Douay-Rheims Version?

[William1964]

The one thing that keeps me going back to the D.R. is the fact that part of the book of Tobit is missing in all the other Catholic versions of the bible.

One of my favorite Verses:

Tobias 3:21-23:

“But this every one is sure of that worshippeth thee, that his life, if it be under trial, shall be crowned: and if it be under tribulation, if shall be delivered: and if it be under correction, it shall be allowed to come to thy mercy.
For thou art not delighted in ouir being lost: because after a storm thou makest a calm, and after tears and weeping thou pourest in joyfulness. Be thy name. O God of Israel, blessed forever.”

Why is it not in other Catholic versions?

 

[Jacafamala]

By modernize, how about just update the text into modern English?

Then you lose the poetry. It would be like translating Shakespeare into modern English. You would lose the beauty of the way the words are expressed.

 

[tobinatorstark]

By modernize, how about just update the text into modern English?

Then you lose the poetry. It would be like translating Shakespeare into modern English. You would lose the beauty of the way the words are expressed.

Basically this what I was thinking. Some meanings I feel would get misintrepeted. If it was going to get modernized it would have done so serveral times since the Challoner came out

 

[mccorm45]

I apologize if this was already mentioned somewhere, but Tan Books/St. Benedict Press is releasing a new edition of the old Douay-Rheims this coming August. It is suppose to come in different covers, including genuine leather. It will also be a red letter edition, with new New Testament maps. So, if you are looking to get a Douay-Rheims, this might be for you.

catholicbibles.blogspot.com/2009/07/new-douay-rheims-from-tan.html

 

[tobinatorstark]

I apologize if this was already mentioned somewhere, but Tan Books/St. Benedict Press is releasing a new edition of the old Douay-Rheims this coming August. It is suppose to come in different covers, including genuine leather. It will also be a red letter edition, with new New Testament maps. So, if you are looking to get a Douay-Rheims, this might be for you.

catholicbibles.blogspot.com/2009/07/new-douay-rheims-from-tan.html

yes I have been to the St. Benedict Press website. Not too shabby

 

[AmbroseSJ]

yes I have been to the St. Benedict Press website. Not too shabby

I only wish they were a little more precise about the text itself. They say it is Challoner’s, but is it his own original, and if so which version (he revised himself several times.) Is this taken word for word from a still later text? Where do the notes come from? Are they from Haydock’s Bible? Is this possibly a reprint of one of Haydock’s Bibles? But booksellers always seem to gloss over these details as unimportant. That wasn’t always true of course, but in today’s world of no one ever asking these questions, it seems to be the norm.

 

[CalCatholic]

Why a “work-in-progress”? Because it doesn’t fully correct what needs correcting. A few examples:

Liturgiam Authenticam indicated “Amen, amen, I say to you…” is the way many of Jesus’ declarations should be introduced, as opposed to “Truly, truly, I say to you…”

Luke 1:34 - “How can this be, since I have no husband?” HORRIBLE rendering!!! Better: “How shall this be done, since I know not man?”

In two places in Hebrews, Jesus is referred to as a “pioneer” in the RSV-CE. (Think Americans in covered wagons heading West.) Why not “author”?

“The two shall become one.” Er, what happened to the word “flesh” at the end of the sentence?

In 1 Cor 9:5, why not “… a woman, a sister…”, as the Greek has it?

OK?

So it seems the RSV-2CE’s two biggest claims to fame are that it took out the thee/thou/thine form (big whoop!) and it is used in a Lectionary in ONE small nation. Gee, I’m impressed. (Not.)

These are your opinions, I’ve read Liturgiam Authenticam and I did not see your examples mentioned in the text. Again we can take any translation go over it verse by verse and find verses that we think could have been rendered better. Even then we would disagree on those verses. So I think it is silly to call a translation a ‘work in progress’ when it is your opinion that there are some verses that could have been rendered better. Because if that is the case then there are a lot of ‘works in progress’ out there, including the translation that you like best.

 

[Ron_Conte]

The one thing that keeps me going back to the D.R. is the fact that part of the book of Tobit is missing in all the other Catholic versions of the bible.

One of my favorite Verses:

Tobias 3:21-23:

“But this every one is sure of that worshippeth thee, that his life, if it be under trial, shall be crowned: and if it be under tribulation, if shall be delivered: and if it be under correction, it shall be allowed to come to thy mercy.
For thou art not delighted in ouir being lost: because after a storm thou makest a calm, and after tears and weeping thou pourest in joyfulness. Be thy name. O God of Israel, blessed forever.”

Why is it not in other Catholic versions?

CPDV:
{3:21} But all who worship you are certain of this: that one’s life, if it should be tested, shall be crowned, and if it should be in tribulation, shall be delivered, and if it should be corrected, shall be permitted to approach your mercy.
{3:22} For you are not delighted with our perdition. For, after a storm, you create tranquility, and after tears and weeping, you pour out exultation.
{3:23} May your name, O God of Israel, be blessed forever.”

The Council of Trent not only taught infallibly which books of the Bible are inspired, but also taught infallibly that they are inspired in all their parts, as found in the old latin vulgate (i.e. the Latin Scriptural tradition). So in my opinion it is contrary to the teaching of the Council of Trent to drop verses from the Bible, regardless of the scholarly reason.

But if any one receive not, as sacred and canonical, the said books entire with all their parts, as they have been used to be read in the Catholic Church, and as they are contained in the old Latin vulgate edition; and knowingly and deliberately contemn the traditions aforesaid; let him be anathema.

 

[Ron_Conte]

I only wish they were a little more precise about the text itself. They say it is Challoner’s, but is it his own original, and if so which version (he revised himself several times.) Is this taken word for word from a still later text? Where do the notes come from? Are they from Haydock’s Bible? Is this possibly a reprint of one of Haydock’s Bibles? But booksellers always seem to gloss over these details as unimportant. That wasn’t always true of course, but in today’s world of no one ever asking these questions, it seems to be the norm.

The Baronius Press edition, which I have, is the 1899 Baltimore edit of Challoner DR. This is one of the more likely editions to be used by TAN, since it is out of copyright and readily available, and the English is updated somewhat from the 1700s editions.
baroniuspress.com/category.php?wid=58&cid=1

 

[erikd]

The Council of Trent not only taught infallibly which books of the Bible are inspired, but also taught infallibly that they are inspired in all their parts, as found in the old latin vulgate (i.e. the Latin Scriptural tradition). So in my opinion it is contrary to the teaching of the Council of Trent to drop verses from the Bible, regardless of the scholarly reason.

Ron:

Do you know, or do you have any web resources for info as to why the NAB reading of this chapter of Tobit is so different from the Douey Rheims?