Dove Ad

[SeekerJen]

Am I the only one here who thinks that the woman prior to the transformation was more beautiful. Her face had expression and afterwards she just looked haughty and unreal.
I never wear make up myself, and I am the only woman in my hairdressers with my own God-given eyebrows!
I just don’t understand covering up the lovely face we were given.
Wouldn’t it be lovely to make our inside so perfect?

I think there’s a difference between downplaying flaws and covering up natural beauty. I’m not ashamed to say that I pluck my eyebrows. If left in their natural state, they would be quite distracting and not in a good way. I also have no qualms about wearing concealer over blemishes or a little eye makeup to make me look less tired. The key is that when I’m done putting on the makeup, I still look like me.

And I agree, the woman was more beautiful before all the CGI and the heavy-duty makeup. Glamor doesn’t necessarily mean beauty.

 

[CarolAnnSFO]

Am I the only one here who thinks that the woman prior to the transformation was more beautiful. Her face had expression and afterwards she just looked haughty and unreal.
I never wear make up myself, and I am the only woman in my hairdressers with my own God-given eyebrows!
I just don’t understand covering up the lovely face we were given.
Wouldn’t it be lovely to make our inside so perfect?

You’re not the only one! I agree with you. I would not fit anyone’s definition of a raving beauty, but I feel if my face au naturel is good enough for God, then it should be good enough for mere mortals. Mens’ natural faces are apparently good enough to be seen without artificial enhancements, why not womens’? (I’m referring to “regular” people here; I imagine male models have just as much paint on their faces as female models).

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[Feanaro_s_Wife]

Here is another ad from the same series, making a simialr point – women are trained from very early to be dissatisfied with how they look.
Conversely, men are taught an unrealistic standard of female “beauty”.

PS: another one called Daughters which I haven’t watched.

I’ve seen that first one on tv and it always makes me cry. I have struggled with my body image all of my life (well, since puberty) and it breaks my heart to see little girls feeling that way. It is starting younger and younger now too.

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** And now that I have a daughter of my own I am really worried for her. I pray that me and her dad can balance out all of the media images and negative comments by peers so she can grow up loving herself and knowing that God loves her.**

Malia

 

[Feanaro_s_Wife]

My body isn’t perfect too, but I don’t mind looking at posters of bodybuilders. Teach those poor girls and women to respect themselves for who the are, tell them God loves them regardless of how they look, but please stop bashing something for being too perfect, it doesn’t make sense. My criteria of beauty are far from being based on topmodels or anorexic actresses, but I can still appreciate good-looking (even if computer-created) picture.

Give me a break! Bashing something for being “too perfect”??? I don’t know what your idea of perfection is, but mine is definitely not some computer generated character. That is like saying that none of us is “perfect” unless we have a barbie doll’s figure (another unattainable goal for our daughters).

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Maybe you don’t mind looking at posters of bodybuilders, but some young boys are now struggling just as much as young girls because men are now being portrayed (although much much less that women) in an unattainable way.

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You can tell a young girl all you want that God loves her and that she is perfect, but that can’t totally block out what she sees in the media and hears from her peers. This is a sad sad world…

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Malia

 

[scapularkid8]

This is interesting because it’s actually hard for guys sometimes too that if we’re not a Brad Pitt than we aren’t good enough! I don’t think that most younger boys worry about it, but I notice now that I’m entering my late teens, I feel pressured to try and make myself look more and more “model-esque” as the years progress. Even on the sitcoms all the sons are star athletes who are the most popular and most intelligent and it’s pressuring us to live up to that stereotype.

 

[antimon]

I still don’t understand why computer enhancing pictures is bad. Even if you banned such thing, there will always be someone “more beautiful” or “more successful” or “more …”. So please stop focusing on other people and try to find your own way.

 

[thechrismyster]

while the ad has a feel good aspect, they (these 'truth" commercials) work and were created specifically to be in a world that had so many portrayals of what ‘beautiful’ women look like. and while i’m not being sinister, i’ve dealt with madison ave. advertising people long enough that the ad really is marketed to the ‘not attractive’ people with the intent to SHOW THEM that ‘by using Dove products’… they too can not be this ugly duckling… perhaps by using dove products, as it’s assumed in the commercial, they (the average jane consumer) can look like this ‘beautiful’ woman. (please take notice that ONLY the ‘made up’ woman was worthy enough to be on a billboard - the ‘finished’ product was the made up one, wind blowing her hair… textbook example of pop glam. The woman who was plain needed to get ‘made up’ in order to be on a billboard, to STAND OUT…so in essence, this commercial uses pop culture reference to reinforce pop culture ideals - when these companies pay $10,000 a second in production for commercials like this, EVERY thing you see is thought out to the slightest detail) SO, what i’m saying is that these ads, in the long run, reinforce the notion that a woman needs SO MUCH work to be considered ‘beautiful’, that one of the ways to do so is by using dove products.

plus, having this ad appear on forums like this is an advertisers DREAM. when you have the common consumer going out of their way to watch your commercial… on their own time, by their own prompting… you’ve just earned your pay as a creative director in the ad world.

i’ve just said the word ‘dove’ 10 times. next time you shop, ladies, see which palmade and gels and products stick out to you. you’ll remember ‘dove’ and that is the goal of the commercial. not making you feel warm and fuzzy, but getting you to use their product.

 

[thechrismyster]

You’re not the only one! I agree with you. I would not fit anyone’s definition of a raving beauty, but I feel if my face au naturel is good enough for God, then it should be good enough for mere mortals. Mens’ natural faces are apparently good enough to be seen without artificial enhancements, why not womens’? (I’m referring to “regular” people here; I imagine male models have just as much paint on their faces as female models).

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****Carrier of the Angelic Sparkles Sprinkle Bag
**Pace e Bene

except for our wedding day, i’ve never seen my wife wear makeup. when she walked down the aisle the first thing i wanted to do (besides kissing her) was to get a wet napkin and get the goop off her face.

she wears burts bee’s lip gloss at times… but maybe six times a year for black tie events. but otherwise, au natural!

 

[stellina]

Give me a break! Bashing something for being “too perfect”??? I don’t know what your idea of perfection is, but mine is definitely not some computer generated character. That is like saying that none of us is “perfect” unless we have a barbie doll’s figure (another unattainable goal for our daughters).

Maybe you don’t mind looking at posters of bodybuilders, but some young boys are now struggling just as much as young girls because men are now being portrayed (although much much less that women) in an unattainable way.

You can tell a young girl all you want that God loves her and that she is perfect, but that can’t totally block out what she sees in the media and hears from her peers. This is a sad sad world…

Malia

Good point. I used to work in a very high-class department store and they brought in models on a regular basis for the trunk shows. Their job was to wear a certain designer’s clothes & walk around the store, and we clerks were always pressed into service to help them get ready. After seeing many of them up close, both men and women (and I saw the women in the fitting rooms, so that was really “up close”), I can say that although they were physically attractive people, they still looked like real people, albeit with makeup and hairdos. Their skin wasn’t absolutely flawless like the computer-altered image in the Dove ad. The women had absolutely awful-looking feet from all those years of wearing high heels, which is something you wouldn’t notice. In fact, the only thing that really separated them from the rest of us “ugly ducklings” was that they were extremely tall and thin.

While Dove is still using this “campaign for real beauty” to sell their stuff, even indirectly, I have to give them credit for trying to present a realistic image of women.

 

[stellina]

I think there’s a difference between downplaying flaws and covering up natural beauty. I’m not ashamed to say that I pluck my eyebrows. If left in their natural state, they would be quite distracting and not in a good way. I also have no qualms about wearing concealer over blemishes or a little eye makeup to make me look less tired. The key is that when I’m done putting on the makeup, I still look like me.

And I agree, the woman was more beautiful before all the CGI and the heavy-duty makeup. Glamor doesn’t necessarily mean beauty.

I agree 100%! A little powder & paint isn’t enough to turn you into a plastic doll. And the model was just fine the way she was.

 

[Scottgun]

I think there is some confusion here that is generating controversy where there should not be. On the one hand, yes we should be disturbed that there is manipulation going on and yes, we should condemn any proposition that suggests that anyone who has less-than-perfect physical beauty is less of a person or less worthy of our attention.

But let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Just as there is intrinsic Truth and intrinsic Goodness, so there is intrinsic Beauty and to deny this is to fall into heretical relativism.

Scott

 

[Jennifer_J]

while the ad has a feel good aspect, they (these 'truth" commercials) work and were created specifically to be in a world that had so many portrayals of what ‘beautiful’ women look like. and while i’m not being sinister, i’ve dealt with madison ave. advertising people long enough that the ad really is marketed to the ‘not attractive’ people with the intent to SHOW THEM that ‘by using Dove products’… they too can not be this ugly duckling… perhaps by using dove products, as it’s assumed in the commercial, they (the average jane consumer) can look like this ‘beautiful’ woman. (please take notice that ONLY the ‘made up’ woman was worthy enough to be on a billboard - the ‘finished’ product was the made up one, wind blowing her hair… textbook example of pop glam. The woman who was plain needed to get ‘made up’ in order to be on a billboard, to STAND OUT…so in essence, this commercial uses pop culture reference to reinforce pop culture ideals - when these companies pay $10,000 a second in production for commercials like this, EVERY thing you see is thought out to the slightest detail) SO, what i’m saying is that these ads, in the long run, reinforce the notion that a woman needs SO MUCH work to be considered ‘beautiful’, that one of the ways to do so is by using dove products.

plus, having this ad appear on forums like this is an advertisers DREAM. when you have the common consumer going out of their way to watch your commercial… on their own time, by their own prompting… you’ve just earned your pay as a creative director in the ad world.

i’ve just said the word ‘dove’ 10 times. next time you shop, ladies, see which palmade and gels and products stick out to you. you’ll remember ‘dove’ and that is the goal of the commercial. not making you feel warm and fuzzy, but getting you to use their product.

Dove doesn’t make makeup, they make skin cleansers, deoderant and hair products. I didn’t think of Dove while watching the videos, I thought about how sad it was that we no longer know what true beauty is.

Maybe check out their website about the project. campaignforrealbeauty.com/ Seems worthwhile to me and not about selling beauty or products. Infact the ad was saying the images you see in ads aren’t real!! That beauty isn’t about all the fakery. That true beauty isn’t in a magazine. The woman who was photographed didn’t make it to the billboard, something else did. Our young girls are the ones at risk–they must realize that media can be manipulated and manipulative.

Jennifer

 

[OldAgeGuru]

Seeker Jen, I wax my brows, armpits and bikini line! Don’t feel bad, I don’t spend a lot of money on beauty stuff… although my boyfriend hates when I go into Sephora he says it’s like a Muslims trip to Mecca, I have to walk around the store clockwise 5 times while “worshiping” the gods of Stila, Benefit, Philosophy, and Mac. He says my repeated chanting of “This smells good” “OOOHHHH I like this color” and " I wonder if this really works" are hilarious. He also likes to play a game while in there. He calls it Count the number of ticked off husbands and boyfriends.

I like the Dove ads, I’m hardly a model, but I’m cute, and I have days where I just don’t feel like I’ll ever live up to looking like Heidi Klum. Not the least of which , is that she’s got like a foot on me heightwise

 

[CarolAnnSFO]

I like the Dove ads, I’m hardly a model, but I’m cute, and I have days where I just don’t feel like I’ll ever live up to looking like Heidi Klum. Not the least of which , is that she’s got like a foot on me heightwise

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Don’t worry; even Heidi, as lovely as she is, probably has plenty of little imperfections, as do all humans. Even the most beautiful models spend hours with the makeup and hair artists, and then get airbrushed anyway.

Scottgun:

But let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Just as there is intrinsic Truth and intrinsic Goodness, so there is intrinsic Beauty and to deny this is to fall into heretical relativism.

“Heretical relativism”? I hardly think so. Beauty is culturally determined. The standard of beauty differs from one country to another, and from one time to another. The women that used to be considered beautiful 50 years ago are now considered fat.

Compare a picture of a great beauty from 100 years ago to one of today’s great beauties – the look is very different.

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Pace e Bene

 

[Scottgun]

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“Heretical relativism”? I hardly think so. Beauty is culturally determined. The standard of beauty differs from one country to another, and from one time to another. The women that used to be considered beautiful 50 years ago are now considered fat.

Compare a picture of a great beauty from 100 years ago to one of today’s great beauties – the look is very different.

Yes. Heretical relativism. Yes, there are differences in what is considered beautiful from culture to culture or age to age, but nothing that amounts to total difference. Good skin and a pleasing countenance are common to all cultures and ages regarding beauty. Hold up a picture of the most beautiful woman you can find from Zaire and one of the most beautiful from Nebraska and we might express a preference for one or the other, but we will admit that they are both beautiful. Hence there is such a thing as intrinsic beauty.

 

[OldAgeGuru]

I still want botox in my armpits though… ahhhhh friviolity I miss you!

 

[thechrismyster]

Dove doesn’t make makeup, they make skin cleansers, deoderant and hair products. I didn’t think of Dove while watching the videos, I thought about how sad it was that we no longer know what true beauty is.

Maybe check out their website about the project. campaignforrealbeauty.com/ Seems worthwhile to me and not about selling beauty or products. Infact the ad was saying the images you see in ads aren’t real!! That beauty isn’t about all the fakery. That true beauty isn’t in a magazine. The woman who was photographed didn’t make it to the billboard, something else did. Our young girls are the ones at risk–they must realize that media can be manipulated and manipulative.

Jennifer

and might i add, what is the net result? you’ve just given free advertising for dove. promoted their website and reinforced the ‘message’ of true beauty in one fowl swoop. exactly what their test markets said would happen.

the world is a stage, and we are all players. and the marketers are the unseen directors.

thats marketing at it’s finest.

 

[Jennifer_J]

and might i add, what is the net result? you’ve just given free advertising for dove. promoted their website and reinforced the ‘message’ of true beauty in one fowl swoop. exactly what their test markets said would happen.

the world is a stage, and we are all players. and the marketers are the unseen directors.

thats marketing at it’s finest.

whatever… I don’t even have tv reception in my home…

Jennifer