Double first cousins

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well regular first cousins aren’t allowed to marry, so I can’t imagine why double first cousins would be.
 
Of course they can marry. They cannot, however, marry one another. 😛
 
What are “double first cousins?”

If they share a grandparent they are cousins.

If they share a great-grandparent they are second cousins

If one’s grandparent is the other’s great-grandparent, they are first cousins once removed.

Would “double first cousins” be people who share two grandparents?

Also, do you live in Arkansas? :rolleyes:

Alan
 
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AlanFromWichita:
Would “double first cousins” be people who share two grandparents?
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My Mom’s mother and her sister married two brothers. So both her aunt and her uncle were in this case not just related by marriage, but both were blood relatives also (instead of just one being a blood relative which is the normal situation).

So the aunt & uncle’s children were “double cousins” to my Mom and her brother/sisters.
 
Alan,

double first cousins are the result of a pair of sisters marrying a pair of brothers. Thus your cousin is both your cousin on your dad’s side and on your mom’s side.
 
Is there any prohibition in canon law against marrying close relatives, or is it merely a issue for the local political jurisdiction?
 
Dear Ray and Minerva,

Thanks for the info! That clears it up. 👍

Alan
 
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Is there any prohibition in canon law against marrying close relatives, or is it merely a issue for the local political jurisdiction?
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Yes… Canon 1091, which is stricter than most civil laws.

Canon 1078 limits which relationships can get a dispensation.

Canon 108 defines how relationships (“consanguinity”) are calculated.
 
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Of course they can marry. They cannot, however, marry one another.
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Are you sure about that? I’m fairly sure that they can, though a dispensation would be required. It’s been a number of years since I researched this in depth, but that’s the impression I got from a canon lawyer.

Still, I’m going from old memories of things that didn’t directly deal with me, so I may be remembering incorrectly.
 
Can. 1091 §2 In the collateral line, [marriage] is invalid up to the fourth degree inclusive.
First cousins (i.e., common grandparent) are collateral in the fourth degree, so their marriage is prohibited unless dispensed by a bishop.

Can. 1091 §3 The impediment of consanguinity is not multiplied.
This means that having multiple common grandparents is treated the same as having only one common grandparent.
 
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Minerva:
Alan,

double first cousins are the result of a pair of sisters marrying a pair of brothers. Thus your cousin is both your cousin on your dad’s side and on your mom’s side.
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Taking this one step further, if a pair of identical twin sisters marries a pair of identical twin brothers, the cousins would legally be double cousins, but genetically they would be full brothers and sisters.

And I’m my own grandpaw… 😛

DaveBj
 
OF COURSE FIRST COUSINS CAN MARRY! Sheesh!

You can marry your niece or nephew if you want to, too. It’s only in the direct line that you can’t marry. (your parents, grandparents; your children and grandchildren, etc). In the first degree colateral (your siblings) even that is sometimes overlooked in the case of error (which is not exactly rare, given adoptions, early separation into foster homes, and a very mobile society). In the cases that have been discovered that I have witnessed, even those sent to Rome for investigation, have never been disolved or declared null and void.

Any good canonist will say, in the end, “If we demnad that such a thing be declared null and void, or disolved by the Holy Father, what do we do with our belief about a common set of parents created by God at the beginning?”

– Fr. L.
 
As an addendum, remember that Mary and Joseph were family. In my parish and community and family, there are many first cousins married to each other. The only reason it’s less common generally than it was in the past (in our part of the world but remember there’s a big world out there) is that people aren’t born, raised, and die in the same town. Now, everyone disperses at High School graduation.

Marriage within the family is seen by many – including myself – to be a much favored relationship. The couple is not comprised of two former strangers from diverse backgrounds. They have, in fact, the family bonds as well as the marital. These marraiges have a miniscule divorce rate.

But aside . . .

Massachusetts call to rectory: “If my Ex-husband and I get and anulment, does that mean our children are bastards?”
Answer: "Ma’am, I know your kids, and they’re little bastards no matter what you and your Ex decide to do.

New Hampshire call to rectory: “If my Ex-husband and I get an anulment, does that mean we’re not brother and sister anymore?”
JUST KIDDING!

– Fr. L.
 
I find it very odd for first cousins to even want to marry each other.
My mother is one of 16 children and my father is one of 6.
No, they aren’t Catholic. Only my sister and I (with our families)are the only ones Catholic.
Out of my group of 100+ first cousins, there is not one I would want to marry.
I love and adore them, just not marry any of them. :nope:
 
So, what does that mean?

Most people interact with lots of people everyday and don’t look at any of them as marriage material. Doesn’t mean they aren’t.

Until recently, and only in the Western World, most marriages are within the family.

As I said, there’s a whole world out there.

– Fr. L.
 
In the story of Isaac sending Jacob to his near relative Laban to find a wife, the story of Tobias looking for his wife, the expectation seemed to be that a man was obliged to marry his nearest female relative (not a sister, as the episode of Tamar indicates). I am sure they found ways around it, but clearly you were expected to marry within your tribe. It seems this was especially strict among the Levites. OT scholars, (name removed by moderator)ut?
 
Fr. JLT:
Massachusetts call to rectory: “If my Ex-husband and I get and anulment, does that mean our children are bastards?”
Answer: "Ma’am, I know your kids, and they’re little bastards no matter what you and your Ex decide to do.
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:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I’d bet a lot of people would love to use that line.
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