when I was a child in the 1950’s. It has the dignity of the Douay Rheims, but the vocabulary is twentieth century. This translation was sponsored by the American Catholic bishops. Too bad they didn’t stick with it.
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johnnyc176
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Try and find the 1950 edition. That has the Douay version of all the books of the OT.I have a similar one published by the Catholic Book Publishing Co. (copyright 1954); I had to look closer because I thought it was identical right down to the single red ribbon. Mine is:
OT- Douay except the first 8 books (Confraternity) and Psalms (translation from the new Vulgate) approved by Pope Pius XII.
NT- Revision of Rheims by the Confraternity of Christian Doctrine.
I like mine very much (illustrated). I found this one at a used book store for $2 and wished that I had 5 of them (although I have no idea why).
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Louishacker
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If anyone would like to read St. Jerome’s Latin Vulgate translation, you can read it free here:
speedbible.com/vulgate/
speedbible.com/vulgate/
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tvknight415
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The differences in the years of the St. Joseph New Catholic Edition Confraternity Bible mainly determine which books of the Old Testament are Douay translated and which are Confraternity Translated, and which psalms are used. All have the same translation of the NT.
1948-52: All Douay OT, Psalms from the New Latin Psalter of Pius XII
53-54: First 8 books of the OT are Confraternity, Psalms still Pius XII psalms
55-61: First 8 books and 7 Sapiental (Job-Sirach/Psalms are now Confraternity) are Confraternity
62-69: First 8 books, 7 Sapiental, and 18 prophetic books are Confraternity.
The Confraternity translations of the Old Testament books are primarily those used in the 1970 NAB, with the exception of Genesis, which was a unique to the 54-69 Confraternity Bibles.
It’s definitely a solid translation. Personally, I’d go either 54 and earlier for the New Latin Psalter, or post 62 for as much of the NT in the Confraternity as was published in a Confraternity Bible. But, no matter which edition it is, they don’t hang around the local Goodwill too long when donated (as opposed to NABs, which sit and sit and then end up on the bargain shelf).
For art, some have Gustav Dore woodcarvings in B/W; others have color art.
Confraternity NT uses some archaic English - not as much as the Rheims NT, but certainly more than the RSV-CE 1st edition. I think it’s probably the nicest balance between having the thees, thys, and thous without them getting in the way.
While I have other translations that I have a stronger sentimental attachment to (like my Douay confirmation Bible), if I didn’t have a particular sentimental copy that I would keep no matter what, I would pick the Confraternity as my choice if I could only have one.
Fortunately for my RSV-2CE, NABRE, JB, NJB, Knox, and DR, I don’t have to have just one.
1948-52: All Douay OT, Psalms from the New Latin Psalter of Pius XII
53-54: First 8 books of the OT are Confraternity, Psalms still Pius XII psalms
55-61: First 8 books and 7 Sapiental (Job-Sirach/Psalms are now Confraternity) are Confraternity
62-69: First 8 books, 7 Sapiental, and 18 prophetic books are Confraternity.
The Confraternity translations of the Old Testament books are primarily those used in the 1970 NAB, with the exception of Genesis, which was a unique to the 54-69 Confraternity Bibles.
It’s definitely a solid translation. Personally, I’d go either 54 and earlier for the New Latin Psalter, or post 62 for as much of the NT in the Confraternity as was published in a Confraternity Bible. But, no matter which edition it is, they don’t hang around the local Goodwill too long when donated (as opposed to NABs, which sit and sit and then end up on the bargain shelf).
For art, some have Gustav Dore woodcarvings in B/W; others have color art.
Confraternity NT uses some archaic English - not as much as the Rheims NT, but certainly more than the RSV-CE 1st edition. I think it’s probably the nicest balance between having the thees, thys, and thous without them getting in the way.
While I have other translations that I have a stronger sentimental attachment to (like my Douay confirmation Bible), if I didn’t have a particular sentimental copy that I would keep no matter what, I would pick the Confraternity as my choice if I could only have one.
Fortunately for my RSV-2CE, NABRE, JB, NJB, Knox, and DR, I don’t have to have just one.
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Akiliane
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Does the book of Psalm read with “Old English” or modern english?
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tvknight415
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It would depend on the publisher and year. Generally, if it’s using the Douay Psalms, it will be the most ‘Old English’. If you buy one of the Catholic Book Publishing Company versions with the psalms from the New Latin Psalter approved by Pope Pius XII they will also have Old English, but perhaps not as strong as a Douay. If you have the Confraternity version, generally they are fairly modern English.
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Prayer_Warrior
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The one I have was published in 1962, and it is definitely not Old English. I did see the use of the word you instead of thee. I was very disappointed to learn (after purchase) that the Psalms use the word ‘happy’ rather than ‘blessed’. I greatly prefer the word ‘blessed’. Other than that, the few Psalms that I have read so far are lovely and easy to understand.
From Psalm 23 (which is numbered 22 in this Bible)
The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want. In verdant pastures He gives me repose, beside restful waters, He leads me. He refreshes my soul. He guides me in right paths for His name’s sake. Even though I walk in the dark valley I fear no evil; for you are at my side with your rod and your staff that give me courage……
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Jerry-Jet
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They started using the word “happy” instead of “blessed” in 1955. if you want a Douay Confraternity bible with “blessed” get one from 1954 and earlier.
My favorite Douay Confraternity Bibles are from 1954–they have a new translation of the first eight books of the bible but the Psalms aren’t in my opinion messed up yet at that time.
My favorite of all is a “Light of the World Edition” bible from 1954–I like its Psalms the best of any Catholic version of the Psalms.
There are a lot of different versions of the Psalms in Catholic bibles between 1945 and 1954–the differences are minor but there are differences–just check them out and pick the one you like the best.
I really believe that Douay Confraternity bibles between 1945 and 1954 are the best Catholic bibles you can get.
I’m a convert–I didn’t grow up with these bibles but I discovered them looking for "Catholic"bibles when I wasn’t completely satisfied with the NABRE or the Jerusalem Bible or the The New Jerusalem Bible.
These bibles are easy to find on the internet. Try one out!
My favorite Douay Confraternity Bibles are from 1954–they have a new translation of the first eight books of the bible but the Psalms aren’t in my opinion messed up yet at that time.
My favorite of all is a “Light of the World Edition” bible from 1954–I like its Psalms the best of any Catholic version of the Psalms.
There are a lot of different versions of the Psalms in Catholic bibles between 1945 and 1954–the differences are minor but there are differences–just check them out and pick the one you like the best.
I really believe that Douay Confraternity bibles between 1945 and 1954 are the best Catholic bibles you can get.
I’m a convert–I didn’t grow up with these bibles but I discovered them looking for "Catholic"bibles when I wasn’t completely satisfied with the NABRE or the Jerusalem Bible or the The New Jerusalem Bible.
These bibles are easy to find on the internet. Try one out!
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Prayer_Warrior
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Yes, I learned about the “happy” versus “blessed” issue about two days after I ordered the 1962 version. In fact, I ordered the 1954 “Light of the World” version about a week ago, after seeing your positive comments on another Bible thread. I haven’t received it yet, but eagerly awaiting it.
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