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JeanneH
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Hi,
Yes, the Psalms in the DR are in a different order. If you are looking for Psalm 23 in the DR you will find it at Psalm 22 and so on. You will find Psalm 27 at Psalm 26 in the DR.
Jeanne
Yes, the Psalms in the DR are in a different order. If you are looking for Psalm 23 in the DR you will find it at Psalm 22 and so on. You will find Psalm 27 at Psalm 26 in the DR.
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Mattjolley
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They are Psalm 22 and 26 respectively, this is due to the Douay’s Psalm numbering following that of the Vulgate, which follows the Greek. For more detail, here’s what the CTS New Catholic Bible says in its introduction to the Psalms:
The Psalms were originally written in Hebrew and translated centuries later into Greek. For that translation the Hebrew Psalms 9 and 10 and the Hebrew Psalms 114 and 115 were each joined into one, but conversely the Hebrew Psalms 116 and 147 were divided into two. This means that from 10 to 148 the Hebrew numbering is one higher that that of the Greek. Catholic writing and liturgy follows the Greek, on the whole, as does the Vulgate, while protestant writing and liturgy revert to the original Hebrew numbering.
There you go, hence why the famous shepherd Psalm is Psalm 22 and not 23 for us Catholics!
Matt
The Psalms were originally written in Hebrew and translated centuries later into Greek. For that translation the Hebrew Psalms 9 and 10 and the Hebrew Psalms 114 and 115 were each joined into one, but conversely the Hebrew Psalms 116 and 147 were divided into two. This means that from 10 to 148 the Hebrew numbering is one higher that that of the Greek. Catholic writing and liturgy follows the Greek, on the whole, as does the Vulgate, while protestant writing and liturgy revert to the original Hebrew numbering.
There you go, hence why the famous shepherd Psalm is Psalm 22 and not 23 for us Catholics!
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AmbroseSJ
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Except in the protestantized NAB it is Psalm 23!
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Mattjolley
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Oh, and the RSV does I think!
Although In the Second edition it has the Vulgate/Greek numbering in brackets. Humph.
My CTS Bible has the Hebrew rightly in brackets whilst favouring the Greek numbering according to Church Liturgy
Although In the Second edition it has the Vulgate/Greek numbering in brackets. Humph.
My CTS Bible has the Hebrew rightly in brackets whilst favouring the Greek numbering according to Church Liturgy
The RSV Catholic Edition in all its incarnations has the Greek numbering in brackets. Of course, having been translated from the Hebrew (as was the NAB, so the numbering is NOT a protestantization), we naturally expect the numbering to follow that of the source text used.Oh, and the RSV does I think!
Although In the Second edition it has the Vulgate/Greek numbering in brackets. Humph.
My CTS Bible has the Hebrew rightly in brackets whilst favouring the Greek numbering according to Church Liturgy
I would expect the DR, having been translated from the Latin, to follow the Latin numbering and not have it any other way.
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Mattjolley
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Oh yeah, I never really stood and thought of it objectively before haha! You make a good point about the source texts, Porthos!
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RosaryGirl_777
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In my RSV-CE the Famous Shepard psalm is psalms 23. Same with my NAB.Oh, and the RSV does I think!
Although In the Second edition it has the Vulgate/Greek numbering in brackets. Humph.
My CTS Bible has the Hebrew rightly in brackets whilst favouring the Greek numbering according to Church Liturgy
Thanks guys for the explanation I was really confused since I was raised Protestant 
I’ve never heard of the CTS Bible, it sounds like a cool Bible
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Mattjolley
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CTS’s New Catholic Bible is the only English edition that contains exactly the same Scripture text as used in the Catholic Liturgy.
It was designed to help people understand the word of God in the Mass and the Sacraments, and contains indexes and notes to help the reader find the daily Mass readings and get a deeper understanding of them.
For more information, have a look here:
cts-online.org.uk/acatalog/Our_Products_CTS_New_Catholic_Bible_21.html
Click the ‘Info’ button on any of the Versions of the CTS Bible on the page, to get a better idea of its features. Oh, and I have their .pdf brochure for the Bible. If you’d like me to email it to you just PM me with your address. Hope this has been some use to you, RosaryGirl_777!
Matt
It was designed to help people understand the word of God in the Mass and the Sacraments, and contains indexes and notes to help the reader find the daily Mass readings and get a deeper understanding of them.
For more information, have a look here:
cts-online.org.uk/acatalog/Our_Products_CTS_New_Catholic_Bible_21.html
Click the ‘Info’ button on any of the Versions of the CTS Bible on the page, to get a better idea of its features. Oh, and I have their .pdf brochure for the Bible. If you’d like me to email it to you just PM me with your address. Hope this has been some use to you, RosaryGirl_777!
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RosaryGirl_777
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This looks like a very cool Bible. I’ve been wanting a Bible that matches the mass readings, Thought the NAB would be it, but it wasn’t.
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Mattjolley
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Just making sure you know, the text matches the UK mass readings, not the U.S. Its still a great tool to have to be able to look up any day’s readings in your bible whilst ‘on the go’. Even better for those of us who live in the UK
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AmbroseSJ
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No not the numbering, just the notes.
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RosaryGirl_777
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Thats good to know thanks, still love to get one thoughJust making sure you know, the text matches the UK mass readings, not the U.S. Its still a great tool to have to be able to look up any day’s readings in your bible whilst ‘on the go’. Even better for those of us who live in the UK
Matt
Wonder if they make a US version yet?
Do they have a version of this Bible online to read?
Well, my guess is that Protestants will also run screaming from the NAB notes as well.No not the numbering, just the notes.
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tobinatorstark
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I personally like the Psalms and the way they are numbered in the Douay-Rheims. From what I have seen and actually read (the Psalms themselves) the NAB is the worst at the Pslams. BTW the CTS Bible is the Jerusalem Bible with Grail Psalms
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Mattjolley
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I must say I’m quite comfortable with the Grail Psalms, probably because I have been raised on them in the liturgy here in England.
I believe they have been revised and updated for the NAB? Do they now have inclusive language? I’m sure I read that they do somewhere. What butchery, if so.
The original Grail Psalms are quite beautiful in places
Don’t worry, tobinatorstark, I’m still partial to the Douay’s Psalms when I put my CTS bible down
Matt
I believe they have been revised and updated for the NAB? Do they now have inclusive language? I’m sure I read that they do somewhere. What butchery, if so.
The original Grail Psalms are quite beautiful in places
Don’t worry, tobinatorstark, I’m still partial to the Douay’s Psalms when I put my CTS bible down
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Mattjolley
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I’m afraid not. You can’t even get the Original Jerusalem Bible (that makes up the CTS Bible’s text apart from the Psalms) online.Thats good to know thanks, still love to get one though
Wonder if they make a US version yet?
Do they have a version of this Bible online to read?
Oh and tobinatorstark, sorry I didn’t mention the fact the CTS is the JB and Grail texts in my description of it. I guess it would be more helpful if I did, so people don’t think its an altogether new translation!
Anyway I’m sure RosaryGirl knows by now since I sent her the CTS Brochure
As a side note, what do you think of the Jerusalem Bible, tobinatorstark? I personally like it, but the use of ‘Yahweh’ always got on my nerves when I read my Original Copy.
So I was thrilled when they brought out the CTS as its text now matches our English Lectionary word-for-word.
Maybe I’m opening a can of worms here, since I know you aren’t so keen on more ‘modern’ versions like the RSV.(Then again, the RSV is rooted in Protestantism, something I myself struggle to see past no matter how often I try to read from it!)
I’m just curious as to what you think of the JB!
I know it has its flaws, E/G “Rejoice, So Highly Favoured!” For Lk1:28 
However, on the whole it is a nice translation and seems renowned for its mix of readability and reverence. You could excuse Lk 1:28 somewhat in the light of this quote from Bible-Researcher.Com about the JB:
“The translation is little influenced by dogma (if at all), and even the annotations are of an ecumenical-scholarly character. This is a consequence of the fact that the scholars who produced both the French and the English versions were guided by the same principles of modern secular scholarship that many Protestant scholars have adopted in the more liberal theological schools”
I don’t know, it still got an Imprimatur and has been used since 1966 by the English churches, so even though its translators were not influenced by the Magisterium, it must still be doing something right!
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tobinatorstark
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I like most of it. The Pslams weren’t the best in my opinion. I still prefer the Douay Psalms over anything. Luke 1:28 is my biggest pet peeve in any translation. Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women not Hail favored one or rejoice so highly favored the Lord is with you. It absolutely needs at the end blessed are you among women. Just because it say blessed are you among women in Luke 1:42 doesn’t make it alright to exclude it from 1:28. Other than that I think it is a good translation for beginners. I have an old JB NT at home fromt the 1960’sI’m afraid not. You can’t even get the Original Jerusalem Bible (that makes up the CTS Bible’s text apart from the Psalms) online.
Oh and tobinatorstark, sorry I didn’t mention the fact the CTS is the JB and Grail texts in my description of it. I guess it would be more helpful if I did, so people don’t think its an altogether new translation!
Anyway I’m sure RosaryGirl knows by now since I sent her the CTS Brochure
As a side note, what do you think of the Jerusalem Bible, tobinatorstark? I personally like it, but the use of ‘Yahweh’ always got on my nerves when I read my Original Copy.
So I was thrilled when they brought out the CTS as its text now matches our English Lectionary word-for-word.
Maybe I’m opening a can of worms here, since I know you aren’t so keen on more ‘modern’ versions like the RSV.(Then again, the RSV is rooted in Protestantism, something I myself struggle to see past no matter how often I try to read from it!)
I’m just curious as to what you think of the JB!
However, on the whole it is a nice translation and seems renowned for its mix of readability and reverence. You could excuse Lk 1:28 somewhat in the light of this quote from Bible-Researcher.Com about the JB:
“The translation is little influenced by dogma (if at all), and even the annotations are of an ecumenical-scholarly character. This is a consequence of the fact that the scholars who produced both the French and the English versions were guided by the same principles of modern secular scholarship that many Protestant scholars have adopted in the more liberal theological schools”
I don’t know, it still got an Imprimatur and has been used since 1966 by the English churches, so even though its translators were not influenced by the Magisterium, it must still be doing something right!
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Manfred
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Toby,
The Psalms as they were published in the original 1970 NAB, NOT the 1991 inclusive-language version, are actually rather good; they are still the version we use in the liturgy in the USA. The 1991 inclusive-language wreck was prohibited for liturgical use BY THE VATICAN ITSELF, Deo gratias.
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Zooey
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The different numbeing drove me a littleIn my RSV-CE the Famous Shepard psalm is psalms 23. Same with my NAB.
I’ve never heard of the CTS Bible, it sounds like a cool Bible
crazy, because I have a dyslexia-like problem with numbers…I can get totally confused (like when the time changes, I 
set half the clocks forward & half back, because I never know which way is right…). I finally sat down with a pencil with a nice sharp point, and my RSV-CE and DR, and re-numbered the Psalms in the DR to match the RSV-CE.Now, I can read without worrying about the numbers!
Now,if they would just come up with something for setting clocks, life would be A-OK.
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