Dr. James White?

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Christ's friend:
. . . he uses the whole Bible in context not singel verses. (e.g. “hail full of grace” and “you will be blessed” and you get imaculately concieved when bible preaches if you say you have no sin the truth is not in you.)
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Dear Christ’s friend,

I entirely agree with you, that it is important to “use quotes from ] the Bible in context.” But the problem is that such a statement is easier to make than to carry out in practice.

Would you be willing to read the any of the following books and articles and comment on whether or not the Catholic author seems to have a grip on this all-important approach to Scripture? I think it would be awesome to have a discussion centered around whether or not White can “keep up” with a solid Catholic Scripture scholar and theologian of the likes of the late Fr. William Most.

The Thought of St. Paul: Commentary on the Pauline Epistles

A Biblical Theology of Redemption in a Covenant Framework

Messianic Prophecies Lectures

Grace, Predestination and the Salvific Will of God: New Answers to Old Questions

Bible (Canon)

Which Church Saves?

Cooperation in Redemption

Catholic Apologetics Today: Answers to Modern Critics

“Saved” (in Scripture)

Now, beyond the writings of an individual Scripture scholar like Fr. Most, we can and should ask, “how are Scripture verses officially interpreted by the Catholic Church across the centuries, and does it do so ‘in context?’”

Here is a further challenge to you, and one more important really than a discussion over Most’s writings. Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church ( printed copy ), beginning with paragraph #1, from front to back. And every time you come across a footnote, look at the bottom of the page to see to what it refers. You will note that there are literally thousands of footnotes which in essence illustrate how the Church officially “quotes from the Bible” and how it authentically interprets those passages. If you read 8 paragraphs per day, you will read the entire Catechism in just under one year (358 days). After doing so, my “prophecy” is that you will have more or less adopted a Catholic understanding of the Scriptures.

You see, James White may have a keen intellect, sharp memory and fine skill at speaking and writing. But I contend that he and other scholars and Bible experts outside of the Church are operating in a vacuum, separated from the Apostolic understanding of God’s revelation and from the living exercise of Jesus’ own authority by the Church, which is guided infallibly by the Holy Spirit in its interpretation of the Word.

After carefully soaking up and meditating upon the Church’s interpretations, I am sure you will find White’s to be hollow and shallow in many, many ways. Though that’s not to say he hasn’t written or spoken anything worthwhile, perhaps even wonderful, as regards Scripture and the salvation that Christ won for us by His Cross.

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Christ's friend:
. . . he uses the whole Bible in context not singel verses. (e.g. “hail full of grace” and “you will be blessed” and you get imaculately concieved when bible preaches if you say you have no sin the truth is not in you.)
JMJ + OBT​
Dear Christ’s friend,

I entirely agree with you, that it is important to “use quotes from ] the Bible in context.” But the problem is that such a statement is easier to make than to carry out in practice.

Would you be willing to read any of the following books and articles and comment on whether or not the Catholic author seems to have a grip on this all-important approach to Scripture? I think it would be awesome to have a discussion centered around whether or not White can “keep up” with a solid Catholic Scripture scholar and theologian of the likes of the late Fr. William Most.

The Thought of St. Paul: Commentary on the Pauline Epistles

A Biblical Theology of Redemption in a Covenant Framework

Messianic Prophecies Lectures

Grace, Predestination and the Salvific Will of God: New Answers to Old Questions

Bible (Canon)

Which Church Saves?

Cooperation in Redemption

Catholic Apologetics Today: Answers to Modern Critics

“Saved” (in Scripture)

Now, beyond the writings of an individual Scripture scholar like Fr. Most, we can and should ask, “how are Scripture verses officially interpreted by the Catholic Church across the centuries, and does it do so ‘in context?’”

Here is a further challenge to you, and one more important really than a discussion over Most’s writings. Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church ( printed copy ), beginning with paragraph #1, from front to back. And every time you come across a footnote, look at the bottom of the page to see to what it refers. You will note that there are literally thousands of footnotes which in essence illustrate how the Church officially “quotes from the Bible” and how it authentically interprets those passages. If you read 8 paragraphs per day, you will read the entire Catechism in just under one year (358 days). After doing so, my “prophecy” is that you will have more or less adopted a Catholic understanding of the Scriptures.

You see, James White may have a keen intellect, sharp memory and fine skill at speaking and writing. But I contend that he and other scholars and Bible experts outside of the Church are operating in a vacuum, separated from the Apostolic understanding of God’s revelation and from the living exercise of Jesus’ own authority by the Church, which is guided infallibly by the Holy Spirit in its interpretation of the Word.

After carefully soaking up and meditating upon the Church’s interpretations, I am sure you will find White’s to be hollow and shallow in many, many ways. Though that’s not to say he hasn’t written or spoken anything worthwhile, perhaps even wonderful, as regards Scripture and the salvation that Christ won for us by His Cross.

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Something else I really should share – there is a feasible short-cut to verifying the authority of the Church with regards to Scripture and to embracing the Catholic Faith:

(1) Go to the nearest Catholic Church where Our Lord (yours and mine) Jesus is present in the Blessed Sacrament, either reserved in the tabernacle or exposed in a monstrance.

(2) Ask Him to reveal to you definitively, according to His own Will and Providence and in the manner of His choosing (not yours), that He is either (a) not bodily present, hidden under the appearance of a piece of bread or (b) that He is truly bodily present and that you should worship Him as such on your knees.

Jesus won’t let you down, He will let you know that He really is present there and in the manner that the Catholic Church teaches. I have absolute, unshakeable confidence in this matter.

If you’re really seeking out God in your life and seeking Jesus as He is present and active in His creation and among His people, then you will not delay long in considering this invitation.

Remember though, it must be done in sincerity and with a clean heart. Take a friend with you, or two or five or ten, Catholics or “non” or “ex” or whatever, as long as they too proceed with sincere, open, searching and clean hearts.

In the Hearts of Jesus and Mary.

IC XC NIKA
 
This is just amazing. I can not believe you actually believe this junk. Now I know why you believe so strongly that word of man is some how supreme to the word of God. Amazing where you base your beliefs and principles. Good luck with all your traditions. Soon maybe you will even traditionalize Christ out of the Gospel fully because already you have added Mary as co-redeemer. How much farther will ignorant men try to overpower God’s word?
You know what? I’d like to offer apology for my posts fussing at you Catholics for being so defensive. I take it all back. It never happened. I’m not even Catholic and this is just making me nauseated. :mad: (we need a puking emoticon) 😛
 
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Curious:
. . . we need a puking emoticon
JMJ + OBT​

Here’s one:



Have fun . . .
 
TNT said:
So was ARIUS (320ad) “amazing man of God”. And, he converted a lot more people than White. Unlike White, I think he also was able to KEEP IS OWN SISTER FROM CONVERTING INTO THE TRUE CHURCH…sheesh…amazing, yea., whatever.

And apparently she gave him a year to try. He flunked. And so does his theology. smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/3/3_3_12v.gif

But he occasionally serves a purpose… seeing his false teachings will help bring the fullness of the Deposit of Faith in the Catholic Church into the light.
 
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Curious:
hehe thanks but I dunno how to get to it or I would.
JMJ + OBT​

Click on the “quote” button at the bottom right of my post, and then copy and paste from there . . .
 
We have to pray for Dr. James White for the scales to be removed from his eyes so he can see the truth of the Catholic faith. Yes, he has bad mouthed our faith but we shouldn’t strike back. That doesn’t get us anywhere.

Dr. James White’s sister, Patty Bonds, even became Catholic and she can’t even convince her brother about the fullness of faith. You can read her conversion story in “Surprised By Truth 3” by Patrick Madrid. It is an excellent story to read.

So keep on praying and one day, hopefully in this lifetime he will change his ways, but if not in this lifetime he will learn about the Catholic faith in the next. 😉

God Bless,
Gail
 
As this thread has wandered off topic it is now closed.
Thanks to all who participated.

The member “Christ’s friend” was suspended due to his behavior under another username.

Gail and others expressed methods appropriate for dealing with those who refuse to seek the truth with charity and reason.
 
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