Dr. Charles Stanley exclaimed: Purgatory is false!

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This morning I was flipping through the channels and came across De. Charles Stanley (Baptist minister) who was saying the Catholic doctrine of Purgatory is false. More important,what caught my attention is when he stated,the doctrine makes Christ death on the cross null or that it was not enough? WRONG!

It never shocks me to hear Protestants totally misunderstand the doctrine and one of the biggest reason is due to their interpretation of salvation.
 
Nicea325 said:
This morning I was flipping through the channels and came across De. Charles Stanley (Baptist minister) who was saying the Catholic doctrine of Purgatory is false. More important,what caught my attention is when he stated,the doctrine makes Christ death on the cross null or that it was not enough? WRONG!

It never shocks me to hear Protestants totally misunderstand the doctrine and one of the biggest reason is due to their interpretation of salvation.
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When he sees, he shall believe 😃
 
Dispensationalist. He’s evoking rapture while condemning all us to the evil world?
 
Dr. Stanley is a Southern Baptist. If he didn’t reject Purgatory, he’d be the only one… so I don’t see how anyone can be surprised.
 
Is purgatory a form of being punished for the sins remaining after death, a form of purifying with fire? I guess I’m not clear on how the purification process works in this church doctrine.
 
berk60 said:
Is purgatory a form of being punished for the sins remaining after death, a form of purifying with fire? I guess I’m not clear on how the purification process works in this church doctrine.
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It’s a purification process before entering heaven, because only those that are clean can enter into heaven. Not all will need to go through purgatory, but I think it’s a safe guess that most will.
 
bzkoss236 said:
It’s a purification process before entering heaven, because only those that are clean can enter into heaven. Not all will need to go through purgatory, but I think it’s a safe guess that most will.
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I understand what you are saying but what does this purification process consist of? The Bible says the wages of sin is death-I would assume the second death since we all die physically.
So is this purification process just separation from God for a spell or some form of punishment with fire as the rich man experienced as Jesus told of Lazarus And the rich man in Hades?
 
I have listened to him some, but since he isn’t a Catholic, take his stuff with a grain of salt. The one I like listening to most is Ravi Zacharias. I’m currently working my way through his book, “The End of Reason.” It’s his response to an atheist. Well, an atheist writing anyway.
 
Jesus died on the cross and took ALL our sin once and for all. All our sin debt was paid in full at the cross or it was NOT. Purgatory is; the denial of the truth that the death of Jesus on the cross paid our sin debt in full. It is a false teaching.
Why is it not in the Nicene creed three hundred years after Christ’s death ? Why did purgatory come to [light] 1,000 years after Christ’ s death ?
Christ was the FINAL sacrifice for our forgiveness , not a first step then to purgatory. [how futile that is].
 
below is a snippet from a short article on Purgatory from Catholic.com…what great resources we have right at the click of a mouse!!

The Argument for Purgatory

I would like to thank Jimmy Akin for introducing me to the logical argument for purgatory; it can be formulated as follows:

Premise 1: There will be neither sin nor attachment to sin in Heaven.

Premise 2: We (at least most of us) are still sinning and are attached to sin at the end of this life.

Conclusion: Therefore there must be a period between death and heavenly glory in which the saved are cleansed of sin and their attachment to sin.

Because this is a deductive argument, if one wants to dispute the conclusion, he must take issue with one of the premises, since the conclusion follows from them necessarily.

So which is it?
 
Purgatory does not exist in scripture or in tradition prior to the middle ages. The doctrine is false. I’m not going to lose any sleep over people believing in it and i hope you don’t lose any sleep over me not believing it. What I find perplexing is a Southern Baptist making a big deal out of it.
 
1 John 1:9
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

1 John 2:1
My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.

The problem created by premises 1 and 2 are answered by the advocacy of Christ
 
hotdiggity said:
below is a snippet from a short article on Purgatory from Catholic.com…what great resources we have right at the click of a mouse!!

The Argument for Purgatory

I would like to thank Jimmy Akin for introducing me to the logical argument for purgatory; it can be formulated as follows:

Premise 1: There will be neither sin nor attachment to sin in Heaven.

Premise 2: We (at least most of us) are still sinning and are attached to sin at the end of this life.

Conclusion: Therefore there must be a period between death and heavenly glory in which the saved are cleansed of sin and their attachment to sin.

Because this is a deductive argument, if one wants to dispute the conclusion, he must take issue with one of the premises, since the conclusion follows from them necessarily.

So which is it?
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1 John 1:9
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

1 John 2:1
My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.

The problem created by premises 1 and 2 are answered by the advocacy of Christ
 
East_Anglican said:
1 John 1:9
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

1 John 2:1
My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.

The problem created by premises 1 and 2 are answered by the advocacy of Christ
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Praise God for your faithfulness to His word. Here’s more from the word of God;

Romans 8
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,[a] who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2*For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death
 
East_Anglican said:
The problem created by premises 1 and 2 are answered by the advocacy of Christ
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Who comes to judge the living and the dead…Christ Crucified. By the Blood of the Cross mankind who was hostage of evil and was redeemed. We have one small issue according to John since sin and man seems to be relevant. We must also agree the paradox of salvation is we are sinners who must strive not to sin. And through this cooperation in our own salvation we are indeed saved. How do we cooperate exactly according to John? :confused:
 
JustaServant said:
JustaServant exclaimed: Charles Stanley is false!
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hello this is what Dr.stanley said

READ | 2 Corinthians 5:1-9

A great many people believe falsely in purgatory—a miserable place where people supposedly go after death. In order to advance to heaven, a person supposedly must either suffer long enough to make restitution for his or her sins or be prayed out by loved ones still living. The doctrine is an unbiblical lie, because purgatory is a thinly veiled second chance for people to get into heaven.

There is not a single verse with which to defend the false theology of purgatory. In fact, the very idea of a second route to heaven runs counter to God’s redemptive plan. Jesus Christ was the substitute for you and me, and His death paid our sin-debt. He obtained our eternal redemption with His blood (Heb. 9:12). If there is a place where people can go to suffer for their own sins—in other words, pay their own penalty—then God sending His Son to die makes no sense.

In John 14:2, Jesus told the disciples that He was going away to prepare a place for His followers. Nowhere in scripture do we find any mention of a detour into misery where we “earn” a pass into heaven. The Bible says that believers are either at home in the body, or absent from it and present with the Lord. There is simply no in-between stopover.

I respect the right to believe as one chooses. However, I have a responsibility to present biblical truth. Those who reject Christ get no second chance after death. They are eternally separated from God. But whoever receives salvation is completely forgiven of all sin and guaranteed an eternity with Him.
 
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