Doug Batchelor: His Catholic Church Attacks

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There is a guy I saw on the BET network. His name is Doug Batchelor, president of his show called Amazing Facts. In his show he preaches the bible using an 80 inch screen television. He has made me upset. If there are Catholics right now reading this, please give your feedback. I’ve watched other religious channels before but they never criticized other religions. This show brutally criticized the Catholic Church.

Let’s begin on what Mr. Batchelor preached:

Catholic Church Attack #1

Mr. Batchelor said he read the book Crossing the Threshold of Hope written by his Holiness John Paul II. In the book it says:"Confronted with the Pope, one must make a choice. The leader of the Catholic Church is defined by the faith as the Vicar of Jesus Christ (and is accepted as such by believers), The Pope is considered the man on the earth who represents the Son of God, who ‘takes the place’ of the second person of the omnipotent God of the Trinity. page 3

Mr. Batchelor stated this is blasphemy. He states “The Bible states that God is Holy, Holy and reverened is His Name.” He argued that the Pope is man and since he is man he is human. Human falls short in the Glory of God. He said that the pope shouldn’t even consider himself the 2nd of the trinity…

Catholic Church Attack #2

Mr Batchelor stated “Where in the Bible states that Sunday is the holy day of obligation?” He said “A long time ago Saturday was the holy day of obligation, it was a Catholic Tradition. Constantine wanted to satisfy the Romans so he made Sunday the holy day of obligation for the Romans because that day was assigned as the Sun God.” He continued saying that because of this the Catholic Church had two days of obligation. One day was Saturday which was Catholic Tradition to be the holy day of obligation. The 2nd day which was Sunday was made to make the Romans happy. So for many years we had 2 days of obligation and soon, Catholics broke away from tradition and assigned Sunday as the holy day of obligation. Mr. Batchelor said “Check this out, this is why Catholic Tradition falls short and that is why there is no scripture to back this up.”

Catholic Church Attack #3
Mr. Batchelor said that the Catholic Church was brutal in persecuting non-believers or didn’t believe in the Catholic way. If someone was caught preaching against the Church they would capture him, tie hiim up and let him dehydrate. So once the unbeliever became thirsty they would crack glass in a small towel and soak it in water and let him swallow it so that the glass will cut off his vocal cords so he can’t preach heresy. He continued saying that the Catholic Church would bury women alive who were unbelievers and execute children right in front of the parents face. He said it was a total of 50-70 million people executed. He quoted this on Popes V2, p.334
 
Catholic Church Attack #4

Mr. Batchelor compared to Jezebel who married Ahab and how it repeats the prophecy about the faith of the Catholic Church. He said when Jezebel married Ahab, she made Ahab a very bad ruler in killing people and encouraging false idolatry and relates to the Catholic Church in Revelation 17:18 “And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.” Mr. Batchelor said that the Catholic Church is the bride which points to the city of Rome as explained by John in revelation. He said “Woman represents church that compromised biblical truth; like in Jezebel’s situation.” He continued on sayingthat in Revelation13 and Revelation 17 how they compare. He said if you read the Bible you will see on those chapters about 7 beasts with 10 horns and on the other chapter you will see a woman sitting on a beast with 7 heads with horns. He pointed outthat the Catholic Church as compared to the Jezebel reading points this out. For example, describing Jezebel on what she dressed was in purple and in scarlet. Just like the bishops in Vatican City who are dressed in pruble and scarlet. Even Pope John Paul said this when he came to vist the U.S. he invited all protestants to come back to the mother and be united as one church. Using the term mother as the church, in Jezebel’s case, office and titles are unbiblical.

Email your feedback ASAP. Again Mr. Batchelor’s web site is amazingfacts.tv
 
Amazing Facts (Falsehoods) is a seventh day adventist front group. They will resist admitting their sda affiliation. Wonder why. Do NOT trust one thing they tell you. They doctor quotes. I have caught them and pointed it out, but they acknowledged it and refused to change the quote back. They leave out crucial parts of quotes using the elipse ie. the … They use anything but the catechism as authoritative sources. They find some “catholic” book and quote it as if it were dogma. They use every trick in the book to lie and deceive. Don’t believe a word they say.
 
Doug Batchelor is one of the biggest apologists for the Seventh Day Adventists.
 
I will give you one example. In 300 years the Spanish inquisition executed perhaps 3000 people. Compare that to the hundreds of thousands of Catholics brutally tortured and killed by good Bible believing Protestants (and don’t let the sda’s claim they are not Protestant, they are).
 
I have to go cook but I’ll try to make this short and direct.
  1. The Pope does not take the place of Christ and has never considered himself the second person of the Trinity. Doug is arguing against his own strawman. The Pope is the Vicar of Christ, and a servant.
  2. Sunday was stated in the Bible several times as the Lord’s Day. Constantine did not change the day to Sunday, that’s another lie they like to promote. Read Justin Martyr’s First Apology (written in the 2nd century). The Mass and Sunday is described in there.
  3. He probably got his examples out of Montanus and Foxe’s Book of Martyrs, since statistacally, that does not add up.
 
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cestusdei:
Amazing Facts (Falsehoods) is a seventh day adventist front group. They will resist admitting their sda affiliation. Wonder why. Do NOT trust one thing they tell you. They doctor quotes. I have caught them and pointed it out, but they acknowledged it and refused to change the quote back. They leave out crucial parts of quotes using the elipse ie. the … They use anything but the catechism as authoritative sources. They find some “catholic” book and quote it as if it were dogma. They use every trick in the book to lie and deceive. Don’t believe a word they say.
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I have their 2004 catelogue. They have a lot of material geared towards children; comics, story books, cassette tapes, magazines, bible cards.
 
People are falling from sound doctrine… For too many people, it’s much more exciting to believe slandar than the Truth. Many people hear this garbage and it scares them and they go along with it just in case it is true. They are easily swayed because they do not have a foundation in the Truth. This is extremely frustrating to us that people fall for these lies, because we all know who the father of lies is, and it ain’t the Prince of Peace.**Oh my Jesus, save us from the fires of Hell. Lead all souls to Heaven, especially those most in need of Thy mercy. **
 
I’ve seen Doug Batchelor on TV. Several times. He knows his way around the Bible, but I had an uneasy feeling – much as I would anyone who makes themselves appear to be a “lone cowboy” all-by-themselves Bible Teacher.

I would have had more respect if it was obviously identified that he was SDA and had invited people to attend their local SDA Church.

I’m signed up for RCIA / RCIC this year.
 
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cestusdei:
I will give you one example. In 300 years the Spanish inquisition executed perhaps 3000 people. Compare that to the hundreds of thousands of Catholics brutally tortured and killed by good Bible believing Protestants (and don’t let the sda’s claim they are not Protestant, they are).
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It’s doubtful that they are mainstream Protestant - the status of Mrs White is a sticking point, as is the SDA doctrine of soul-sleep; and some other points. The most one cam say, IMO, is that they are closer to Evangelical Protestantism than most cults.​

The late Walter Martin argued that they were Protestants with a few special points of their own; A. A. Hoekema argued they are a cult - I think Hoekema is right. ##
 
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cestusdei:
Amazing Facts (Falsehoods) is a seventh day adventist front group. They will resist admitting their sda affiliation. Wonder why. Do NOT trust one thing they tell you. They doctor quotes. I have caught them and pointed it out, but they acknowledged it and refused to change the quote back. They leave out crucial parts of quotes using the elipse ie. the … They use anything but the catechism as authoritative sources. They find some “catholic” book and quote it as if it were dogma. They use every trick in the book to lie and deceive. Don’t believe a word they say.
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The question is: if so - why ? An honest cause does not need to be propped up by lies - which is why Catholics should flee from falsehoods as from a plague. Lies are the devil’s children - let the devil look after them.​

 
James 1234,

The attacks by the likes of that Doug Batchlor are made from ignorance! These infantile attacks have been made for a long time. Don’t be too upset, just let them motivate you to learn some apologetics. Just let them drive you into the catechism and the Bible.

**I want to reccomend a book you can find on EWTN. It is by Karl Keating. An Apologist. It’s named Catholocism and Fundamentalism or the attack on “Romanism” by "Bible Christians. It cost $17.00. I just got it last week. It gives you many examples of the kind of attacks Protetants make and how to counter them. It is down to earth - not some book writen on a cloud. It will help you.🙂 **
 
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AmandaPS:
I have to go cook but I’ll try to make this short and direct.
  1. The Pope does not take the place of Christ and has never considered himself the second person of the Trinity. Doug is arguing against his own strawman. The Pope is the Vicar of Christ, and a servant.
  2. Sunday was stated in the Bible several times as the Lord’s Day. Constantine did not change the day to Sunday, that’s another lie they like to promote. Read Justin Martyr’s First Apology (written in the 2nd century). The Mass and Sunday is described in there.
  3. He probably got his examples out of Montanus and Foxe’s Book of Martyrs, since statistacally, that does not add up.
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I don’t have that book the Pope has written but in all fairness to Doug Batchelor if he wrote in his book that he is the 2nd omnipotent to the trinity, he is wrong. The Pope may deny it but if it shows that in his book word for word, then Doug Batchelor has an argument.
 
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James1234:
I don’t have that book the Pope has written but in all fairness to Doug Batchelor if he wrote in his book that he is the 2nd omnipotent to the trinity, he is wrong. The Pope may deny it but if it shows that in his book word for word, then Doug Batchelor has an argument.
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I have that book and I don’t recall any such thing being in there. Many people willfully misinterpret the Catholic view of the papacy as placing the pope on equal footing with Christ though, so it would not surprise me if Batchelor did the same thing. If it’s someone’s intention to bash the Catholic Church there are plenty of things that they can deliberately misinterpret in order to mislead people.

I imagine this is yet another case of an anti-Catholic railing against something that he hasn’t made an effort to understand or it’s a deliberate obfuscation of true Catholic doctrine. It’s tiresome how some folks will interpret words in the most damning way possible even if it means completely disregarding how they were intended by the speaker/writer.

In reading someone else’s words, one can either seek to learn the truth as the author understands it or one can simply seek to confirm their own prejudices. Books can have very different meanings depending on which approach the reader chooses. Fortunately, truth is truth and does not change just because someone chooses to disbelieve it.
 
Doug Batchelor is a Seventh-day Adventist and he’s not, per se, dishonest about this. He’s not very adept at grasping subtle points of theology, such as the idea that the Pope is a representative of Christ on Earth, not a ‘substitute Christ’. He probably COULD grasp such points but he is deeply and personally committed to his own beliefs and uninterested in giving other views a fair shake. He is evangelizing, not engaging in a dialogue. Especially not with Roman Catholics, for reasons which are outlned below.

His eschatology, as assembled by EG White, follows what is called the ‘historicist’ approach–the Book of Revelation and other eschatological passages of Scripture are being gradually unfolded as human history comes to a close. The Roman Catholic institution is the Whore of Babylon, the Papacy is the Antichrist. Note that SDA theology does NOT say that one cannot be saved if one is Roman Catholic, nor that any particular reigning Pope is personally the Antichrist. So far as the SDA are concerned, the late Mother Teresa and JPII both may have been/may be very holy people dedicated to Christ and partakers in salvation–but they have been deceived by a demonic institution.

Most sectarian Protestant historians would say that the estimates listed in this thread of those killed by the Catholic Inquisition are abysimally low: millions or possibly hundreds of millions killed are the kinds of numbers thrown about by the likes of such sources as Halley’s Handbook to the Bible (see older editions with the anti-Catholic account of church history); EG White’s ‘Conflict of the Ages’ series; or Foxe’s Book of Martyrs. These selfsame sources ascribe only dozens or perhaps hundreds of Catholics killed in Protestant nations. I’m not favoring either set of numbers, just pointing out what folks such as Batchelor. And you won’t refute his assumptions easily since he already assumes that anyone associated in any way with Roman Catholicism is likely to be in some way ‘demonised’ and so thoroughly deluded as to be dismissed out of hand.

The style of evangelizing used by Batchelor is rather outmoded by Evangelical Protestant standards. Prior to the 1970’s or so, sectarian Protestants often acted as if theirs was the only denomination and that no view but their own deserved a fair hearing, or usually even a casual mention. As Protestants became more aware of each other, this became an untenable way to act–‘cafeteria Protestantism’ emerged as a widespread phenomenom. Most Evangelicals now will at least give a respectful ‘not’ to other views acceptable ‘within the pale of orthodoxy’. For some reason, the SDA have never changed as much as Evangelicals in this respect. BTW, the Three Angels Broadcasting Network, which is probably where you saw Batchelor, is the SDA equivalent of EWTN. And, like EWTN, it presents mainly the most conservative viewpoints of the denomination.
 
: will give you one example. In 300 years the Spanish inquisition executed perhaps 3000 people. Compare that to the hundreds of thousands of Catholics brutally tortured and killed by good Bible believing Protestants :

That’s sheer nonsense. why are you substituting your own inflated mythology for that of Mr. Batchelor? The Spanish Inquisition’s persecutions were only part (and by no means the most vicious or deadly part) of Catholic persecution of Protestants (generally, civil governments were far more brutal and ruthless than the Inquisition). But more to the point, there is no evidence whethever that “hundreds of thousands of Catholics” were tortured and killed by Protestants. A few hundred Catholics were killed in Elizabethan England, and probably the number executed by other Protestant governments would be far lower–indeed, there are almost no instances of Catholics being judicially executed for religious reasons elsewhere than in England (I think two Catholics were executed in Scotland). Most Catholics were killed in mob violence, and they may run into the hundreds throughout Europe. But in that case you have to count the thousands of Protestants killed in Catholic mob violence. The only way you can get anything like equal numbers on both sides is to count the people killed in religious wars.l

In Christ,

Edwin
 
Doug Bachelor’s attacks are but same old lies and lousy attacks against the Catholic Church. There’s nothing new about it. They just “copy paste” their arguments. We shouldn’t mind these kind of preachers who doesn’t teach the Gospel purely, but always associates them with attacks against the holy Catholic Church.

Pio
 
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James1234:
I don’t have that book the Pope has written but in all fairness to Doug Batchelor if he wrote in his book that he is the 2nd omnipotent to the trinity, he is wrong. The Pope may deny it but if it shows that in his book word for word, then Doug Batchelor has an argument.
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The Pope calls himself the servant of the servants of Christ. It would be utterly strange then for the Pope to describe himself as Christ’s equal.

Gerry
 
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cestusdei:
Amazing Facts (Falsehoods) is a seventh day adventist front group. They will resist admitting their sda affiliation. Wonder why. Do NOT trust one thing they tell you. They doctor quotes. I have caught them and pointed it out, but they acknowledged it and refused to change the quote back. They leave out crucial parts of quotes using the elipse ie. the … They use anything but the catechism as authoritative sources. They find some “catholic” book and quote it as if it were dogma. They use every trick in the book to lie and deceive. Don’t believe a word they say.
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Cults and sects never admit that they are such. They often never admit their true affiliations, unless caught “red-handed” as they say. This is why Catholics must be wary when they hear strange/doubtful teachings being spread in the media and in the schools.

Gerry
 
If the Pope had written that he was the 2nd person of the Holy Trinity, do you really think people like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson would not have already held press-conferences on the issue? Doug Batchelor would have been one small, barely audible voice amid the uproar.

Ahimsa
 
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